View Full Version : Most accurate sub gun?
January 16, 2001, 03:22 AM
OK I know this is not what they are designed for, but I'm just curios what the most accurate submachien gun is and what kind of groups it can make at say 50 or 100 yards.
I remember reading the MP5 was considered very accurate due to it's closed bolt operation, any other guns in it's class or better accuracy wise?
Thanks for any help, Blue Duck
January 16, 2001, 10:59 AM
My vote for most accurate (or potentially the most accurate) would be the HKs, MP5 or UMP.
January 16, 2001, 12:15 PM
I'll second the MP5. Won't have possession of a UMP for a few months, let you know then. If the UMC is any indication, it is going to be really good.
January 16, 2001, 01:33 PM
By far the most accurate SMG i have ever fired is the H7K MP%.
January 16, 2001, 10:38 PM
So what kind of accuracy are we talking about for an MP5, 2-3 inch at 50 yards reasonable?
Thanks, Blue Duck
January 16, 2001, 11:05 PM
This topic came up on another board, and it was pointed out that it may depend on whether you are talking about one shot or a burst. Since the question is about subguns, bursts seem more to the point. A closed-bolt gun will have a more accurate first shot, but may not be as easy to hold on target after that. One guy said after the first shot, an Uzi holds the target better than an MP5, I guess because it has more weight up front. A Swedish K might be even more accurate; you can empty a whole 71-round drum onto an IPSC target at 30 yards. Any of the older heavy subguns (Thompson, Lanchester, MP28, MP34, ERMA, Steyr-Solothurn, etc.) would be similar. Properly set up MAC's have often beaten MP's in subgun competitions where no-shoots make accuracy critical.
January 17, 2001, 08:31 AM
Sorry, I should have posed the question more clearly. I mean semi auto groups of say 5 shots off a bench.
Thanks, Blue Duck
January 17, 2001, 09:47 AM
the Colt 9mm AR15 variant subgun would have to be a close 2nd, if that.
January 17, 2001, 06:30 PM
I've never owned one, but the guns at http://www.tromix.com look very accurate. They sell AR15 uppers in calibers like .44 magnum and .50 AE, which are technically submachine guns, but they're accurate enough to hunt with. In a real sense, though, the MP5 would probably be the most accurate.
January 30, 2001, 06:47 PM
After demo-ing for a private security firm, they went for the MP5-A2 for it's controllability under sustained fire. The colt 9mm variant was also fairly accurate.
January 31, 2001, 09:51 PM
I'm inclined to think that the closed bolt smgs like the HK MP5 or UMP are more accurate than the open bolt since the "lurch" of the open bolt gun can throw you off slightly. Accuracy is a factor which depends on the operator and the condition of the firearm. Remember that sustained full auto fire wears out a barrel faster than anything else (besides enthusiastic scrubbing with a sectionalized steel rod and stainless steel brush). Furthest we ever fired in practice was at 75 yards and with iron sights, we went for the chest. We have an old thread here where some folks went beyond 100 yards.
February 2, 2001, 12:20 PM
I've shot the Uzi, MP5 and Tommy gun in full auto and in burst. My personal preference is the Uzi followed by the MP5. Tommy gun wasn't that bad either.
February 2, 2001, 01:46 PM
The Thompson may b obsdlte, but it is a lovable gun and a great deal of fun to shoot!
February 2, 2001, 03:41 PM
Uzi's suck for accuracy! Auto or semi, they stink.
February 4, 2001, 07:06 PM
Hm. Spartacus says he can keep his hits to 200 yards on a paper plate, from prone.
I have only fired his burp gun once, but the Uzi's weight and the 9mm round certainly made it very controllable.
March 23, 2001, 09:39 AM
No, I said a circle of a full size dinner plate. (Those extra inches between a standard paper plate and the full size dinner plate count:) I'm not talking a 'group' here-more like a diagonal string with one bullet at around 8 o'clock, one more or less in the center, and one about two o'clock) With three shot bursts not sustained full auto. But then if I need full auto beyond three shot bursts, I really need a beltfed,in my opinion.
Oh, Robert, what kind of accuracy you looking for? I've never fired an H&K SMG so I can't compare but firing three shot bursts at twenty yards at head sized targets...I'd be willing to go for head shots at that distance in a real situation. Much further than that and I'll take a rifle.
March 23, 2001, 12:48 PM
1931 Suomi SMG, esp. when equipped with a bipod.
March 24, 2001, 06:51 AM
Throw my vote to the MP5. I've shot it alongside other SMG's at 200 yds, and was really very impressed with the relative accuracy of the MP5. Add in the fact that it actually possesses good sights with which one can utilize the improved inherent accuracy, and you end up with practical accuracy.
The UZI's problem is really that its sights don't allow for precise shooting under ANY circumstances.
The Thompson SMG has adequate sights, but that open bolt creates quite a lurch after you squeeze the trigger.
[snort] What?! No votes for Madsons, Ingrams, or Riesings? :) (heh)
[Edited by Long Path on 03-26-2001 at 02:00 PM]
March 24, 2001, 07:48 AM
The MP5 is the most accurate. I own two as well as a 9mm coversion for my m16. In full auto there is no comparison. The MP5 is so smooth while the Colt 9mm tends to be jerky. The Uzi isn't in the same ball park. A transferable MP5 will cost you around $8000 and so will the Colt. You can get an Uzi for less than $3000. That should tell you something.
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