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F23Blackwidow2
June 15, 2013, 12:37 PM
I'm looking into putting together a budget compitition .22. I plan on getting a Savage MkII FV (If I can find one in stock) and putting a target stock on it. But I degress.

What's the best starter target/long range .22 round? I know Eley is real good, but the price is REALLY high (budget remember :)) and I don't want to pay $100 for a box of 500. I have also heard Augila Super Extra and Super Match are good. Any suggestions?

Also, could you please tell me where I can find the stuff, because the stores around me just have federal bulk, Remington golden, and other stuff like that.

Thanks,
Ken

B.L.E.
June 15, 2013, 01:14 PM
You might try this ammo, that's a 5 shot group at 50 yards, admittedly shot in an indoor range but I was testing the accuracy of various brands of ammo, not my ability to read crosswinds.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u260/ben_eberle/088.jpg

4EVERM-14
June 15, 2013, 04:01 PM
Good quality standard velocity .22's are not going to be cheap. Lower grades of Eley [Club, Target,Sport] are good choices as is Wolf.
RWS 'Target' or SK Jagd 'Rifle Match' will probably outshoot anything domestic except maybe Federal '711'. With the run on .22's these days I can't say if any are available.
Try www.champchoice.com orwww.creedmoresports.com

CharlieDeltaJuliet
June 15, 2013, 04:04 PM
SK/Lapua would be my choice...

Old Stony
June 15, 2013, 05:40 PM
I tested a bunch .22's one time through a model 52 winchester once with a 24 power Redfield on it. The winchester standard velocity proved to outshoot even the Eley in that rifle.

B.L.E.
June 15, 2013, 09:29 PM
I understand that Wolf rimfire ammo is actually made by Lapua.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
June 15, 2013, 09:48 PM
Yep... Wolf match and SK Plus are the same IIRC

scottys1
June 15, 2013, 10:05 PM
It doesn't hurt to give bargain ammo an honest try. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I've found that CCI Blazer gives the best 50yd groups from both my Marlins, 880SQ and 7000T. It surprisingly beats several kinds of standard velocity ammo including CCI Green tag and three flavors of cheaper Eley ammo.

WESHOOT2
June 16, 2013, 09:18 AM
YOUR gun will not know the cost, brand, or reputation of its ammo.

I suggest starting at the bottom of the price ladder, and working your way upward in price until your personal performance goals are met.

Jimro
June 16, 2013, 09:24 AM
Things to try:

Federal Automatch
Federal Gold Medal Match
Aguila Eley Prime Club
Aguila Eley Prime Match
Wolf Match
Federal Champion Target

Some are pricier than others. Good luck.

Jimro

Bart B.
June 19, 2013, 09:45 AM
The US Olympic Team has learned that some lots of Eley Match (black box) shoots as accurate as Eley Tenex.

I think you need to shoot 20-shot groups with rimfire ammo testing for accuracy. With all the variables in ammo as well as having to hold the rifle still near 3 times as long as a high power rifle after the firing pin smacks the case, few-shot groups don't tell much with .22 long rifle ammo.

The amount of torque on the stock screws also makes a difference. Try different amount of inch-pounds of torque and see what happens. Most bolt action rifles seem to do best with between 20 and 30 inch pounds of torque. And the barrel has to be totally free floating.

F23Blackwidow2
June 20, 2013, 04:27 PM
I have heard a lot of good things about Wolf match ammo. I will definitely try it out. For testing, should I clean the barrel after each ammo, or does it matter? Thanks,
Ken

Bart B.
June 20, 2013, 05:39 PM
I'd clean the barrel after each 50 shots. Some ammo's dirty enough that you gotta clean after 25 shots.

richrd1
June 21, 2013, 07:51 PM
you really need to let the gun tell you what it wants.

I have a good rifle that is very picky about what it wants, (wolf is one it like in most lots), and a cheaper rifle that will shoot any standard velocity very well.

LAH
June 23, 2013, 03:02 PM
The great thing about finding the correct ammo for your rifle is all the shooting you do. The shooting will help you learn the disciple you choose.

m_liebst
June 24, 2013, 07:16 PM
I've found that CCI Blazer gives the best 50yd groups from both my Marlins, 880SQ and 7000T. It surprisingly beats several kinds of standard velocity ammo including CCI Green tag and three flavors of cheaper Eley ammo.

I agree,.. The CCI Blazer gave me tighter group averages when I compared them to CCI SV. But then again, this is out of a semi-auto non match reamed carbine ruger 1022:rolleyes:

m_liebst
June 24, 2013, 07:26 PM
100.00 for a brick of Target/Match .22lr ammo is actually in the low to mid range price. WolfMatch, n Fiocchi SM are some of the lower priced...... atleast of what I've purchased before the whole ammo crisis started:cool:
Use to get a brick of Wolf match for 65.00 a brick at the gunshow, and Fiocchi SM320 for about 8.00 per 50pk at Big Five.

B.L.E.
June 25, 2013, 06:22 AM
If you want quality ammo, you gotta pay for it just like we did in the "good ol' days".

$100 in 2013 = $15.75 in 1969 adjusted for inflation.
Now it doesn't seem that expensive anymore.

SVTCobra306
June 25, 2013, 09:25 AM
I haven't shot groups with it, but my 10/22 seems to like Federal Automatch. I happened upon some a few weeks ago and grabbed it for $17.95 for 325 rds, and shot a steel match with it. My 10/22 was sighted in with mini mags, but it hit steel with every shot I didn't screw up (missed twice out of 40). Eventually I'll get around to putting shots on paper with them.

LAH
June 25, 2013, 06:01 PM
My Anschutz loves the Fed Auto Match.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Creekerpics/Firearms/Anschultz/DSC04912.jpg (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/Creekerpics/media/Firearms/Anschultz/DSC04912.jpg.html)

B.L.E.
June 26, 2013, 05:54 AM
My Anschutz loves the Fed Auto Match.


Range? I'm assuming 50 yards.

LAH
June 26, 2013, 08:19 AM
Yes Sir, 50 yards. I need to update the picture as it now wears a T-36 Weaver.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Creekerpics/Firearms/Anschultz/DSC04905.jpg (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/Creekerpics/media/Firearms/Anschultz/DSC04905.jpg.html)

velocette
June 26, 2013, 11:05 PM
With match grade .22 rf ammo, as others have said, you pays for what you gets.
You can find some less expensive ammo that will give you some impressive 3 or 5 shot groups. Then when you go on to several 5 shot groups, you find that you get what is charitably called "fliers". That's a round that gives you the unexpected 9 or worse, an 8. Variations in priming mix, powder charge, bullet weight, bullet lubrication, bullet shape, bullet crimp, brass thickness, and on and on. The more expensive stuff will have fewer of these problems.
Yes, SK standard plus shoots well in my Anschutz rifle. BUT I get the occasional 9 and (rarely) a dreaded 8 in practice.
In serious rimfire competition, dropping an X, much less a 9 will lose you a match.
There is a reason that folks use high end, expensive rimfire ammo. Believe me, sir, if I could shoot consistent 200 / 15+ X targets with cheap ammo, I would. I cannot, nor can my fellow competitors. (I sure wish that they would buy cheap ammo, it would make my life easier :D
I'm sure that there will be several folks come on this forum and claim that they consistently shoot little tiny groups at 50 & 100 yds with inexpensive ammo & rifles. Unfortunately, they never show up a Perry or any other match.

Roger

LAH
June 27, 2013, 10:00 AM
I'm sure that there will be several folks come on this forum and claim that they consistently shoot little tiny groups at 50 & 100 yds with inexpensive ammo & rifles. Unfortunately, they never show up a Perry or any other match.

I hear it all the time Roger. I keep a dime target with me at the range when I'm told my rifle & ammo will stay under a dime at 50 yards.

Bart B.
June 27, 2013, 05:05 PM
Here's what my Anschutz 1911 did back in 2005 With Eley Tenex. All 40 shots touched (a few just barely) or went into the .39" X ring enroute to almost setting a new smallbore prone record at 50 yards .....

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6881231583_17529f6bab_n.jpg

The third shot on the shoot-off target left the barrel as the wind gusted and its inside edge landed about 1/16th inch off the X ring at 3 o'clock to score a 10. I quit shooting.

That ammo shot about 2/10ths inch at 50 yards when it was tested. It was made in early 1985 before Eley changed their priming compound mix.

Jimro
June 28, 2013, 11:57 AM
That's some impressive shooting.

Although I am of the opinion that someone starting in precision rimfire probably wouldn't benefit from shooting Eley Tenex so much as just getting more trigger time practicing the fundamentals.

It's like air pellets, the cheap ones are good enough until you can't get any better without getting better pellets. And when you need better pellets, you've shot tens of thousands of the budget pellets.

Of course there is the other school of thought, you should always use the best. In a perfect world where budget doesn't matter, I would agree.

But no one pays me to shoot competitively (and the Army only provides me enough ammo for basic qualification plus a little extra). I'd be in hog heaven if they did.

Jimro

Bart B.
June 28, 2013, 04:43 PM
My opinion on quality of stuff to learn how to shoot accurate is to start with the best. The more accurate it is, the faster you'll learn why your shots don't strike where you thought they shood. Bullet holes from accurater ammo shot in accurate rifles best show where the barrel was pointed when the bullet left the barrel.

If you call the shot 1 MOA off dead center out to the right and your bullet strikes dead center, what adjustment do you make on the sights?

With a 2 MOA rifle and ammo, you may not need to make one; that shot may well have been a normal wide one with that ammo from that rifle. You'll need to shoot a few more shots to see where they tend to center at before you can make a good sight corrrection.

With a 1/2 MOA rifle and ammo, you'll know right away the correction is about 3/4 or 1 MOA right. Make it then take another shot.

And what if it was your position or trigger control that put that shot way out there from where it was called? How many shots will it take to figure that out for both accuracy level systems?

If you decide later to sell your shooting stuff and instead take up contract bridge for fun, you can sell good quality, accurate stuff for more than the other stuff and save a greater percentage of your investment.

Jimro
June 29, 2013, 04:58 AM
Bart B.

Like I said, if cost isn't a factor then by all means buy an Anshutz and buy a single lot of 50,000 Tenex. However, the OP is talking about a Savage which retails for around 400 bucks as a "budget" smallbore affair.

And most folks adjust their rifle by group, since rifles shoot groups and not one ragged hole, even from a rest (although those benchrester guys get groups smaller than the projectile fairly often). And you know it doesn't do you any good to adjust your sights on your first bullet from a pristine bore.

Then again, shooting the best stuff you can from the start produces shooters like David Tubb and Sherri Galagher. On the other hand, Annie Oakley shot what she had.

Jimro

jwzimmerer
December 7, 2013, 11:12 PM
I shot rifles competitively in college and Lapua shot really good through my rifle. I usually shot Lapua SK Standard Plus in Practice and either Lapua Master L or M or Lapua Midas Plus in competitions... I tried shooting Eley and I know a lot of people had good success with it but my rifle didnt seem to shoot it as well as the Lapua. Infact if you are looking I have some ammo for sale if your interested in any. I a bunch of left handed equipment and rifles for sale also.

(50 rds per box)
Lapua Master L - 36 boxes
Lapua Master M - 14 boxes
Lapua SK Standard Plus - 60 boxes
Eley Target Match (Black Box) - 14 boxes
Eley Silhouette - 2 boxes
Aguila Golden Eagle - 20 boxes

jwzimmerer
December 7, 2013, 11:13 PM
I shot rifles competitively in college and Lapua shot really good through my rifle. I usually shot Lapua SK Standard Plus in Practice and either Lapua Master L or M or Lapua Midas Plus in competitions... I tried shooting Eley and I know a lot of people had good success with it but my rifle didnt seem to shoot it as well as the Lapua. Infact if you are looking I have some ammo for sale if your interested in any. I a bunch of left handed equipment and rifles for sale also.

(50 rds per box)
Lapua Master L - 36 boxes
Lapua Master M - 14 boxes
Lapua SK Standard Plus - 60 boxes
Eley Target Match (Black Box) - 14 boxes
Eley Silhouette - 2 boxes
Aguila Golden Eagle - 20 boxes

darkgael
December 8, 2013, 08:15 AM
you really need to let the gun tell you what it wants.
Very true. You may well be surprised.
Any time I had a new target gun...rifle or pistol....I bought as many types and brands of .22 ammo as I could afford. I sat down and shot those twenty shot strings.
In general, the more expensive ammo shot demonstrably better. The one exception was a High Standard Victor which really liked the old Federal 711s.
Federal gold medal match ammo proved to be a good choice for my guns.
Pete

Viper225
December 11, 2013, 01:01 PM
We shoot USBR 50 yard Bench Rest at the Club. Most of us shoot Wolf Match Target or Match Extra, or the same stuff in the SK mostly Standard Plus. Most of us are shooting for a good time.
The serious guys drag out the Hi Dollar Eley Black and Red Box, or the Hi End Lapua.

This seems to be how accuracy runs in a target rifle at our range starting with the low end stuff:

Auto Match / Aguila / Federal Champion

Wolfe / SK / Ely Club / Gold Metal Match

Eley Teem / Eley Black Box

Eley Red Box / Lapua's good target ammo.

Seems like Federal does make a version of the Gold Medal Match that does shoot better. The box I tested was not any of it however. My box was about like Auto Match.

In my experiance as was said above you will get flyers until you get into the expensive stuff.

My Gunsmith has a sign that says: Accuracy is just a question of money. Just how accurate do you want it to be. This pretty much covers rimfire ammunition too.

My budget likes Wolfe and SK just fine.

Bob

4EVERM-14
December 11, 2013, 08:58 PM
With rimfire ammo the more you pay the lower the likelihood for flyers or off call shots. That is not to say they won't happen but the potential is reduced. Occasionally a lot of lower grade will meet the accuracy of the good stuff. I had a case[5000 rds] of medium grade RWS that was excellent up until the last two bricks. Investigation showed that there were two different lots in that case. A shooter/retailer explained that some makers of high grade .22's maintain lot integrity. That is they won't mix lots to fill cases. The best one can do is try as many as possible and then buy as much of the best as possible.

rebs
December 12, 2013, 06:37 AM
My pistols and rifles in 22lr really shoot the best with CCI sv 22lr ammo

Chad.C
December 15, 2013, 01:34 PM
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