Yes. Those are the ones.
To add to my earlier post; I understand
IPSC fell from favor with some because too
many shooters became too gear oriented.
With IDPA the concept was supposed to be
shoot what you carry. I know a lot of the
guys who shoot Gov models and Glocks don't
carry them..or at least they carry a smaller
varient. I'm convinced the competition
is impacting gear/gun choices where I shoot.