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Birdhunter
January 29, 2002, 10:59 PM
I received an offer to go boar hunting recently and was told I could use any gun I wanted. However he frowned on rifles, said it took the sport out of it. I imagine it will be fairly short range.

I use my shotguns enough for hunting, so would my S+W 686 with 6" barrel and a heavy .357mag load do?

I think they are Russian boars.

ReverendHobo
January 30, 2002, 05:59 AM
Birdhunter, try this thread (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97835) - it's still active.

Art Eatman
January 30, 2002, 11:32 AM
For "good-eats" hogs in the 60- to 100-pound size, I'd think a .357 would be plenty good. (20 to 40 yards, I'd guess, as a maximum distance.)

Now, if you're sitting in a tree stand, and a larger hog passes right beneath you, you probably could easily kill him with a head shot.

The deal is, big hogs are very tough, so I'd pass the shot if I only had a .357. It's not so much that you can't kill them with the .357 so much as the odds are against an ethical, clean kill.

$0.02, Art

Vang Comper
January 31, 2002, 12:24 AM
Do you guys think that 3" brenneke slugs, 600 grains at 1400 fps (out of my 20" barrel), with over 2,600 ft/lbs of energy are enough power to reliably put down the big 400+ lb. boars?

Art Eatman
January 31, 2002, 02:33 AM
Vang, lad, as has been said a zillion or so times here, it all hinges on your ability to hit a good, killing spot on that hog.

If you're sure you can do your part, the slug will do its part.

:), Art

Vang Comper
January 31, 2002, 02:35 AM
Well, anyonehave a pic that shows the vital areas of a hog so that I may know where on the monsterous beast to place my shot? Or should I just go with magnum buckshot our of a vang comper? ;)

Roman Knoll
January 31, 2002, 08:18 AM
Shoot at the shoulder, that what makes the trick on European boar.

BTW brenneke slugs are ammo of choice on driven hunts. I don't know if it is the way you do it in US. But nothing beats a drilling or over/under rifle shotgun combos for this kind hunt. But I would feel very comfortable with say 870 with rifled barrel too.

Roman

Art Eatman
January 31, 2002, 12:28 PM
Side view: There's always the eye as an aiming point, or right under the ear. The heart is low in the chest, and sorta just-behind the front leg. The heart is about fist-size. Since the vital areas for these aiming points are roughly centered in the head or body, any quartering shot needs to follow an imaginary line to that vital spot.

You can try for just below the top of the shoulder; this can break both the leg and the spine. A high heart-lung shot will have the animal running but bleeding out, massively, internally. They won't run far.

If a hog is coming toward you, don't go for a between-the-eyes shot because of the chance of a glancing, non-penetrating hit. Aim more toward the nose and let the slug go through the softer bone below the eyes and on into the body.

Whether squirrel, kitty-cat, deer, human or hog, mammalian organs are pretty much in the same relative position in the carcass. The primary difference is the density of the bone and the toughness of the hide.

Right now, we seem to have a surplus of both humans and hogs, but I'm told the former are out of season for ethical hunters in the U.S.--which sez sumpn for the State of the Nation.

:), Art

Salt
January 31, 2002, 03:45 PM
If you want to be different, try using a .54 or .58 caliber ML rifle or musket. :D


Thompsen/Center still make their famous Hawkins rifle.
Go with .54 caliber loaded with 80gr FFG & patched round ball. Smaller calibers like .50 or .45 should be used with Maxi balls (conical bullet).

http://www.nmlra.org/

H&H,hunter
February 1, 2002, 06:09 PM
Hey there Vang Comper, (Blain) is that you? I shoot for the middle of the shoulder when its presented and try to break both shoulders with a lung pass through. Many times this will get the spine as well ,drops em like a bad habbit. Head on I agree with Art and aim for the end of the nose or if at an angle take the point of the on shoulder. Many times my only shot is running straight away then I'll put a 270 Gr. X bullet to the base of the tail. Most of the time if when I recover the bullet its in the throat. A complete pass through. I once shot a little porker(About 100 LBS) at no more than 5 feet in a swamp with a 45-70 loaded with Buffalo Bore 405 Gr ammo at 2000 fps. Hit him a little far back he took off like nothing happened and ran several hundred yards. I definatley recomend breaking bone on the first shot.

Vang Comper
February 12, 2002, 10:57 PM
Who are you, H&Hhunter?

H&H,hunter
February 12, 2002, 11:09 PM
Vangcomper,
Howdy from the world of Suresrtike enterprises. A word of warning, this web site is a little more mello than the other one. Not a threat just some friendly advice partner.

H&Hhunter.

Vang Comper
February 12, 2002, 11:46 PM
Oh believe me I know, I've already had my"episodes" here... two of them.

Vang Comper
February 13, 2002, 06:10 PM
Surestrike from huntingbbs, eh? That's who you are?

Vang Comper
February 14, 2002, 12:30 AM
Not talking, eh?

ed mason
February 14, 2002, 09:16 PM
Vang,

I don't know of too many creatures on the planet that a breneke slug will not take out.They are over 100 years old and still the
best design on the market.

Zorro
February 14, 2002, 11:56 PM
A 12 Gauge Slug will do nicely!

.357? Not a good idea.

.30-06 Class works too.

Just don't use Coyote calibers on them!

Rich Lucibella
February 15, 2002, 07:02 PM
Shoulder shot on hog?

Well, the shoulder's certainly a great reference point for a heart/lung shot. As to "breaking both shoulders". I think not. Hogs, unlike Cape Buff, have floating shoulders....that means it's all shoulder blade, no ball joint.

Not arguing the shot, just highlighting H&H's point that it's the spine damage that drops 'em quick, in cases where we're lucky enough get a piece of it.
Rich

H&H,hunter
February 15, 2002, 09:54 PM
Vang Comper,
That's me did you get the photos?

Vang Comper
February 15, 2002, 11:34 PM
Aye I just got the one you sent, very nice thank you. You get my response? Anyway, what is wrong with a neck shot on hogs? Target the spine but even if you're low you get the trachea.

Sgt Pepper
February 16, 2002, 11:11 PM
Using a .357 Mag on hogs is an iffy proposition. If you do try it, forget using hollow points, and go with the heaviest solid load you can find/make. Penetration is key. It is worth trying...but have backup.

A hot 10mm is a good choice, and .44 Mag is even better.

labgrade
February 17, 2002, 11:44 PM
Again, never having hunted hog, I'd go for a "break it!" anchor shot so the critter doesn't get to have it's way with you.

Elk have a no ball-joint shoulder too, & so far, every shot through both shoulder blades makes 'em fold - on their face.

YMMV re pigs.

Any critter that may ever be out to add me their own list = I'd just as soon "break it" & you can always kill it after that ....

A goodly .308+ - or 12 ga slug should do it at close range - if the shot placement's there ....

H&H,hunter
February 18, 2002, 12:15 AM
Vang Comper,
A neck shot works just great the only problem is hogs really don't have much neck showing it's shoulders and then the head. kinda like some line backers I know. I have shot them in the neck however and that does the job quite nicley if you get the chance. If you shoot low and hit the tracheia well don't go to the bank with this but I think a hog just goes into alternate breath mode and runs for about 5 miles before he even slows down you gotta anchor em or may not ever find em. They can "aerosal" like no other animal, into thin air.

LONGRIFLE30
February 18, 2002, 01:28 AM
I might have the wrong channel, but is there someone wanting hog hunting information, or is this a history class? If the latter, I too have quotes. If someone here really needs/wants info for hunting wild hogs, I can say that a proper slug from a 12 GA. will do, but if you use a handgun/pistol, USE ENOUGH GUN, and the right bullet, and don't fire unless you have a good shot or unless you have to. I don't know the type hogs you plan to hunt. If they are feral hogs, don't worry, they most-times run when the see/hear/smell you. If they are Russian hogs, and depending on whether they are hunted, they will charge, and tend to be much larger than most other hogs, and as always, if there is a sow with young pigglets, beware, she will be more fiersome than the meanest boar. I have some expirience in hog hunting, large and small, so if anyone might need some info, please email me. I will get back to you asap. Lee

LONGRIFLE30
February 18, 2002, 02:08 AM
The 3"slug will do good on a 400 pounder. Another good choice would be the .45-70 with a good HARD CAST bullet.

Birdhunter
February 18, 2002, 09:18 PM
I think I'll go with the .357. Lots of good suggestions , but I don't quite have an armory to choose from.
1. S&W 686 .357
2. M1 Carbine (naah)
3. Mosin-Nagant/M44/8mmMauser (overkill)
4. 12ga. w/out rifled barrels
5. SKS (not acurrate enough to me)

So I guess I stick with the .357. I use the shotguns for bird hunting and never hunted with anything else.So I liked to give it a try. I see that alot of other people used them too.
Thanks for the advice everyone.

Zorro
February 18, 2002, 11:15 PM
12 Gauge is YOUR best choice.

H&H,hunter
February 19, 2002, 07:51 AM
M44/8MM (overkill) I think not!

LIKTOSHOOT
February 19, 2002, 07:18 PM
If you are forced to use a shotgun, do not use a leaded slug. I don`t care who makes it, when your looking down a 400 pound pig....it`s a whole new game. Lead shotgun slugs may pancake and cause shallow penetration over the shoulder and it will not break both sides either (12ga) use copper solids. I don`t know how many here have really faced off a 400 or larger Russian, but consider this. Shotgun will be fairly close range and if you are not in a blind off the ground......you may be in for a surprise. A male boar or large female can hit 30mph in just a few feet, brush and tangle is no match for them; they will go through it like a bullet. Tree climbing is a plus in this hunting. If you really see a 400+ and it is Russian.....it is a cross between domestic and Russian. Domestic gives it the weight and Russian gives it it`s nice friendly attitude (NOT!)

I have seen a many a man torn up by these brush monsters, dogs too. When in doubt, lay flat on the ground. Regards LTS

Zorro
February 20, 2002, 01:08 AM
LIKTOSHOOT Go here:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97835

Brenneke Slugs are hardcast. Think .70 Magnum Keith SWC! Shooting thru cars.

There is a REASON why Alaskans pick 12 Gauge shotguns.

scotjute
February 20, 2002, 05:02 PM
I shot a wild "feral" boar estimated to be 400 lbs. when a
teen. Took 3 shots of 12 gage buckshot at 20 yards to stop
him and another at point blank range to finish him off. What
really seemed to stop him was the load of shot that broke a
front leg. Believe I was using # 4B or # 1B. Perhaps # 00B
would have been more effective. If he had been 40 yds.
away I think he would have kept on running! Never used slugs
before so I can't comment on them.

Legionnaire
February 20, 2002, 09:33 PM
Uh, Jeff Cooper says the only sporting way to take a hog is with a lance!

See the Winter 2002 edition of Cooper's Commentaries (http://freeweb.pdq.net/Keith.Reynolds/jeff/jeff10_2.html) and do a search on "lance."

LONGRIFLE30
February 22, 2002, 11:39 PM
if you have to use a pistol, from the list you presented, the .357 200 grain bullet on top of 12.0 grains of Win.296 is plenty safe in my Colt trooper III, so will also be in your 686. from a 4" pipe, they clock average 1170 fps inmine. You can use small magnum Win.,Fed., or CCI primers (I have with same load) no signs of over-pressure. Damn, either your pigs are smaller, or you are braver, I use the handgun for a "back-up only" and I have a 10mm with 15 rounds in the mag. Happy huntin' though, wherever you hunt. Try to do pics, I am gonna post pics if I get lucky and when I figure out how.

Birdhunter
February 27, 2002, 10:15 PM
Well I've changed my mind. My boss came back from boar hunting in Ohio and said he shot one with a .50cal powder and it kept on running. His buddy finished it off with a .308. He shot another with 2 arrows and had to do the same.
I'd prefer the 8mm Mauser to the .357

Art Eatman
February 28, 2002, 02:03 AM
I guess this thread shows the variables of hog hunting. Distance, size of hog, shot placement--there's no predictability. It's a lot better to use "too much" gun than not enough.

Another point is to be very selective in your shot. If it ain't "righteous", pass it!

:), Art