An E-Collar is a correction tool not a training tool.
The method I posted is how the real pros train snake avoidance. It works for cats or anything you do not want the dog to run. That is the only way I use an e collar. I use other methods to train my dogs like the way we did it before e collars.
Dont belive me? try www.gundogforum.com
search out snake avoidance etc.
BTW I will be at the amtuer AKC nationals in Iowa in oct if you wish to see the real deal on hunting dogs.