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Grapeshot
January 31, 2001, 01:06 PM
I find myself wanting a nice semi-automatic .30/06 for hunting and general purpose use, but can't decide between these 2 rifles.

I know the Garand is heavier, but I shot one not long ago, and, well I'm in love! Oh the history of it, the inexpensive stripper clips ...

My problem is that because of poor vision, I require scopes on all of my rifles. I know the BAR is more easily scoped, but it can't be as sturdy and the freakin' magazines are like 35 bucks a piece ...

So is it possible to scope a Garand? If not, looks like I'm stuck with the BAR ...

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
January 31, 2001, 02:49 PM
Grapeshot,

Yes it is possible to scope a Garand. S&K makes a mount that sits where the rear sight is. Fulton Armory sells it. You can see it at their website: http://www.fulton-armory.com/

Look under the M1 Garand Stuff section. Scroll a bit more than halfway down and click on the link for a bigger picture. Hope this helps.

M1911
January 31, 2001, 04:59 PM
How about an M1A? Lighter than a Garand (ok, not by much). More easily scoped than a Garand.

Personally, for hunting I prefer a bolt-action rifle. Much lighter. I've got Garands and an M1A. I would not be interested in lugging them over hill and dale (along with my backpack).

But whatever floats your boat...

M1911

Grapeshot
January 31, 2001, 05:57 PM
I wish I could afford an M1A.
As for the Remington, my dad's just self-destructed so I don't think much of the 7400 ...

4V50 Gary
January 31, 2001, 09:30 PM
My dream gun...

A M1 Garand with a M1D scope mounting system, Nigerian pistol grip stock, NM sights, lugged and bedded, and detachable BAR magazine. A Somers type flash suppressor from Smith Enterprise would complete the picture. OK, the disadvantage would be the pistol grip and BAR mag since your prone position would be higher than normal, but this is just for fun.

Nodakmarine
January 31, 2001, 11:12 PM
I'll take the Garand any day of the week over any other semi-auto .30-06 out there. Granted the Garand can be a little more tricky to mount a scope on than either the BAR or Remington rifles. What to me makes the difference is that the Garand can be stripped apart and cleaned without a bunch of special tools. Never worked on a BAR before but I know that the Remington's are a beast to take apart to clean and aren't very reliable if they aren't spotless. Want to hear a click or a bang when you see that trophy buck pop up?

echo3mike
January 31, 2001, 11:52 PM
Don't know much about the BAR, but I know alot about humping gear in the boonies. Every friggin' ounce will increase your percieved exertion by an order of magnitude.

The M1 Garand is a KISS simple weapon. If these were the only choices, the M1 would be mine. Plus you can use the weight differential as more ammo! It can be scoped with a degree of success,(although the weird cheek weld and sight alignment sits poorly with my Marine makrsmanship lessons),is tough as nails, and the parts are easily replaced.

Regards,
S.

Grapeshot
February 1, 2001, 01:24 PM
If so, how do you like it scoped?

4V50 Gary
February 1, 2001, 01:37 PM
I have a scoped M1 and it was done by the gubmint (M1D).

kgs
February 1, 2001, 07:24 PM
If you are deer hunting, chances are you will be still hunting, so weight shouldn't be an issue. (we here in Michigan hunt deer mainly from blinds and tree stands.)
I plan to use my 11.5# M1A this year for deer. A buddy of mine uses his M1 to deer hunt with iron sights and has had much success. ( I realize you require optics.)

Anyway, it's hard to beat the romanticism of the M1! ;)



kgs.

Grapeshot
February 2, 2001, 09:54 AM
That's just it, the romanticism of the gun that helped defeat the forces of darkness ... and may one day do so again.

Steve Smith
February 2, 2001, 11:12 AM
Grapeshot...someone mentionsed the M1A...well, you might not be able to afford an M1A, but how about a Polytech or Norince M14? That should run you between $50 and $700, and will be a good rifle. You can upgrade the bolt later. Just another option.

Casey
February 3, 2001, 03:59 PM
I bought the comercial scope mount for my M1, and it works very well, except for the above mentioned weird angles that you have to use with your head.

You also need to realize that with shooting the 30/06 with a scope, control of the rifle is important. Treat this as a 22-250 or .223 Rem, and the scope will jump up and give you a scar on your forehead.

Casey

alan
February 3, 2001, 07:48 PM
The M-1 (Garand), if I remember correctly, can be scoped. The mount would be on left side of the rifle, and I do not believe that the scope would block the rifles top loading characterists.

You would likely want a lace-on cheek piece though, as I thing the scope would be fairly high above the bore. Unfortunately, I cannot offer and information on who does the mount.

swampyMO
February 4, 2001, 09:14 AM
Casey,

I also am interested in a scope mount for an M1.

Is this some sort of "clamp on" mount or does it require some gunsmithing??

Does it mar the surface of the receiver in any way??

Who makes it and where can I find one??

How precice is it??

I don't need it to be that precise as far as returning to the same zero after being taken off & re-mounted, but wanted to know if it seemed to be solid enough that it didn't move between shots.

The only reason I'd want my M1 scoped is for a bit more precise group testing in my load developement. My aging eyes sometimes make it questionable as to the groups I'm getting. If I had a way to get a really good accurate load for the particular rifle I'm using, then if things are not up to par on any particular match or practice session, then I know the problem lies somewhere other than the accuracy of the ammo.......

Thanks for any info..

Swampy

alan
February 4, 2001, 01:07 PM
As was mentioned, the M-1D "sniper rifle" was scoped. If you have the opportunity to actually saee one, with scope mounted, or look at some detailed photos, this might help interested parties.

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
February 4, 2001, 06:11 PM
SWAMPY,

The S & K mount doesn't require any smithing. You simply remove the rear sight and drop it in. It comes with 1" rings included. I've never had any problems with it- very stable. Check my post above for the Fulton Armory link. You can also order it direct from S & K- http://www.scopemounts.com/