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ReserveCop
March 1, 2001, 09:39 AM
NOT in theory.

NOT by trying to engage it on purpose.

But in REAL LIFE, has the new "PC" 870 safety ever engaged, by mistake, while you were REALLY using this firearm?

(A note to Erick -- Moderator: yes, I have used the search function, but this question, to the best of my knowledge, has not been specifcally asked before.)

Thanks for your opinions.

Al Thompson
March 1, 2001, 09:49 AM
I've had the old style get locked up due to poor gun handling skills. We do not need any additional gadgets to increase the chances of a user induced malfunction.

Besides, the new safety is new. I strongly suspect we'll have a raft of horror stories on them.

A quick note - surveying this crowd for incidents that involve malfunctions will probably get you "witness" stories. There is a really high level of skill with these people and their powers of observation are pretty good. Just don't expect to find a lot of "it happened to me" stuff. Most have learned from others mistakes.

Giz

jthuang
March 1, 2001, 12:12 PM
Ditto Gizmo -- I believe the problems with the new 870 lock were publicized initially by John Farnam, a well known and respected firearms instructor. If he says it happened, I believe it.

Justin

Correia
March 1, 2001, 02:14 PM
Well, I sorta kinda did it on accident once. :(

The local gunstore had just gotten a new marine magnum in with the key lock safety. I started playing with the gun (having never noticed the keyed safety before) and then it ended up locked. I thought I had broken it. (Point of interest I had previously broken another gun there a few months before-faulty pin in a Hesse FAL cocking handle-while handling it, so I got a sinking feeling real quick thinking I had managed to break another).

Apparently while manipulating the gun I somehow twisted the safety button, thereby locking it.

I hate the new safety.

old hawk
March 2, 2001, 07:13 AM
yes it happened to me on a hunt,am not happy with the r+d boys at rem.thats one reason why i did the 870 page to chop some email useage down.
http://members.fortunecity.com/oldvalkyry/870.html
main site
http://members.fortunecity.com/oldvalkyry/index.html

Zoosh
March 4, 2001, 02:24 AM
It seems like it would be very convenient to have
the ability to lock a gun so it can't be used or
tampered with. Not everyone has the possibility of
having a gun safe, and while a gun safe is the ideal
way to store a gun when it is unattended (ie, while
the owner is at work, etc), if there is no safe,
then a lock like this would be the way to go,
IF...

1. It would need to be impossible to activate the
lock without using the key. This would make it
impossible to lock accidentally.

2. The lock itself should be as secure as, say,
a high-quality bicycle lock (Kryptonite, etc).
In other words, if the gun is locked, it should be
impossible to fire it or manipulate the action, except
by someone who is highly skilled or who has access
to specialized tools. This is just like a Kryptonite
lock: a highly skilled person might be able to pick it,
and a person with a grinder could open it, but otherwise,
it's not opening.

3. It should not increase the chances of jams
or malfunctions.

Given those three IFs, locks like this would be a good
option on a gun, because it just provides another
way to store it, like if you have to leave it at
home without a safe, or in the trunk of a car, or
whatever.

Designing something that meets those three criteria
should certainly be possible, but it sounds like the
Remington lock isn't it.

I'm glad that I got my 870 Marine just before they
started putting these locks on them.

GHILLIE
March 4, 2001, 02:40 PM
I have a Remington 5012(Marine Magnum) with the new keyed safety, and a ADL 308 with the new safety installed on the rear of the bolt. I have never had it engage by itself or by me using the safety. However, when I was looking to buy my 5012, the first one that I handled, the lock on the safefty would "almost" lock while pushing the safety on/off. It would hang up just a little bit, and then with a second push it would release. Didn't trust that one. IMO, a built in lock is not a bad idea, but I dont like the new design on the safety. I think they could have come up with something better.

Ghillie

ReserveCop
March 4, 2001, 07:11 PM
If you had the new "PC" safety on your 870 used for defense, what would you do to make it better (i.e. not locking by accident)?

If there anything you can do?

Thanks for your opinions.

Correia
March 5, 2001, 02:24 PM
ReserveCop, you can buy an aftermarket safety and replace it. Several companies sell the jumbo kind.

Alfadog
March 5, 2001, 05:40 PM
NOT in theory.

NOT by trying to engage it on purpose.

But in REAL LIFE, has the new "PC" 870 safety ever engaged, by mistake, while you were REALLY using this firearm?

I sure wouldn't want to be the first.

crow slayer
March 5, 2001, 06:59 PM
Not yet, but I sure aint going to bet my life that it wouldn't!
CS