BTW I will be at the amtuer AKC nationals in Iowa in oct if you wish to see the real deal on hunting dogs.
I see the real deal every day when I train. I also know that taking a dog that has not been collar conditioned and burning the heck out of it is abuse.
* (Swinging club) Whack! whack! whack! *
Nope, the old nag's still dead .