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deerslayer303
January 9, 2013, 07:10 PM
Alright folks, I've nixed the extra barrel GPR project. So I'm gonna finally buy an open top. And I'll be darn if I can figure out which one I want. What I do know is it has to be a "correct period revolver" So help me decide. I kinda want a .36 but that means I have to buy all the stuff that goes along with a different caliber. You know mold, wads and or punch. So can I have some suggestions. I love the way a '60 Army looks but its .44 and the .62 navy is basically a '60 Army but in .36. Can you guys give me some help. Is a .36 faster than the .44? Ok I'll quit babbling, I just can't decide at all :D. If the funds permitted I'd order one of each LOL. I even like the smaller guns like the .31 cal pocket guns.

10851Man
January 9, 2013, 07:33 PM
I own both .44's and .36's and I prefer the .36 in every respect.

My latest want is a Pietta 1862 Colt Police in .36 caliber. This is basically a 1860 Sheriff's Model (5-1/2" barrel) but in .36 caliber. It's not "period correct" but it is the best of the 1851 Navy with the looks of an 1860 army, plus a gorgeous six-shot, fluted cylinder.

As far as velocity goes, .36 is faster, but the heavier .44 has more energy.

Smokin'Joe
January 9, 2013, 07:39 PM
Take a lesson from Wild Bill. Go with the 1851. You won’t regret it.

Beagle333
January 9, 2013, 07:42 PM
WHAT?!? :eek: You don't own an 1860? Egads man!!!!! You must remedy this immediately... if not sooner!:eek:

10851Man
January 9, 2013, 07:43 PM
Love how this gun looks....

The 1851 Navy would be my second choice!!!!!

deerslayer303
January 9, 2013, 07:56 PM
WHAT?!? You don't own an 1860? Egads man!!!!! You must remedy this immediately... if not sooner!

I know right :D I've been stuck on the Remmies! But I'm gonna order that TOP loading stand so I figured its time for an open top.

deerslayer303
January 9, 2013, 07:58 PM
10851MAN,

Yeah that is a slick looking piece for sure!

Doc Hoy
January 9, 2013, 08:09 PM
No matter where you start.

deerslayer303
January 9, 2013, 08:27 PM
Ok What is the difference between and 1860 Army (cut for shoulder stock) and an 1860 army civilian.

And should I be worried about a pistol with a steel frame but a brass back strap? I don't think its a problem. Did the original '51 nave have a brass BS?

Hawg
January 9, 2013, 08:28 PM
Get the 51 and then the 60.

MJN77
January 9, 2013, 08:44 PM
FWIW, I've owned 1860s, 1861s, 1858s, Walkers, Dragoons, Pattersons, and an 1862 pocket police. By far the most enjoyable revolver to shoot, IMHO, is the 1851 navy. Feel and balance are perfect. Light recoil, ammo is cheap, and of course the classic look of the thing. Of all the BP revolvers I have owned, I am down to a Uberti Walker and two Uberti 51s.

red96ta
January 9, 2013, 09:56 PM
Deerslayer, the difference between the civilian and army models is that the army model has small cutouts on the bottom of the recoil shield and a couple extra screws to attach a shoulder stock. The civilian omits the details with less screws and a full recoil shield.

arcticap
January 9, 2013, 10:47 PM
3rd Model Dragoon.
It can be loaded up to 50 grains.
And it looks just like the original.

Hawg
January 10, 2013, 05:20 AM
As for the brass grip frame don't worry about it, its a non issue. Yes the originals did have brass grip frames. Civilian models were silver plated. London navies had steel grip frames.

10851Man
January 10, 2013, 07:35 PM
I love the brass backstrap and triggerguard as I can easily buff it out from sweat, unlike a blued surface....FWIW

Strafer Gott
January 10, 2013, 08:27 PM
Those screws are IMHO, a really uncomfortable feature. I missed the opportunity to buy a stock. Can they be replaced by a flush screw?

Smokin'Joe
January 10, 2013, 09:26 PM
I found a 1/4" diameter black plastic screwdriver used to tweak electronics. I cut threads on it, screwed it in place and cut it to proper length.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc510/SmmokingJoe/IMG_0019.jpg

Beagle333
January 11, 2013, 05:57 AM
I like the extra screw holes. I consider 'em to be instant access to the "transmission", in the event that I don't wanna do a full takedown cleaning.
I stick the tube of the Pb Blaster or RemOil can (WD-40, CLP, or whatever you use) in there and blow everything out through the space around the trigger. :)

Strafer Gott
January 11, 2013, 08:04 AM
Nice plug job. I bet that's a lot easier on the trigger finger. These guys actually kick a little. Do you know the screw pitch?
Also, that's a neat little cleaning trick Beagle.
That's pretty much why I want to plug that hole. The gears and sand don't mix.

Smokin'Joe
January 11, 2013, 09:12 AM
I just used the holes in the frame to cut the threads on the soft plastic rod. Taper the rod a bit so it will start in the hole and turn it.

Strafer Gott
January 11, 2013, 09:48 AM
Thanks for the tip!

the Black Spot
January 11, 2013, 10:48 AM
Forget the '60 or '61 or the '51 and just get a 1848 dragoon and u will b set!

deerslayer303
January 12, 2013, 11:32 AM
Well thank you guys for all the tips on the open tops. I'm going to buy the 1860 From TomADC. A '51 Navy is next, then a '61, then a draggoon, then.........................oh man I've got it BAD! I need medication :D

Beagle333
January 12, 2013, 02:28 PM
I'm going to buy the 1860 From TomADC. A '51 Navy is next, then a '61, then a draggoon, then.........................

Now you need a Walker. You just gotta have a Walker in the safe. :) 'Touching off 60± grains in a revolver is practically a religious experience. ;)

TomADC
January 12, 2013, 02:36 PM
Well thank you guys for all the tips on the open tops. I'm going to buy the 1860 From TomADC. A '51 Navy is next, then a '61, then a draggoon, then.........................oh man I've got it BAD! I need medication

I do have a Uberti 1851 NIB that would go nice with that 1860 :eek:

Hawg
January 12, 2013, 05:00 PM
I'd try it with the stock screws installed. I never noticed them when shooting mine.

deerslayer303
January 12, 2013, 05:25 PM
I do have a Uberti 1851 NIB that would go nice with that 1860 Oh my goodness Tom, you're killing me......see your inbox. :D

Hawg, I will try it out. From looking at pics I really don't see it as a problem, if it is I'll try the plug thing posted on here.

Beagle, A Walker is on the list too.

TomADC
January 12, 2013, 05:41 PM
Shawn, I have a Walker also:D

deerslayer303
January 12, 2013, 05:45 PM
Oh my!!! :D You are a one stop shop I'm liking it ;)

Gatofeo
January 13, 2013, 04:58 AM
If you want an open top Colt, and since you already have .44 caliber, I'd suggest the 1860. It was the most modern design that Colt put out, before the cartridge guns.
Folks will take me to task on this, stating that the 1861 in .36 caliber was the most advanced, but it's really a non-issue. Both are identical designs, just different calibers.
The 1860 is an accurate shooter, contrary to what many claim about the Colts and their wedge system. If the wedge is in tight, the Colt will shoot accurately, all other things being equal.
I have a Pietta-made Colt 1860 that will put six .454" diameter balls into 2 inches at 25 yards from a benchrest. My Uberti-made Remington with fixed sights will equal that, and occasionally better it.
But I have no doubt that the Colt is the Remington's equal in accuracy. It's just that my 57-year-old eyes don't deal as well with those rudimentary Colt sights.
If you want a .44, get the 1860.
For .36 caliber, I suggest the 1861. It has the same balance as the 1851, but a much better loading lever and greater clearance under the rammer for loading coincal bullets, if you desire.
The 1861 is an improved 1851.
Buy an Uberti. The rifling is deeper than Pietta. This helps to shrug off fouling in the barrel and may aid accuracy. My Ubertis tend to be slightly more accurate than my Piettas, in my experience.
Sounds like you have some pondering and deciding to do ...