View Full Version : Tactical dress shoes???????
January 9, 2002, 04:01 PM
Well I don't know about "tactical", or even what that word means, but it occurs to me that my everyday work dress shoes, with their slick soles, would put me at a significant disadvantage against an aggessor when scuffling for control of a gun, scuffling/fighting in general, or more importantly and more likely, getting traction to run the hell away from trouble, esp. in wet, snowy conditions, or on an indoor slick surface. So........anyone know of the existence of a maker of nice, leather dress shoes with good, TREADED SOLES??
I have already determined that my everyday neckties put me at a disadvantage if the SHTF, so I wear them quite loose, even in court. But seems to me that good tread on shoes is even more important, because escaping trouble by running fast away from an aggressor seems much more likely and legally advisable if possible, thant fighting back or drawing down in most situations (assuming one is able-bodied and one can thus evade the aggressor by running).
(damn; just realized this may be better in "gear" section; moderator, you can move or leave; whatever you think best; sorry)
January 9, 2002, 05:02 PM
Most of my ropers come equipped with a leather sole. Not real great on ice or wet barroom floors, so the first place they go after I buy them is a cobblers (shoe repair) to have them resoled with a pair of Catspaw soles.
I don't see why you shouldn't be able to do the same with your favorite pair of dress shoes.
January 9, 2002, 05:10 PM
They sell non-slip shoes, mainly for people who work on their feet all day. But they also make some dress shoes.
January 9, 2002, 05:33 PM
what i think is odd is the bicycle police officers wearing cleated mountainbike shoes...
these guys don't need to win the tour de france
but they will need to drop the bike & boogie
someone sold them a tactical bill of goods
I used to street thrash a mountain bike in combat boots
and Grove Bear trap pedals
They never slowed me down
In the office tactical footwear department
its Air Walk Doc Martens fer me
January 9, 2002, 05:43 PM
Dexter Shoes has marketed shoes that would meet your requirements. UNFORTUNATELY, they may be difficult to find since Dexter has shut down their factory in Dexter, Maine. Presumably there will be some interruption of production as Dexter moves their facilities "off-shore" - or maybe to Afganistan (why not, Florshiem Shoes moved to Pakistan!). Hey, maybe the Afgans will make "anti-personnel" Dexters, if you know what I mean.
However, if you are lucky, you may find a Dexter shoe in your size at a closeout sale. My local shoe store is giving a 60% discount.
Your shoe store may be able to order Dexters from their wholesale distributor ... but you better hurry!
Two weeks ago I ordered 5 pair of my favorite Dexter shoes. Needed 9.5WW for my "duck feet". Just took delivery of my order and paid the discounted sale price. What a bargain!
About that neck-tie and the SHTF scenerio. I wear a tie every day. Never considered it a problem in a possible SHTF situation. But, thinking about it, maybe you can improvise a "head band" from your tie, learn a few moves from your marshall-arts manual and scare the hell out of the BGs.
Best of Luck!
January 9, 2002, 06:36 PM
These days its not hard to find mens dress shoes with rubber soles. Most brands offers at least one model. Hit the mall. Happy shopping.
January 9, 2002, 06:56 PM
Not quite dress shoes, but check out Rockport. I'm wearing these (http://www.rockport.com/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=rkptlatin1/38_product_detail.html?item=M4112).
January 9, 2002, 07:36 PM
Bates makes their ENFORCER in a dress shoe model. Won't go with t Tux but OK with a formal uniform.
January 9, 2002, 07:59 PM
Second the vote for Rockports. Every day in the office. Wingtips are available as well, if you must.
Boots in the field.
January 9, 2002, 08:12 PM
Your cobbler should have thin high traction overlays that he can put on over your soles. New shoes easier to work with. Work great and last.
January 9, 2002, 09:49 PM
what i think is odd is the bicycle police officers wearing cleated mountainbike shoes...
I deliver by bicycle and I find these shoes very comfortable and very useful. Sure, you don't need them - but I guarantee that if I were timed with them and without them I would go faster with. They allow you to apply power throughout the entire pedal stroke. That way no energy is lost on the upstroke. Toeclips may be argued as a better choice - but baskets are harder to get into properly and quickly. I feel that they make a good choice with the cleats - especially in a shoe like the Cannondale or the Nike which passes as a stiff soled street shoe in appearance. I can and have run in my cleats a few times (not because I wanted to) but I have done it before - no problems. Just the click click click of the cleats hitting concrete.
January 9, 2002, 11:40 PM
Check out Red Wings. They have dress shoes that are made for real comfort and durable wear.
I have never understood why people wear those slick soled shoes. I had to wear them in school (dress code) and I nearly broke my neck a few times in slick surfaces. And forget trying to fight in them. I refuse to wear them.
January 10, 2002, 12:00 AM
C.R. Sam is right on the money. My dress shoes go straight from the shoestore to the cobbler for the rubber overlays. It costs about $20.00, but they last a LONG time. You can replace them many, many times....which essentially lengthens the lifespan of the shoe while amortizing the cost a bit.
Make sure to scratch the soles on some sandpaper (or the parking lot) before you have the rubber overlays cemented to them. While you're at it, have the cobbler hammer-in some heel taps and your office shoes are now "tacticalized." ;)
God forbid I ever got into a scuffle over one of my sidearms, at least I would feel somewhat "on par" with a sneaker-clad goblin.
~ Blue Jays ~
January 10, 2002, 04:09 AM
I used to wear the Rockport Dressports when I had to...not a bad Vibram sole.
My semi-casual or bus-cas shoes now are all Docs...aka Dr. Martins, made in England. These are great shoes...last longer than any I've ever used.
My "shooting boots" are the 8" Doc Martin black "kicker" boots....funny how i started wearing them in my youth as a fashionable punk, and now still relish them as a great pair of boots. Been through 4 pairs in 15 years.
January 10, 2002, 09:47 AM
For casual-day type wear, I use Danner Edgewood GTX oxfords. Good tread, Danner quality and Gore-Tex waterproofness to boot. They come in black and brown.
January 10, 2002, 10:19 AM
Thanks a lot everyone - great replies all.
January 10, 2002, 10:45 AM
Dr Martens are great boots. They have expanded their product line to include many types of boots that could pass for business casual. They last FOREVER. And their police boot takes a spitshine oh so nicely...
January 10, 2002, 03:23 PM
I've got the same pair of ROCKPORTS as Gorthaur and also a pair of ROCKPORTS wing tips. They are both very comfortable and non-slip.
January 10, 2002, 06:45 PM
I have the Rockport Dressports. Very comfortable, and very good sole.
January 12, 2002, 07:46 AM
Allen Edmunds makes a high top black boot with lug sole that would certainly fill the bill. Some of the President's protection agents wear them. They are not the best for running if that is an issue. They cost close to $400 but Allen Edmunds are considered by many to be the best shoes made and they WILL last a lifetime with routine maintenance.
January 12, 2002, 07:55 AM
Oh yeah .... I have the Rockports and, although comfortable and easier to run in, they don't approach the A-E in quality or durability. If you anticpate ever having to do clearance drills with the sole of your shoe, the Rockports won't work. OK shoes, though, and probably suitable if you don't have to walk much on concrete or other abrasive surfaces that will quickly wear out the soles, don't foresee doing malfunctions drills on your shoes, and don't generally keep your shoes for decades.
January 13, 2002, 05:24 AM
Any LEOs remember the ties in Galls that were velcro, so that if someone tried to pull them they came loose. Only came in black though.
Basically a normal "tie" except around the neck was two piece velcroed together. Don't see why a normal "dress" tie could be done similiar. Check with a tailor and see.
January 13, 2002, 06:01 AM
Not that I haven't been weird here before, but as I reread this thread I remembered something.
I had two pair of Dressports in the past. They were comfortable and able to be worn with a suit (mine were wing tip style as I recall)...not particularly durable, but at the time, in my line of work, all I looked for was comfort and appearance.
I just remembered that they made my feet stink...ok, there...I said it. I'm a decent sized guy: 6'1" 200 or so lbs and had never had a "stinky feet" problem...but those Rockport Dressports made my feet reek.
Anyone else notice that, or was I going through "a phase"?
Point of reference, I "switched" to Doc's many years ago and my dress-cas brown brouges are nigh on 4 years old and still look great and smell like leather (inside and out)...My 8" kicker boots have been to work in the office, at countless ranges in all kinds of weather, 1000 target trapshoots in 90 degree heat, tons of gigs/concerts with random barfing, etc., etc. and still smell like leather (inside and out).
The brits can't make a gun-friendly society, but I'll be smacked with a banger if they can't make a damn good shoe.
-Spazz (needs sleep)
Maybe they use "mad cow" leather or something ;-)
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