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Old November 13, 2004, 06:29 PM   #44
Danindetroit
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Their original KTW bullet centered around a case-hardened steel core. Even at standard velocities, this core would obviously hold its shape and drill through automobiles, cinder blocks and other materials likely to defeat conventional police handgun loads. This was literally the core of the solution, but presented difficulties. The hard core would not take rifling and would ruin the bore. A gliding-metal jacket with full teflon coating took care of this. The round gave good penetration but poor accuracy at long range.
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The claim was made by the media that the teflon also lubricated the point of impact and increased penetration dramatically. That claim, in reference to soft body armor, was convincingly refuted by government test, with the Justice Dept. saying it "has little or no effect on the penetrating qualities of the projectile" and the Treasury Dept. labeling it as "little more than a cosmetic additive." But the fact that Teflon protects the bore from the ill effects of the hard bullet core is incontrovertible. By end of 1981, KTW was offering its products in most handgun calibers. Sales were still limited to police agencies or police officers ordering through federally licensed dealers, and were still limited in volume.
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Winchester designed the Ranger Talon with what they call a "reverse-taper" copper jacket. What this means is that the copper jacket on the Ranger Talon is thicker at the tip than at its base, and this is the opposite of conventional hollowpoint bullet designs. This thickness is necessary to provide stiffness to the talons after expansion so they remain in ideal position to cut tissue that flows around the mushroom skirt.
I am not sure but I think you have 2 different bullets put into the black talon category. The original theory that black talons were armor piercing, or "cop killers comes from the fact that they had a black tip on the bullet. In the military this represents an ap round, and some reporter heard this and assumed it meant the same thing in the civilian sector. Anybody who knows more can post better details, but I think this is the basics of the myth.

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This additional cutting mechanism gives Ranger Talon the potential to be approximately 3% to 5% more effective than other expanding bullets of the same caliber. In one out of every 20-30 shootings, Ranger Talon might make a difference. This very slight advantage could be just enough to save the life of a police officer who has to shoot a psychotic, enraged or chemically intoxicated attacker who is oblivious to being shot
Since they are marketed at law enforcement they should probably be called "cop savers". Can they be bought in most states by civilians who walk into a gun store, or is it like MI that they must be bought at a store that sells equipment and guns to leo's only, and can give a discount. That does not mean leo's must buy from them if they don't stock what they want, but a G27 that retails for $520 can be had at $380 from one of these stores.
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