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Old January 10, 2009, 01:00 PM   #42
BuckHammer
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Originally Posted by David Armsrtong
If the terrorist has killed 20 people was the attack stopped? As raimus put it, "In responding to an attack in progress, the best you can do is mitigate the damage." It's like trying to say that after losing control of your vehicle and hitting two cars, since you were able to get on the brakes and not go over a cliff you stopped the accident.
Alright, I said the attack has stopped, not was stopped. If you lose control of your vehicle, hit two cars, then come to a stop, the accident has stopped, but it was not stopped.

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Originally Posted by David Armstrong
...you need to clarify why you can't understand "killing terrorsist does not stop terrorist attacks".
I, in fact, did clarify that I did understand that part. Go back and read it. I understand your position and agree on that point. Terrorists are going to attack no matter what. It's just a matter of setting the level of difficulty.

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Originally Posted by David Armstrong
Perhaps. I don't see how the difference between
"carrying guns" and CCW is splitting hairs, given the strong push for open carry in many states.
Current carrying in America WAS mentioned, and the primary method of carry in America is CCW. Talking about the difference in current carry is splitting hairs.

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Originally Posted by David Armstrong
I'm saying that shooting a terrorist who has already started his attack does not stop terrorist attacks.
I agree, but that does not mean that we should say, "Aw, hell, the attack wasn't stopped, so we might as well let it run its course." In fear of them adjusting to victims who are carrying, which it seems is implied here:
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Originally Posted by David Armstrong
Even if you manage to thwart an act you simply give the terrorists better information on how to attack you next time.
I believe you are trying to say that if you kill a terrorist in progress, he will resort to other methods of killing (sarine, etc.). But don't you still believe that a terrorist act in progress should be stopped (see my first comment on this post for what I mean by "stopped")? I believe that you agree with me in that they should be stopped, but are just saying that if/when they are stopped, other means will be employed, so therefore terrorist attacks will continue to happen. Therefore, arming the citizenry will not stop terrorism. I get that. I have gotten that for a while. But you have yet to say anything like, "Yes, I believe that if a terrorist attack is in progress, someone ought to attack the terrorist." That's all I've asked for for a while. So, I'm going to pose you the question, David, and I just want a simple yes or no:

Do you believe that a terrorist who is commencing an attack should be attacked?

If yes, then we are in complete agreement, since I have never said anywhere in this thread that an armed populous will end terrorism (see in this post where I say what I mean by "stopped"). If no, then we are not in agreement.

From the OP:
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Originally Posted by CDRogers
There's no way the mass murder that took place in Mumbai a few weeks ago could have happened if the average Indian citizen carried a weapon.
He's saying that there's no way that attack could have happened if the populous was armed. You say that it would have happened, but possibly not via guns and grenades. I agree that it would have happened, but the severity might not have been the same. CDRogers posted this question (which is the topic of the post):
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Originally Posted by CDRogers
But how many of you go through terrorist scenarios in your mind?
I believe he only mentioned the Mumbai scenario in order to further his point that we should be running through/practicing terrorist scenarios in our mind. But I see that you interpret the main idea of the OP differently:
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Originally Posted by David Armstrong
it may be open to interpretation
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Originally Posted by CDRogers
But how many of you go through terrorist scenarios in your mind?
To answer the question posed in this thread (and to try to get it back on topic), I don't run through terrorist scenarios (maybe because I live in Evansville, Indiana and not a major population center), although I probably should.
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