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Canine
February 21, 2001, 01:40 AM
My vote is for the CZ 97B. The accuracy is excellent, as are the ergonomics, balance, and handling. The weight and grip design allow for easy rapid fire (like a 9mm). My runner up is the Ruger P97.

Glock_Racer
February 21, 2001, 03:06 AM
The Glock 21 is by far the most superior pistol I've ever fired. Plus you can customize, accessorize, tantalize...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Rob96
February 21, 2001, 05:17 AM
For me , the best value .45 has been my Charles Daly FS model 1911. I know others may have had bad experiences, but I have had no problems in something like 800 rounds. 100 of them rounds have been Hydrashoks, and no problems. The gun has excellent accuracy too.

plateshooter
February 21, 2001, 07:14 AM
EAA Witness or P97.

V-MAX
February 21, 2001, 07:49 AM
hello...

the ruger p-90... ruger p-97... and for a sub-compact... the republic arms patriot... all american made firearms...

regards... v.

[Edited by V-MAX on 02-21-2001 at 08:19 AM]

Kevinch
February 21, 2001, 08:58 AM
Best Value, in my mind, has to be the base Kimber 1911 - the Custom
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/Custom_Medium.jpg
Match grade aluminum trigger group, match grade barrel & chamber, upswept beavertail grip safety, nice tight fitting (these guns don't rattle), etc.
It won't be the least expensive .45ACP you can buy, but it is a solid value for the money - you should be able to find it in the $625-$650 range without difficulty.

Kevin

Nodakmarine
February 21, 2001, 10:06 AM
My vote would be for the EAA witness. I like mine well enough, and for under $300, it's a pretty good deal.

Warm Bore
February 21, 2001, 10:29 AM
Well,

I'm going to have to give the nod to the Daly FS models as well. Not knowing much about them I wasn't sure if my buddy made the right choice in a 1911. However, after our initial range session I'm convinced it is a quality firearm. He purchases his at a gunshow for ~$380. I have a Kimber Custom Classic (as shown by Kevinch) with wood grips and I'm starting to wonder why I paid almost twice as much as I needed to. A few things I'm not too keen on with the Daly is the ambi-safety and the extended slide release. I also prefer wood or Hogue grips and a matte finish on the frame and slide. But these are very minor IMO. The Daly is tight and accurate. The trigger is a bit mushy out of the box but I think it will smooth out over time. Between the two of us we sent ~200 rounds downrange. I had my Kimber along and got to comparison shoot them side-by-side. The Daly stayed with my Kimber all the way. We had two or three FTF's on the first round with one of the factory magazines. But I had several mags with me and they all worked perfectly. Field stripping revealed clean internals though heavily oiled. No burrs or machining marks to be found as is the same for my Kimber. All in all it's an impressive gun for the money. Gryphon, if you're lurking around here, why not chime in on your new 1911 gem.

Regards,

Warm Bore

George Hill
February 21, 2001, 10:57 AM
Star FIRESTAR .45, you could get them for about $200 for awhile there and these guns are still around.
They are by no means as perfect handgun - but they function well, concealable and are accurate enough for CQB work.

Star and Astra merged into one company some time ago and I think are out of business now.
Parts for the Firestars are still around - but you have to find the sources.

If some are to be believed, they suggest the Hi Point... but I'ld rather sing the entire score of H.M.S. PINAFORE butt-nekked in a public park before I'ld depend on a Hi Point for defense.

If you want a good pistol thats on par with the best of the best - you can find used HK USP .45s for sale for around 400. I saw one for 395. Thats BEST VALUE in my opinion.
Even if the USP is beat up - it is still a fantastic fighting handgun.

Tropical Z
February 21, 2001, 11:15 AM
Definitely the Ruger P-97,if the ergonomics fit you.

TCW
February 21, 2001, 12:59 PM
Ruger P97

BB
February 21, 2001, 01:08 PM
Best value is going to be one of the following: Ruger (blech!) Charles Daly and EAA Witness.

IZZY
February 21, 2001, 01:50 PM
The new Colt 1991A1. Colt has superior steel, they seem to be back up to older and better quality standards as well. Get the stainless and you'll have a gun for your grand-kids.

leedesert
February 21, 2001, 03:05 PM
Ruger P97

Use to own own and it was a great pistol. At $370 it was a steal.

Don Gwinn
February 21, 2001, 03:32 PM
A used SIG 220 has been my favorite. Used with slight holster wear and just a little bluing worn off the outside of the barrel, it's more accurate than I am, comfortable, simple to operate--in short, a great gun. I love those sights, too. And by buying it used I got a gun that functions like new for less than $500.

Dr.Rob
February 21, 2001, 03:35 PM
Ruger P97, its butt ugly and its big enough to BE a double stack..but it will work and its reasonably priced. Just over $350 should be a good price.

I haven't seen that new CZ but it looks interesting too, and it holds 10rds. Might be worth a look. $350-400 should be right.

In the "good old days" A Colt 1991a1 wouldn't set you back too much, thats still one of my faves. $450-500 is what they SHOULD sell for.

krept
February 21, 2001, 03:57 PM
Chalk another one up for the Ruger P97

glockgazda
February 21, 2001, 04:49 PM
I'd say THE best value is Ruger P-90 (or P-97 is it proves as accurate and durable). It works, it's tuff and accurate (unlike other Ruger semi centerfires). The mags are cheap.

Another best value brings shootability and ergonomics into equation. That would be G-30.

RWK
February 21, 2001, 04:51 PM
Basic Springfield 1911A1

Bartholomew Roberts
February 21, 2001, 05:32 PM
CZ-97 hands down. For $350-400 you get great looking gun, that is ultra-reliable and quite accurate.

I have yet to see a single CZ pistol that wouldn't be a bargain at retail+$200.

Son of HK
February 21, 2001, 05:42 PM
.45 USP, compact or full sized, stainless or not. Greatest polymer guns ever. Kimber Pro Carry SLE. 750 NIB. Don't forget the Witness. I hear they have bad customer service, but I never had to send mine in.

Old Reb
February 21, 2001, 05:46 PM
Glock 21 or 30

gryphon
February 21, 2001, 06:16 PM
Hey warm bore just saw the topic.

I am very pleased with the Daly. My first experience shooting a 1911 was Warm Bore's Kimber. I knew that the 1911 would get to my collection some day. Money is really no limiting factor for me, so I would not mind paying the extra $200 or $300 dollars for a comperable 1911 if it was warranted. So far, the Chuck Daly is floating my boat. The FTF's that we had at the range were because I fully loaded the 8 rounds mags. We lightened the factory mags to 7 rounds and presto! I know that the USA magazines that we tried did not lock the slide back when the magazine was empty on the CD, but the Kimber did not lock back either.

In my opinion, I made a great choice in 1911.

Griff
February 21, 2001, 06:27 PM
My favorites are the P220 and the Glock 21. For under $300 I'd say the EAA Witness.

9mmepiphany
February 21, 2001, 06:51 PM
the best value: price, accuracy, reliability, durability and ergonomics - this has got to be the ruger 97...its big and tough because it was originally designed to handle the pressure and battering of the 10MM round

i like the EAA witness design because of the option of condition 1 carry and the lower bore line in relation to the shooting hand.

Oris
February 21, 2001, 07:13 PM
CZ-97B is in $460-480 price range, not $350-400. It's perfectly designed .45, and quality of manufacturing is very good. DA/SA trigger and accuracy is excellent, at ;east the one I own proves that. I think it may be the best all around general purpose pistol in .45 ACP. If it were under $350, it would be also the best value, but I guess Ruger should be given #1 as the best value.

PigPen
February 21, 2001, 07:27 PM
The new Colt 1991A1. Colt has superior steel, they seem to be back up to older and better quality standards as well. Get the stainless and you'll have a gun for your grand-kids.

Izzy,

Do you want to rethink this? Do you have any bona fides?

PigPen

Cmc
February 21, 2001, 07:46 PM
Guys I vote the best value is Ruger P-97 ($380 out the door) as far as new guns go.
I got a para ord P-13(4 1/4" barrel) and it is about the same size but $600, the P-97 is corrosion resistance and reliable.
It would be nice if ruger will shorten and thinned the grip some.
Ruger are you listening!!!

blades67
February 21, 2001, 07:55 PM
The SIG Sauer P220. I haven't had a single malfunction in over 2400 rounds with this pistol. Also, as I already owned a P226, I didn't have to buy another holster to carry it.

Bradl45
February 21, 2001, 08:42 PM
Since were talking about value, to me meaning good bang for the buck, great function, great satisfaction, and great resale, I'd have to pick a Wilson CQB or a Les Baer TRS or PII. They cost more but I consider them great bang for the buck. The Wilson or Baer are semi-custom production shops that make a fine pistol. They are accurate, reliable, good looking, and a great value. Some might disagree, but give them time, I think in time most of us gravitate towards great things. Everyone needs a great .45, you deserve it.

The next step up in value would be a 1911 .45 from a big name one man shop, truely something you'll hand down from generation to generation.

Good day

Brad

BobCA
February 21, 2001, 08:44 PM
The Ruger P97. CZ would be the runner-up.

Tamara
February 21, 2001, 10:50 PM
Ruger P97.

I've also had plenty of good experiences with the Taurus PT-945.

Mal H
February 21, 2001, 11:00 PM
For value, my vote goes to the CZ-97B. Haven't tried the Ruger P97, but with all the votes it's getting, I will.

Marko Kloos
February 21, 2001, 11:12 PM
I'd consider the RUger P-97 as the best bang for the buck as far as .45s go. Also worth a look are the Firestorm 1911 clones...a lot of decent gun for the money, and they usually run $300-ish. Finally, there's the EAA Witness, which is a CZ-75 clone made by Tanfoglio in Italy...that one comes in all major pistol calibers, including .45 ACP.

Zorro
February 21, 2001, 11:33 PM
Ballester-Molina

http://www.cruffler.com/historic-september99.html



Grade 1: $239.00 plus $10.00 shipping

Get them here: http://www.cruffler.com/JLD.html

Colt 1911 copy for less than $300, can't beat that.

aficionado
February 21, 2001, 11:33 PM
i have a bottom of the line kimber (stainless custom classic with adjustable sights) that ranks as the best value in my .45 ACP collection. the gun is quite accurate, happens to have an excellent trigger (some folks say that varies on kimbers), and it works all the time.

Bob Locke
February 22, 2001, 03:57 AM
For me, that doesn't mean "least expensive", as someone else also stated. It means good return for the money invested.

I haven't shot the CZ-97B, but if it's anything like its brethren then it has to be at or near the top of the list. I have shot the Ruger P90 and P97, and think highly of them as well. If you're looking to buy the budget model, get the Ruger.

All that being said, I own a Glock 21 and have been nothing but happy with my choice. I've got probably 2000 rounds or so through it with nary a hiccup. And accuracy has been much better than simply "acceptable". And I suspect that I'll still be shooting that pistol when a lot of others have been retired.

Clemmo
February 22, 2001, 02:16 PM
My vote goes to the Sig 220 and the Glock 30.

I had a Kimber and got rid of it.

IronBalls
February 22, 2001, 02:47 PM
Kimber Custom Classic Royal. High polished sides, shoots like a dream. Paid $550 almost 3 years ago. Best gun ive ever shot.

OF
February 23, 2001, 12:49 AM
Ruger P97: there it is. :)

Kimber basic Classic Custom: the blued model would make a great base 1911 for custom work down the road.

Springfield full-size 'loaded' PX9151: this is the fixed-sight model in stainless.


- gabe

Hard Ball
February 23, 2001, 12:14 PM
I agree with Canine. The CZ97B is probably the best .45 automatic on the market. I say probably because it is a large pistol and will nt fit everyones hands. If it fits you you can't find a better pistol.