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El Rojo
November 15, 2001, 12:00 PM
I just received an e-mail from my aunt. She was telling me the latest adventure for her and the family have been the wild pigs tearing up their back yard. She lives in the coastal hills by Los Gatos, PRK. She said she probably wouldn't want to shoot a pig, but she wouldn't mind if someone else would. Her being a of the liberal persuation, I think that was a major hint to her pig killing nephew to come do some pgi control.

Here is the problem. They live in one of those really nice houses up in the foothills where people actually have backyards (and sideyards even), but there are still houses within a quarter of a mile on each side. If I recall correctly, there is a large hill in their back yard so I would have a good bullet stop should I shoot my .30-06 or .308 at a pig. Max distance across their backyard from the the house is no more than a 100 yards if IIRC. I don't really want to freak out the neighbors, but is it really that big of a deal if I shoot one or even two rounds at a pig in their backyard? I don't believe it is in an incorporated city. I would think if my shots are under 100 yards and it sounds like these pigs are fairly relaxed around the houses, I would be able to use my Remington 700 VS and make a good head shot anywhere around 100 yards. The next quietest thing I have is maybe .30-30 (I don't really know if that is quieter, I don't shoot it much), sks (I doubt that though), M1 Carbine (should be quieter, but accuracy and stopping power is going to go way downhill), and then there is my Ruger 10/22 custom job that has moa to sub moa accuracy to about 50 yards. Of course a .22 bullet is going to be severely restricted to a head shot, but even then, I have shot pigs in the head with a Remington 7mm Mag and have them keep going.

So, should I think about quieter methods or should I just take the tack driving VS in .308 with a hot 125 gr. Speer TNT HP load or the Sierra 165 gr. Gamekings? The last pig I shot was with the Speer TNT's since I was coyote hunting at the time. It wasn't that great of a shot, I hit it in the back right in front of the hind quarter, but it dropped dead due to the explosive power of a speer 125 gr. TNT HP. I would imagine shooting a pig in the side of the head with one would do some damage, but might it not be as good as a deep divign 165 gr. Gameking? Do I want a bullet to exit like the Gameking vs. a TNT HP that is going to destroy itself and not travel on?

I am leaning towards a Speer 125 in the side of the head since it will be within 100 yards on pigs who probably won't expect me to be harvesting them. The neighbors will just have to deal with it. Thanks for your comments.

Bottom Gun
November 15, 2001, 01:44 PM
Most states have laws against shooting within 1/4 of occupied structures, so I'd be careful.

I 'd be tempted to set a couple of steel traps around some bait. If you don't have any, maybe you could find some at swap meets or even borrow a couple. Even though the bleeding hearts banned their use on public land here in Arizona, we can and do still use them on our own properties to get rid of unwanted pests.

Hogs are pretty smart but if you put bait out for a few days and let them become accustomed to finding food there, once you set the traps there you'll almost certainly get one.
It'll then be a simple matter to walk up and put a standard velocity .22 between his peepers and your neighbors will be none the wiser.

If you decide to go this route but haven't trapped before, email me and I'll be glad to offer some suggestions.

Hope that helps.

BG

El Rojo
November 15, 2001, 02:19 PM
Sorry Bottom Gun. The people of the PRK decided it is evil to trap poor innocent animals and then shoot them in the head. It is more proper to shoot them and have to track them down as animal control. My dad was a great trapper and we might still have some traps around somewhere. However, would a rubber jawed trap (the PRK is very humane) hold a wild pig for long? The pigs hadn't really migrated to the ranch we trapped on before we stopped trapping. Great idea though. In that case I could use a subsonic .22 load and that would be that. I will check on the laws of distances to buildings.

I am pretty sure baiting is illegal period around here.

HankB
November 15, 2001, 03:19 PM
Shoot from a window, keeping the muzzle of the rifle WELL inside the house - like 10 feet inside. That will muffle the noise quite a bit. Only fire ONE shot - people won't know where it came from. If you can have someone else run a lawn mower or gasoline leaf blower outside at the time, that will further mask the noise.

Needless to say, you don't want to do this a lot; lead from the priming compounds distributed all over your aunt's living space would be rather unhealthy. (Ummm . . . I wonder if the concussion from a .30/06 or .308 will crack the glass on the windows? If you try it, let me know.)

Have you considered a crossbow?

Bottom Gun
November 15, 2001, 04:53 PM
You might want to check to see if there is an exclusion for trapping on your own property. There may be.
If not, The window shot is probably a good idea.

A .22 at 100 yd may not stop the hog. I've had javelina survive head shots with .22's.

C.R.Sam
November 15, 2001, 05:40 PM
From a stastical basis of one......firing .405 Winchester from well inside the house does not hurt windows. Does strain relationship with others in house tho.

If nice warm cat food or dog food is placed outside right by the back door every mornin.....whose to say it is piggy baiting.

Sam......Eh ?

Dave R
November 15, 2001, 07:08 PM
I kinda liked the crossbow idea...

Regular bow would work, too, if you know how to use it.

Bottom Gun
November 15, 2001, 11:03 PM
If you didn't stop it with an arrow, you might have a pig running around the neighborhood with a shaft sticking out of it.

The way my luck runs if I stuck the pig with an arrow, it would run off and finally drop in the local animal rights activist's front yard after leaving a blood trail leading to my house.

Maybe the safest way is to just start regularly feeding the neighborhood critters in a strategic location like C.R.Sam suggested and pop it from inside a window or doorway.

inGobwetrust
November 16, 2001, 12:01 AM
Do you have any friends with NFA type weapons or maybe a SUPPRESSOR? I know a cop in Massachusetts who borrowed a suppressed MP5 to get rid of some coyotes that were stalking his dog right in his back yard. One shot each with heavy (158 gr) 9mm in the neck did the trick. If you could lure the pigs within 25 yards or so this might be the ticket.

gyp_c2
November 16, 2001, 12:26 AM
Why can't you get any closer than 100 yards? I'd rather just get close enough to use a small caliber than blow out windows and alienate the entire county with that routine...Maybe you could just contact animal control? Sherriffs Dept? Geez...has to be a better way than this...Talk about overkill...What kinda' hogs come up to her house anyway? Maybe I'm missin' the point here...Run through this story again and why this is necessary?!

Mithirium
November 16, 2001, 12:59 AM
I second the bow idea, infact i know somebody that might be willing to help ;)

Al Thompson
November 16, 2001, 05:43 AM
gyp_c2, hogs can do damage that has to be seen to be believed. Imagine your yard getting tilled up - it's that bad.

Not sure how Kali's wildlife control types are, but if their like those here, their pretty sorry.

El Rojo, legality aside, the best suggestion is to shoot from inside the house. If you keep the muzzle way back from the opening it's pretty quiet. Either the 165s or 125s will work. I'd go with what ever is easiest to shoot accurately as you won't get much chance for a second shot. Check the neighborhood's patterns - may be that mid-morning on a week day would be the best time. Here most people in the hood are at work at that time of day/week.

Be safe!

Giz

El Rojo
November 16, 2001, 02:06 PM
Yes, you wouldn't believe what pigs can do to an area. One day you drive by and don't notice anything. The very next day, you drive by, and it seriously looks like somone came out and tilled an entire area underneath the oak trees. They root a lot. So with that in mind, my aunt lives in a semi-secluded area near Los Gatos and was telling me about how bad she has a pig problem in her back yard. She is semi-liberal so her family doesn't have firearms around. She was saying she wouldn't shoot a pig, but she wouldn't mind if someone else did. Basically a big hint to pig shooting nephew to come harvest some pigs.

The thing is, there are houses not too far off. Their back yard is about a 100 yards from house to back fense. I was just curious on a quieter way to take a pig out. The I concluded that I would probably just nab one with the Remington 700 VS in .308. I figured one shot wouldn't startle the neighbors too much and I have sub-moa accuracy with that gun. I figure a good head shot and dead piggy. The other pigs will naturally not like the idea of their fellow piggy's head exploding next to them and might go else where. I clean the pig, give it to the relatives. End of story. I was hoping to do it legally since I can easily get pig tags.

Next thing I know, everyone has gone further than I was thinking and we have all of these great ideas. I just don't know how keen the aunt and uncle are going to be about me shooting pigs from inside the house. If it were my place or if they were a little more conservative, it would sound like great fun.

Anyone know any LE in the area with suppressed MP5's? Or a suppressed bolt gun? Let me know.

Molon Labe!
November 16, 2001, 03:21 PM
If you are 100yards (300 feet) away from a house you can legally shoot a rimfire/centerfire with out them hippies being able to call the police. What county are you located in?

El Rojo
November 17, 2001, 01:39 AM
This is going to be in Gilroy south of San Jose (mistook it for Los Gatos earlier). Don't know what county that is. Let me check right quick. Santa Clara county.

Art Eatman
November 17, 2001, 08:44 AM
Rojo, are her neighbors have similar problems? If so, you could make the rounds of her area and talk to them.

Explain you are a professional hunter and target shooter and concerned about safety. As a favor to your aunt's neighbors, you would help them end the problem and yet waive your usual fee.

While I firmly believe that it is easier to get forgiveness than permission, there are times when checking into a situation is helpful. Folks with hog-sign in their yards might become quite receptive to your offer of help.

:), Art

stinger
November 17, 2001, 03:15 PM
in a word...no. a lucky shot in the eye might drop the animal, but the skull of a wild pig is several inches thick. a body shot might not even puncture the hide.

if you shot them from the yard you are likely to go to jail. i recommend that you track them for a couple of days, find their habitation, and then shoot them there.

i might be able to get away with shooting from my yard here in texas, but i would not try it unless i absolutely had to. no sense going to jail over a pig.

stinger

El Rojo
November 17, 2001, 04:51 PM
How do you go to jail for shooting pigs in season from your own property? Any statutes to back that up Stinger? Pigs don't have habitation. They roam around and eat. That is about it.

stinger
November 19, 2001, 01:11 AM
El Rojo,

weren't you the one looking for advice? i was just giving my $.02.

unless you are outside of the city limits, you will face at least a fine, if not jail time. just because you are on your own property doesn't give you the right to shoot at whatever you wish.

You said, "Pigs don't have habitation. They roam around and eat."

don't we all:D

stinger

Bowser
November 19, 2001, 02:55 AM
Only elephant, and cape buffalo have skulls over one inch thick.

22 Mag to the head from 25 yards will do the job quickly and quietly. Solid point right in the eye, or just under the ear. If you can't get to withing 25 yards of them, something is wrong with you!! Keep the wind in your face, and you can crawl right up on them..

Bowser.

p.s. - in Texas, they only have mini-pigs. Javelinas are not wild pigs, they are more like overgrown rats ;)

El Rojo
November 19, 2001, 05:50 AM
Thanks Stinger. I am pretty sure they are out of the city limits. They live up in the foothills and the houses are sort of spaced out, but not enough to make me completely rest assured. I was just pushing you for info because what things are like in the Lone Star state are definitely not quite the same as my socialist republic. Thanks for your input.

Art Eatman
November 19, 2001, 10:17 AM
Now, Bowser, don't be puttin' down the noble havalulu. Those little pigalina critters are as tasty as anything you'll ever throw a liplock on.

Properly barbecued, those little hams are plumb scrumptious!

:), Art

stinger
November 19, 2001, 08:20 PM
i beg to differ.

there are hogs all over the place. i live on the southern plains, but once you get off the caprock you can find plenty of hogs.

stinger

Art Eatman
November 19, 2001, 09:57 PM
Feral hogs are all over the place, and expanding their territory. They're even out in the Davis Mountains!

I saw photos of a couple of hogs from down in the Brush Country. A sow, weighing 549 pounds; and a boar weighing some 460 pounds. They have an annual wild hog festival in Sabinal, west of San Antonio...

During the October, 1998 flooding of the Guadalupe river, my cousin trapped and shot over 30 of the pests at our place down below Cuero.

Art

Navy joe
November 19, 2001, 11:53 PM
Boar + Boar spear http://www.coldsteel.com/borspr.html

Quiet, fun, physically and mentally challenging! :D

Bowser
November 20, 2001, 07:09 AM
NJ,

the spear would be the quietest method were it not for the violent, agonising screams of the spearer when the hog gets his revenge!

KeepOnGlockin
November 20, 2001, 06:04 PM
El Rojo are the hogs still hangin around after rooting ? Usually once they've been over a place they dont return. I've hunted hogs all my life and they arent as fierce as people make them out to be. I hardly ever kill one on the spot. I usually use a catch dog then take the boar home and feed it for a month. I've also killed numerous boars with a .22 magnum from less than 25 yards. Aim careful and hit them under the ear they drop on the spot. If your aim is off a little your gonna chase them for miles. If you choose to go with the .22 you can get fairly close easily with the wind to your face. The spear idea is great and dont worry the boar wont get you. Good Luck.
P.S. Dont shoot a high power rifle out of your aunts window.

9mmepiphany
November 21, 2001, 02:16 PM
i sorta like the boar spear idea myself except it's usually supposed to be used from horseback...helps prevent slashing by other pigs :eek:

i always think of gilroy (garlic capitial) as rather rural, but... the easiest way to go might be the cross-bow (unless you're pretty good with a compound). i think the bolt sticking out of their buddy's head might convince the rest of them to leave. :p

H&H,hunter
November 23, 2001, 08:52 PM
Hey any of you guys ever heard of a .300 whisper? 200 grain bullet at about 900 fps with a can on the end it is silent! With out the can it's pretty darn quiet. just watch out for penitraition it drives through stuff like hells own hammer. Can't afford a new rifle? Try loading your .30-.30 down to about 900Fps with a 175gr bullet same concept. The longer the barrell the better. I've seen the whisper work on hogs down in Texas quite impressive out to about 150 yds then it just dies. Old indian trick shoot only once you'll probably not get to much attention and it's tough to pin-point a rifle report with just one shot. Try the down loaded .30-30 you'll be amazed at how quiet it is especially at any ditance and with any sound cover in the area I.E. trees, shrubs ETC.

El Rojo
January 6, 2002, 07:29 PM
I found out that the neighbors have pig problems too and that they regularly shoot at them, deer, turkey's, and whatever else they want. What I thought might be a liberal enclave is actually used to hearing gun shots in back yards and the pigs that are plowing up all of these backyards would not be missed in the slightest. I might just make a trip up there and use the Remington 700 VS with some 125 gr. Speer TNT's to the head. I will let you know how it turns out.

inGobwetrust
January 7, 2002, 12:23 AM
Those TNT's are going to make an awful mess. If the pigs are big they also may not penetrate the skull. I'd consider a sturdier bullet. Just my two pennies worth.

Bottom Gun
January 7, 2002, 07:55 AM
El Rojo,

Those 125 gr TNT's ought to work well. They've done well for me. Don't think you need to worry about penetrating the skull. I've shot very large hogs in the past with a .223 (head shots) and they dropped in their tracks.

Happy hunting. Let us know how it goes.

MeekAndMild
January 7, 2002, 01:41 PM
The farmer I used to work for killed his hogs with a .22 rifle. Draw an imaginary mark between the right eye and the left ear and onother one between the left eye and right ear. The crossing of that X is the aim point.

El Rojo
January 7, 2002, 05:37 PM
I have considered that the TNT might not penetrate as well. However, I am going to be laying prone with a Harris Bipod and the shot is going to be under 100 yards. I will have a 20X scope and plenty of time. A head shot or even a neck shot should be instant death. My father just shot his last pig at about 100 yards plus with his .22-250 using 55 grain V-max. He was trying for a head shot and got the neck. The pig died instantly. I have taken pigs before with the 125 TNTs with a shot to the back. It wasn't a very good shot, but where I hit him in the middle top back, he went down instantly. I think a shot to the eye at less than 100 yards will do the trick. My other reason for using the 125s is if for some reason I miss, it will hit the side of the hill and not go far. Using the 165 gr gameking is going to retain more energy and go further should I possibly miss. I think the 125 will do and yes it will be a mess. That is why I am aiming for the head.

ScottsGT
January 8, 2002, 01:33 PM
MMMMMMMMM.........Bar-B-Que.......
Sounds like it's time for a good old fashioned neighborhood Bar-B-Que!

bsmart
January 8, 2002, 09:28 PM
El Rojo, do you own a .45 at all? Where I come from, Darwin in the Northern Territory of Australia, our feral pigs are basically nocturnal. They usually are asleep by about 8 am in the morning and usually layup under thick bush, shady areas, under logs generally areas where it is cool and shaded from the sun, not far from water. I'd sneak up on these pigs and let em have it with the SIG P220 using 185gn Sierra hollowpoints at 1100fps, a tad warm! These pigs would weigh in at around 100+kgs sometimes 150. You could get within a couple of metres of them, into the wind and whammo. Also Crossbows are good or even compound bows. That pigsticker Navy Joe showed would do the job as well, as a few people up in the Territory just use dogs and knives. The dogs bail up the pig and you walk up and slit it's throat. Not as hard as it seems. :D

Guyon
January 9, 2002, 04:05 PM
Didn't anybody here see Survivor II? Didn't that Michael guy (the one who passed out and burnt himself pretty badly) kill a pig with a knife strapped to a pole?

If you shoot from inside, don't forget ear protection for yourself and anybody else around.

Crimper-D
January 9, 2002, 08:16 PM
I have seen pics of a friends son with a pig killed on his Dad's ranch in the hills between Gilroy and Pachecho Pass last year. The County is better known for it's Liberal Silicone Valley polatics than it's agriculture, but it's a Big county, and there is still a lot of ranch land left in the foothills. If you are shooting on family land and the neighbors are not overtly hostile, you can manage rather well. There aren't any public hunting areas around there, and the local landowners aren't likely to let in anyone they don't know well, but the game is there, and since the hunting pressure is light, aren't as spookey as more heavially hunted areas.
The pigs are Razorbacks = feril pigs, not the bigger true Russian Boar running loose in the hills in San Benito and Monterry county. Still plenty big and very tasty;) I got one a decade back that fed a BBQ of 70 people. Visualize dark very lean pork spit/pit BBQ'd.
Hope you make the hunt.
No suggestions on caliber to use, but my last 2 in Monterry county were with a 30-06.:)

patent
January 11, 2002, 12:15 PM
I read through the thread and saw that the neighborhood seems friendly to shooting the pigs. In case it turns out not to be true, I had one thought for you.

If you fire a shot, even a quieter one, and hope they can't figure out where it came from, you will at some point still have to go get the pig and clean it. That would probably make it clear who was shooting if the pig dropped in a nice manicured lawn without a fence.

Have fun.

H&H,hunter
January 13, 2002, 12:50 PM
It finally hit me we've all been on the wrong track!!
All you really need to do is go up to Berkley, heart and soul of the peoples reeducation camps of the PRK. Find a pig whisperer and have them come to your aunts house and have them telepathically modify the pigs behavior so they don't rout up gardens anymore. If that doesn't work maybe the peoples commity on hogs can make a law against pigs routing gardens within the boudries of the glorious PRK.

Problem solved.

scotjute
January 14, 2002, 03:12 PM
My family used to trap wild hogs years ago in Louisisana.
The
trap was a wooden pen about 6'x12' and about 5'
high. There was a sliding wood gate held up by a rope
that was tied to a stake near the back of the pen. Bait
in the form of whole ears of corn was tied to the rope.
Forget the exact scenario of how it was attached.
The pig went for the bait and when he pulled it, the rope
tied to it untied the knot, and the heavy wooden gate
then slid down
trapping the hog. Didn't always work, but ususally did.
And you don't have to wait around for the pigs to come.
then you can deal with them at your leisure.

ed mason
January 14, 2002, 04:38 PM
It not any quieter but those new barnes x 110 gr .308 bullets are great!

ReverendHobo
January 16, 2002, 03:28 AM
my last 2 in Monterry county were with a 30-06

Crimper-D, out of curiosity, did you hunt in the Hunters Ligget area?

Mick Mason
January 16, 2002, 04:11 AM
G'day. I was just surfing around and came across this great site. I have a possible solution to your problem. Around where I live we trap pigs in a humane and RSPCA approved way.
Just get yourself about 30 foot of reenforcing mesh about 6 foot wide and make a circular cage out of it. The cage is put on its end and the ends of the mesh are pushed in towards the centre of the cage. What you have should look like a heart shape when viewed from above. The ends of the mesh that are making the door should be left rough, with the sharp cut ends of the mesh left on. Use some star pickets around the trap to hold it all in place and to hold it down. You need to bait it with something tasty (here we use road kill) and leave a bi of it around the entrance to get the pigs used to the trap. If the pigs are extra cautious you can prop the door open with a bit of stick just wide enough for the pig to get in past his ears and if he sticks his head in he will open the door a little more and the stick will fall out.
Once the pig is in the door the uncut ends mesh back together and he can't get back out.
Then you just show up in the morning with the .22 and do him in.

I hope this makes sense?

Mick

Salt
January 17, 2002, 03:09 AM
El Rojo,

I recommend archery tackle due to the close proximity of other homes.

A crossbow might be your best bet for quiet eradication of these pests. :cool: