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ump45
December 10, 2001, 02:28 PM
Goggles. Tactical Goggles. The kind you strap to your head. The kind the Delta operators wear.

Is there a civilizan source? Not only do I want to be protected from fragments, dirt, dust, and debris...but also against light. As in flash bangs, or other blinding type attacks.

KPS
December 10, 2001, 03:50 PM
Try www.shomertec.com . They sell Bolle and USGI tactical goggles.

Bogie
December 11, 2001, 12:43 PM
Ooooh... Tactical....

Must be hard seeing out of those matte-black lenses...

(okay, put that gun DOWN!)

Coronach
December 11, 2001, 12:50 PM
Luke: "But I can't see anything with the blast shield down!"

Mike :D

jthuang
December 11, 2001, 05:54 PM
Lightfighter has them.

http://www.lightfighter.com/generic.html;$sessionid$Y2FQ1PYAAKBV4P5MFMLHBMR53QVSNPX0?pid=116


Justin

IamNOTaNUT
December 11, 2001, 06:04 PM
Do you anticipate being attacked by persons wielding flash-bangs (gov't ???) any time soon?

ump45
December 11, 2001, 06:44 PM
Do you anticipate being attacked by persons wielding flash-bangs (gov't ???) any time soon?

Yea you're right, I should just hand over all my self-defense instruments. After all, the government is here to protect us right? I can always rely on the police to protect me! What do I need a gun for!

Man, I wish you had opened my eyes like this before. Thanks!

AndrewT
December 11, 2001, 07:14 PM
You're wasting your money on the fancy expensive ones, Just go get some ski goggles and take a black magic marker and mark it till it's black. You'll look pretty hard core then. A little birdie told me all the REAL "operators" actually do that instead of buying them pre-tacticalized................

ump45
December 11, 2001, 07:32 PM
Funny guy. Ski goggles. Haha.

Anybody ever put on a pair of cheap sunglasses? The lens is curved and it distorts the field of vision.

The expensive ones have auto-correction built in to the lens, so as the lens curves it doesn't distort the field of vision.

I've tried on several pairs of cheap protective goggles and they all have this problem of the curvature of the material causing a distortion. It actually makes me feel dizzy, not good when working with firearms. If you keep them on for about 30 minutes, your brain adjusts to it.

The good goggles are worth the money, in my opinion. I don't take shortcuts on firearms related gear.

AndrewT
December 11, 2001, 07:35 PM
Do they cause any problems with your tinfoil hat.............

ump45
December 11, 2001, 08:13 PM
I can't understand how people are motivated to behave this way. My guess is that by insulting me it makes you feel better about yourself.

So, get some help for that self-esteem problem, k?

AndrewT
December 11, 2001, 08:24 PM
What motivates you to take the defensive when Mr. NOTaNUT asks you a question? Your self esteem must be leaps and bounds above mine if you think highly enough of yourself that you need special black goggles to combat against evildoers with flashbangs. Your sarcasm directed at him was quite childish..... but I digress, you really oughta try that black magic marker trick......

Borf
December 11, 2001, 09:00 PM
In all seriousness, I don't know how bright flashbangs are - but I'm assuming they are pretty dang bright. I'm thinking if you had lenses dark enough to protect you from such a flash, you would be essentially blind in anything but an exceedingly bright situation (think welding lenses... you can see fine while the arc is there... but you're blind otherwise). Is most of the protection in terms of gas and debris? I don't know... just wondering out loud here.
Then again, there is the welding glass that instantly darkens... hmm...

Ricky T
December 11, 2001, 09:03 PM
AndrewT:
This is your brother RickyT. Haven't I taught you anything? You know the real D-boys don't use ski goggles. They use welding masks.

AndrewT
December 11, 2001, 09:10 PM
Brother Richard,
I hang my head in shame, I apologize to all for spreading my falsities.
Good Day

Ricky T
December 11, 2001, 09:17 PM
Young AndrewT:
Falsies? I didn't know you were a crossdresser? :)

orlando5
December 11, 2001, 09:35 PM
I bought a few items from Shomer-Tec.com before. They are legit and I have no problem with their stuffs. You should find most of the tactical items there.

ump45 asked a reasonable question and everyone jumped on him and acted like children.

IamNOTaNUT
December 11, 2001, 10:51 PM
You are correct sir, there was nothing childish about the question per se. But the editorial comments that followed implied that he was preparing to be invaded by the government at any moment, in which case I have a question or two.


"Not only do I want to be protected from fragments, dirt, dust, and debris...but also against light. As in flash bangs, or other blinding type attacks."



First off, Bolle, or other style goggles, will do nothing to protect one against the blinding flash of a flash bang. Secondly, if he really is about to be invaded by evil JBT's guised as local law officers, I would suggest that he take a different course of action.

Perhaps he should stop doing whatever it is he is doing to warrant the "invasion." You see, that way he could save the money he would otherwise spend on the goggles, and probably avoid going to jail as well.

Coronach
December 12, 2001, 01:20 AM
It takes TRUE skill to cause a thread about goggles to go down the crapper this fast. Sweet Jesus, everyone chill out. An armed society is a polite society. So be polite.

Mike

Bogie
December 12, 2001, 11:27 AM
Yeah, but he used the "T" word!

(now industriously magic-markering my monitor black...)

AndrewT
December 12, 2001, 11:56 AM
First off thank you for regocnizing my supreme level of TRUE skill at bringing a thread down. Secondly I'd like to point out that had I started a thread asking about bullets that defeat ballistic vest material for my "cop killa" gun that everyone would've jumped me pretty badly. I started my childishness after he started his "I want to be Randy Weaver" rhetoric, so it was justified, and more importantly it was funny :)
Good Day

Coronach
December 12, 2001, 01:20 PM
Well, as long as you're enjoying yourself...:D

Mike

Apeach
December 12, 2001, 09:14 PM
Yeah. The "T" word. Last time I checked, tactical was a completely legit word to use, and it was a legit question by ump45. So anyways, some good sources would be Lightflyer tactical http://www.lightfighter.com/ or the Tacticalshop http://www.tacticalshop.com/ . I don't know much about either of the two companies, but I think both would serve your purposes.

M1911
December 12, 2001, 10:41 PM
Tactical ???!!! :rolleyes:

Sheesh, we need to have a trigger on this site. Three uses of the word "tactical" and you're gone.

Everybody's a SEEL :rolleyes:

M1911

Foxy
December 13, 2001, 12:14 PM
I've tried both Lightfighter and Tactical Shop.

I ordered the Gemtech pistol lanyard from Lightfighter and the High Speed Gear industries thigh holster. The Lanyard came posthaste, the holster was on backorder. When I sent an e-mail asking how long the backorder would last, I got a reponse later that same day. I'd definately buy from Lightfighter again.

I tried ordering a blackhawk holster from Tactical Shop's blackhawk blowout that they had a while ago (September? October?) Sent them an order and nothing ever came. Fortunately, they didn't charge my account, leaving me to wonder whether the order got lost in the mail, or they lost it. Either way, I'm not buying from them again.

Sheesh, we need to have a trigger on this site. Three uses of the word "tactical" and you're gone.

Good bye all the owners of USP tacticals I guess then, eh?

maxinquaye
December 13, 2001, 03:39 PM
Hehehehwarchortlehahaha

Thanks all, I needed a laugh. This thread's pretty funny - methinks it was mostly light hearted, those who are gettin' all uptight need to look at the light side. :D

IamNOTaNUT
December 13, 2001, 08:43 PM
Indeed.

Pinco Palla
December 16, 2001, 01:01 PM
Hi,

I'm a Lightfighter oversea customer since a long time ago,I was never disappointed from him,he is a reliable and good top-quality-gear dealer.

I got from him my Bolle' T800 tact.goggle,a very good eyes shield indeed.

Just my 0.2

PP out

Romulus
December 16, 2001, 06:24 PM
Pinco, you got mail...

Saluti

Pinco Palla
December 17, 2001, 07:40 AM
Roger that, :)

PP out

Lightfighter
December 19, 2001, 03:48 PM
For a goggle to be a tactical model, it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of the lens (they are usually clear), nor the blackness of the frame. A good set of tactical goggles are made to work in conjunction with appropriate head gear and also have a lens that is rated to defeat puncture by high volocity projectiles (like shooting classes). Blacked out to fight against flashbangs is certainly not their job.

Better goggles are usually lower profile, better quality, and heavier duty. This allows them to not only protect your eyes like a pair shooting glasses, but they also allow unrestricted peripheral vision and do not impede the use of iron or optical sights on long arms. Having a goggle instead of glasses prevents gaps between the frame and the face -- which can be a good thing in a tactical environemt and is a requirement for many teams and departments. Most Ski goggles are not made in a low profile like this (they don't need to be), and many of them are not available in subdued colors.

http://media.bigstep.com/shop/4/59/4417594/upload/998871497684.jpg

My favorite Tactical goggles are the Bolle T-800. These are what I use when I train and they work very well. Fog is never an issue and they remain more comfortable to me when wearing hearing protection for a long time than glasses. You don't have to be a SWAT guy to appreciate the benefits of a good pair of goggles (there is a reason they use them).

drcohen
December 20, 2001, 09:39 PM
there are plenty of good goggles, but only one addresses the fogging. if you're tactical, and want to cut throught the smoke ...

ESS makes the TurboCAMs. not cheap, but awesome.

www.bestdefense.com has 'em

Javahed
December 20, 2001, 11:30 PM
We've been using ESS goggles on my team for about 5 months now. Helicopter, desert and urban use - they are great in all of 'em. I've used Bolle, Oakley and some others and these are by far the best.

these are the ones we use
http://www.essgoggles.com/images/tact.gif
and believe it or not, they have the dreaded "T" word in their name -- ESS Tactical :D

they can be found at ESS (http://www.essgoggles.com/tactical.htm)

Have fun

BTW - the flash is the least you need to worry about if a flash bang goes off near you. It's the bang and shockwave that daze you long enough to get that metal infusion :D

Dan

orlando5
December 21, 2001, 01:36 AM
Those are real nice tactical goggles. I like their tear offs features. It too bad that the price is beyond my reach.

Lightfighter
December 21, 2001, 04:34 PM
I sell the ESS goggles, too (they are on my website) and they are nice. They are strong and they are inexpensive (except the turbo cam with the built in fogging fan). I will still use nothing but the Bolle T-800 because of the range of vision (ESS can't match) and the low profile (ESS are bulky in comparison).

I have the ability to use whatever I want to when I train (at OPS, PRO-TAC, Front-site, Etc) just by raiding my inventory -- I have anything I want. I have used most of everything at least once and I refuse to ever wear any tactical goggles but the Bolle T-800.