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Jamie Young
June 10, 2001, 07:27 PM
I think I spent most of the day in my own little world with my FAL. As usual I always have my new experiment for the day and the Mini 14 shot 2MOA (I have two Witnesses) and my STG58 Shot 1MOA with Federal Gold Match 168gr, and I could hit a 3 ft target at 500yds most of the time :) (I'm going to scan the targets to prove it). I was glad to see a few others showed up with there FALs. Today was the first time I saw 4 FALs at one range.

"Marcus" Your 10mm was a fine weapon! That gun fit right in my hand and was very smooth. I didn't get to talk to everyone very much since I was doing so much FAL shooting. "Dead" I want to see a scope on that SAR II and see what it does at 400yds. we should get a Mini 14 vs. SAR II at 300-400yds and see what happens. "Dinosaur" thanks for letting me shoot the Kahr P9 I'll defanitely consider getting one.

Next shoot will probable be in Sept and we are going to have to do some sporting clays. :cool:

We keep adding on newcomers and today was a great day for shooting.

Jamie Young
June 10, 2001, 08:09 PM
P.S. This range is the only range I know of where wildlife is attracted to gunfire. A few weeks ago I had a turkey walk right under the 100yd targets and today we had a deer walk right past the 300yd targets. I'm go there for deer season next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dead
June 10, 2001, 08:59 PM
Sodapop, I will have to get a Scope for that thing for sure! I will have to see where i can find a mount for it. That 10mm was sweet!!! So were those Hi-Powers.



That deer is lucky it didnt try to cross while everyone one shooting their FAL's ;) Oh yeah there is a range in upstate NY where, EVER time I have been there, there were deer on the 200 yard range. (This was during High Power Matches)

Now I just have to get a DSA stg58 :D

Wonder where is a good place to get one around here??? Wonder if I CAN get one here???

My friend will post the pics later, either that or they will send them to me, and I will post them....

Marcus
June 10, 2001, 09:40 PM
I`m glad I was able to make it,I had a great time! It was a lot of fun trying out other guns like Dinosaur`s .40 HiPower (sweet!) and MK9 (also sweet!) and even Dead`s 8mm Mauser with the steel butt plate (ouch, LOL!). Next time I have to bring something that can "reach out and touch something" at those longer ranges, "Stubby" wasn`t quite up to it. ;) Marcus

Jamie Young
June 10, 2001, 11:14 PM
I think I made an Ass out of my self with that Mauser. After I fired the first two rounds somebody asked me if I thought it kicked hard and I said NO not like my 30/06. Then the next round slammed into my shoulder because I didn't hold it down right. The last two rounds were a real torture test. Another FAL shooter showed up around 4:30 but I didn't really talk to him much. I tried to shoot my Colt 1991A1 a little but my hands were to shakey. I still want to get back up there with my FAL. Dead "DSArms.com" is where you want to go for an STG58.

dinosaur
June 11, 2001, 04:05 AM
Come sit on my front porch. I had 16 of
em on my lawn one day!:p

I see Geoff didn`t check in yet. I hope
he made it home ok. He really needs to
get out of NY.:barf:

It was a good day. Finally put some
faces to go with names. A very
impressive display of firepower. When
the rifle line was cooking it sounded
like the Huns were in the trenches!:eek:

It was fun trying out the different
guns. Makes me want to run out to the
gun dealer.:D

I will definitely be there in Sept!

Dead
June 11, 2001, 09:39 AM
For all those that missed this meet, you missed one hell of a day at the range! We had great weather, good people, and plenty of firearms to shoot. The only thing missing to make it a PERFECT day were some hot babes. So if you didnt make it out, make a point to be at the next one.

dinosaur, while you are "running out to the gun dealer", can you pick me up a hi-power??? ;)

K80Geoff, You brought the good weather this time with you... Guess the third time is the charm huh???

SodaPop, thanks for the Link!! List price is 1800, but I recall you saying the can be had for about 900... I will have to see. I am also suprised I didnt "take out" your soda this time :p

Marcus, That 8mm wasnt that bad!!! I dont think anyone broke their shoulder, just bruised it slightly. I will have to bring a real beast with me in Sept. (Time to have a light weight 475 A&M magnum made up!! OUCH!!)

K80Geoff
June 11, 2001, 12:47 PM
Deer figured in my activities all day. Driving to the shoot on I78 one ran out in front of me and stopped, in the middle lane. Turned and looked at me, it's antlers were starting to bud. Had to do some fancy driving to miss it.

Then I was shooting at the 300 yd target through the iron sights on my AR and that deer strolled right in front of my target! It almost bought it!

Going home I saw dozens of dead deer on the side of the interstate, doesn't New Jersey clean up its highways? What is the significance of all this? Is there some hidden message here? ( Gotta stop watching those X files reruns)


That 8MM wasnt bad, my milsurp 30-06 is much worse.

Got to shoot an FAL, SKS and Mauser, all firsts for me!

Naturally, this time I failed to bring any handguns, so everyone else bought theirs:mad:

Next time, let's rent a golf cart to go downrange. Either that or send Soda out with rations and water to change the targets.

Everything was great, untill I got back in NY and the traffic :barf:


Geoff Ross

K80Geoff
June 11, 2001, 02:21 PM
Deer figured in my activities all day. Driving to the shoot on I78 one ran out in front of me and stopped, in the middle lane. Turned and looked at me, it's antlers were starting to bud. Had to do some fancy driving to miss it.

Then I was shooting at the 300 yd target through the iron sights on my AR and that deer strolled right in front of my target! It almost bought it!

Going home I saw dozens of dead deer on the side of the interstate, doesn't New Jersey clean up its highways? What is the significance of all this? Is there some hidden message here? ( Gotta stop watching those X files reruns)


That 8MM wasnt bad, my milsurp 30-06 is much worse.

Got to shoot an FAL, SKS and Mauser, all firsts for me!

Naturally, this time I failed to bring any handguns, so everyone else bought theirs:mad:

Next time, let's rent a golf cart to go downrange. Either that or send Soda out with rations and water to change the targets.

Everything was great, untill I got back in NY and the traffic :barf:


Geoff Ross

Jamie Young
June 11, 2001, 03:02 PM
Geoff how about I drive down with my van and charge you $1 for every target I change for you? I'm the only one that had the guts to run down to 500yds change my targets and run back. I drove the second time around ;) I think I actually brought too many guns. I didn't get to shoot everything. Dead which rifle were you using to shoot clays with? You and your friend did pretty good with open sights. I went up there to set up all the clays and and the next thing I knew they all got picked off. Although I shot the last one :D

ArmySon when are you going to come to one of these?

dinosaur
June 11, 2001, 03:21 PM
I went to Boyer`s, which is a hardware store in Slatington. Never been before.

Marcus, Remember the Naval Luger we talked about? Shoulder stock in the wood case. $11,000!

Dead, You want a HP? Never been fired, shoulder stock and paperwork, $1900. I might go for that one myself.:eek:

Lots of surplus rifles. They had 3 used M1 A`s. One with a camouflage job and one that was a "squad weapon"? $1100 ea.
The other was made in the USA but I couldn`t check it real good. Either $600 or $700. I forget.

A 1911 .45 with stag grips. Not bad but the barrel looked worn. $600. Also a Colt Double Eagle. Never saw one. Ugly grips. Don`t recall the price.

Soda. They had a P9 for $519. Not a bad price considering they went up June 1st. Nite sites included.

Jamie Young
June 11, 2001, 03:23 PM
Where is Boyers?

Dead
June 11, 2001, 04:05 PM
SodaPop, SAR2.... Had the sights set to 300 yards for the first 20+ shots, then dropped it to 100 yards, and then one shot = one broken clay :) I think I only need to bring SAR2 with me, that is all. Oh yeah and about 345,254 rounds.

dinosaur, that HP a C&R?????

dinosaur
June 11, 2001, 05:26 PM
The HP must be C&R with a shoulder stock, no?

Slatington is about a 15 min. drive from exit 34 on the tpk.

Marcus
June 11, 2001, 07:15 PM
Dinosaur, that Artilery Luger sounds cool but I could buy a Lee Jurras custom .44 Automag with shoulder stock for that much! :D I have to bring more rifles next time, I missed out on the FAL fun. FAL,hmmm I better start saving up. ;) Marcus

Jamie Young
June 11, 2001, 09:20 PM
Geoff I have a funny feeling that deer saw you shooting out to 300yds and was kinda taunting you :) How did you do ? I don't think I saw your results the second time you shot down there? I think I was shooting clays with everyone else.

Marcus what other kind of rifles do you have? I think next time we should all run threw all the Military rifles one by one and test them all out. Dead bring the M1 Garand next time, the Mauser was a real treat. Thats the first time I ever got to shoot one. My buddy has a British Enfield I'll try and get him to bring it. He's one of those people that disappears when he has a girlfriend and he's hard to hang out with :( I have to beat some of my friends up to come.

Dead
June 11, 2001, 09:54 PM
Lets see if we can get one each of M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Model 1903 Springfield, AR15, K98 (M48) Mauser, Lee-Enfield, AK47 type, AK74 type, Stg58, Swedish Mauser 6.5mm, HK91, etc etc...

That would be a pretty decent sampling of "Military" rifles. ;) Oh yeah do they allow black powder up there?

Gonna ask some of my freind's from up there if they are going to come out to the next one in Sept. Should have AR's everywhere then.

Oh yeah are there any Big 5's out there in PA??? I keep hearing about them, but there is nothing like that in commi land.. :(

Jamie Young
June 11, 2001, 10:25 PM
I don't know anyone that has a big 5. I don't know if you can shoot them at Water and Wings. ACK I scanned my targets but It won't load ARRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH :mad: I have to get a digital camera probable easier to use. When are you going to get those pictures Dead?

Dead
June 11, 2001, 11:22 PM
Gotta wait for the email... I just hope my friend didnt send them to my work email... Ugh!!! So as soon as I get them, I will pick some out and post them.

Jamie Young
June 12, 2001, 04:25 PM
Can anyone get there hands on an M1 Carbine, P08 or P-38? Geoff has a Makarov and I have a Colt and a Beretta. What other handgun do we need?

Dead
June 12, 2001, 06:44 PM
If I could get an M1 Carbine I would of had one back in the 90's!

Marcus
June 12, 2001, 08:02 PM
I can bring my CZ-75B Military and I`ll probably be bringing some friends who have an Enfield Mk3, an M1 carbine (albeit a sucky one),another FAL and an AR. I can borrow a MAC-11 Carbine too, it`s not military but it`s militaryish. ;) Marcus

Jamie Young
June 12, 2001, 10:06 PM
does anyone have an M1A? How about Mosin Nagant?

darogue1
June 13, 2001, 08:13 AM
A M1 carbine WILL be there! Keek me advised gang!:D

Dead
June 13, 2001, 03:14 PM
Ok!!! Lets set a date for the September Meet!!! SodaPop, you up for setting a date?? Saturday's / Sunday's are good for me!!!




Also SodaPop,
I am sure I will be out that way again before Sept, I will drop you an email when I am heading out there.

SodaPop, check your Private Message!

Jamie Young
June 13, 2001, 04:09 PM
I am not sure I will be able to nail down a date yet because I have so much going on right now. I am thinking in Early September maybe the 8th or 9th. Thats the weekend after Labor day. But I really don't want to nail it down yet because its 3 months away and I have a lot going on right now. Keep that weekend in mind all!!! What private message??

I just picked up a Taurus 38 special I got to try out soon. I should have got it before the shoot this past weekend. Althought I didn't get to shoot most of my guns. For the Next shoot everyone bring there Military Rifles/Handguns and tons of ammo and each one of us should post a Critique of each firearm.

Dead
June 13, 2001, 07:14 PM
Those Mosin Nagets are like 40 bucks, wonder if they give Volume discounts ;) Too bad I cant find the M44 anywhere now??

Oh yeah SodaPop, when I asked if there were and Big 5's out there in PA, I was talking about a Store that sells Guns & Ammo Cheap!!! (Lots of Surplus guns). Also going to have re-zero my 308 for that new ammo I have, and pickup more if it does good! Getting it in @ 300 should make it alright @ 500. Those Clay Pigeons better watch out next time, as I think I will pick up a case of them.

Wonder if there is a place where we can shoot from different positions like prone, kneeling, sitting, offhand... I used to BIG time into shooting Matches, would like to get back into it!

Those National Match Course or awesome, so are the Infantry Trophy matches @ 300 yards!! Scoped rifle matches are pretty sweet also. The the last two you need two man teams though.

Dead
June 13, 2001, 11:02 PM
Edited. Will repost in another tread later.

I wonder what happened here?? bad 308 Bad! :(

http://members.spree.com/sci-fi/aowdead/bad308.jpg

Hmmm here is another view!

http://members.spree.com/sci-fi/aowdead/bad3082.jpg


Someone threw lot of this stuff away I think????? ;)

http://members.spree.com/sci-fi/aowdead/china308.jpg

Jamie Young
June 14, 2001, 08:24 AM
What gun was that out of that had the case separation? Dead you should start a new thread for the pictures.

Dead
June 14, 2001, 10:29 AM
SodaPop,

Yeah I should do that. Some of the pictures that got taken are not all that great, so I guess I will have to exclude those, or fix'em.


I also should have the M1A, and 1903 Springfield covered for the next meet. Gonna ask around to see what else I can get my hands on. I know someone that has a 460 Weatherby Mag, just wonder if they would let me borrow it :) Also going to bring out my beast, aka light weight 10ga!

Looks like my Dad is getting either a Mosin Naget, or M44 for Fatherday ;) (Getting it for him so I can use it :D )

Dead
June 14, 2001, 07:57 PM
hehe, ordered a few M44's Mosin Nagets!!! At 44 bucks each cant go wrong!

Should I get the five pack for 189??? One each of Russian, Polish, Romanian, Hungarian, and ??????

Who's got the ammo?

Jamie Young
June 14, 2001, 08:35 PM
What is that 7.62x54?

Dead
June 14, 2001, 08:37 PM
Yeah they are 7.62x54R

Jamie Young
June 14, 2001, 08:42 PM
AmmoMan has it!!

K80Geoff
June 16, 2001, 02:24 PM
Where did my picture go?

Don't tell me it destroyed the database, don't tell Rich!

All this talk about military weapons is making me feel inadequate. I only have the AR and the Makarov. Have to buy a lot of Ammo.

I do want an SAR2 and an FAL, thanks to you guys:( Just when I thought I had everything I need!


Geoff Ross

Dead
June 16, 2001, 03:11 PM
K80Geoff,

I have to post in another thread. Didnt upload them yet.... Also, can you EVER have "enough" ;) Each one is totally different. Get the SAR-2, and mags while they are cheap!!!!! I mean 240 for the rifle and either $20 for a 4 pack of mags and a pouch for used or $30 for NEW!!!! Ammo is only 100bucks a 1000 at shows also.

SodaPop,

Would you like to sell your 1MOA FAL???? ;) Well if not I will bring some of that Heindenburger Germany Surplus ammo for it to eat.... :D (Try to get K80 to buy a FAL also) hehe

Jamie Young
June 16, 2001, 03:26 PM
Its Hirtenburger and yes bring some for my FAL to eat :) and a Hamburger for me to eat :D .

Well Geoff All I have is the SKS,FAL,Colt1991A1 and the Beretta 92fs ;) Actually the next gun I get is probable going to be a 50BMG or maybe a G36. I don't know if I can get a G36 without a Class III.

Dead
June 16, 2001, 03:32 PM
SodaPop, better make that a Class III dealer Sample!!!! So you need umm a FFL01, SOT, and LE Letter saying the Dept wants a demo of said G36.....

Jamie Young
June 16, 2001, 03:38 PM
I emailed a few dealers online and nobody carries them. I think since its a fairly new gun they aren't in circulation except for Military.

Dead
June 17, 2001, 08:01 AM
SodaPop, get an M16, or AK... I have seen those for 5000-5700. For registered receiver guns!

Jamie Young
June 17, 2001, 10:28 AM
I actually looked into it already. In the Full Auto Forum I asked about the AC-556 rifle. I think the Ac-556 and the AK's are the least money and the M16 is way up there in price. Some of the Ak'
s and AC556's were around $3000. I never saw any M16's for under about $8000

Dead
June 17, 2001, 11:10 AM
I have seen NON-Colt receiver guns for about 5k (used)or so when it comes to M16's!

If you find an AK in Very Good condition for 3k let me know.. I will move to PA, and get it!!!! :D

Jamie Young
June 17, 2001, 11:54 AM
I've been told over at FULL AUTO that the only thing cheaper than the AC556 are the Grease Guns and some AK's or Mac's

Dead
June 18, 2001, 09:46 AM
SodaPop, I have been wanting a 50 for awhile, BUT I would rather drop that kind of money on a NFA Gun(s). About the only 50 I want is the Barret M82a1. @ 6-7k though OUCH! If you do get one try to get it before the next meet :D

Dead
June 18, 2001, 06:59 PM
http://subguns.biggerhammer.net/nfaad.cgi?read=52810

Check that link Out SodaPop, Colt M16's for $5600

Jamie Young
June 18, 2001, 07:23 PM
Thats an A1 I'd rather have an A2. I want an AC556 because I already have a bunch of Hi Cap mags for my Mini. I like the 3rd bursts and the the Semi/ Full Auto option.

Dead
June 22, 2001, 06:27 PM
SodaPop get one then!!!!! You will just need to find another range to shoot her!!!! Since you said they dont allow automatics there????

I have seen them for like 2.7-3k not bad at all. (well they only should be 500-600 :( )

Jamie Young
June 22, 2001, 07:20 PM
Someday!!! Right now I need lots of range time with my Colt and my FAL. Whats up with those pictures?

Dead
June 24, 2001, 05:29 PM
SodaPop, I will today, I will be home later.... hmmm wait I think I have them on CD here in my bag??