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10851Man
January 8, 2013, 01:59 PM
Anyone have experience with this model????

10851Man
January 8, 2013, 07:15 PM
Love how this gun looks...Think I am going to buy one....:cool:

Willie Sutton
January 8, 2013, 08:25 PM
1862 Police is a beautiful little design. 5 shot, .31 caliber frame with rebated cylinder.

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An 1861 Navy (6 shot, large frame) made into a fantasy-model is, well...... a fantasy model.

Piettas... well if you cannot get a Uberti and are OK with the garish stampings... :rolleyes: I'd always prefer a Uberti.

Combine "Pietta" and "Fatasy Model" and, well.... you pays yer money and you gets what you gets:
A non-authentic "never was a Colt model" with garish markings.


Willie


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bedbugbilly
January 8, 2013, 10:28 PM
I may be wrong on this but I think that what they are calling their '62 Police is nothing more than a modified version of the '61 Navy. A '62 Police was a 5 shot not 6 and a smaller frame than the Navy - like a '49. If you are thinking that it is the same as a original '62 Pocket Police - you might want to check that out.

That said . . . if it is the same frame size as a '61 Navy but with a shorter barrel . . . it would be a nice revolver . . . but then I'm partial to Navies.

unknwn
January 8, 2013, 11:00 PM
The first one that Cabelas sent me went back, timing problems

Rainbow Demon
January 9, 2013, 01:02 AM
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Black-Powder/Pistols-Revolvers%7C/pc/104792580/c/104701680/sc/104503680/Pietta-Model-1858-New-Army-Police-36-Caliber-Revolver/731694.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-black-powder-pistols%2F_%2FN-1100201&WTz_l=DirectLoad%3Bcat104503680

The pistol in question (if a six shot) appears to be a Remington styled solid frame rather than the five shot Colt .36 "Pocket Police" built on the modified .31 size frame.

A friend owned an original Remington-Beals belt pistol of about the same dimensions. A handy piece.

10851Man
January 9, 2013, 10:01 AM
Correct, Bedbugbilly...

This is basically a 1860 Army in terms of size, with the rounded barrel, shortened to 5-1/2" and a six-shot fluted cylinder.

I have had Ubertis and always had timing problems, plus the goofy .380" balls the .36 caliber Ubertis require wasn't fun either...

Hardcase
January 9, 2013, 01:26 PM
I've got one. Functionally, mine is perfect. Appearance...well, it's one of those guns that never existed. I figure if I was a stickler for correctness, I'd be buying one with Sam'l Colt's address on the top.

10851Man
January 9, 2013, 02:39 PM
Thanks, Hardcase...

I know it's not 'correct,' but I just like the size and six-shot capability...

10851Man
January 10, 2013, 07:14 PM
Ok!

I ordered one up.

IIRC, #10 caps fit better than #11's...am I correct???

Who makes a round powder flask (brass) with a pounch for it???

Been 15 years since I did much BP shooting, so I want to start ordering up the goodies.

One tip I remember that worked well was Wurth CU1100 Copper Anti-Seize Paste on the arbor and nipples...

10851Man
January 14, 2013, 04:13 PM
Having a challenge getting a CH-18 Ranger holster for this gun. Its size is confusing!!!! Shows up on Pietta's site as a member of the 1860 Army family!!!!

http://www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleloadinguns/Army/gallery/Army_1860_27.html

10851Man
January 14, 2013, 06:59 PM
Figured it out!!!!

Alan and Donna Soellner of WesternLeatherHolster.com explined to me that some 1860 Army's were made with a fluted, six-shot cylinder and short barrel. They are said to be incredibly obscure and rare.

Compare the 1860 Army short-barrel to the Colt 1861 Police...

He is making me a pair of modern high-ride, FBI forward cant belt slide holsters for my pair of Pietta 1862 Police Revolvers.

Next is a dual shoulder rig for a second pair of them!!!!!!

Hawg
January 14, 2013, 07:32 PM
The first 500 had full flutes and a 7 1/2 inch barrel. They all went to southern merchants before the war. All were seized and issued to Confederate troops.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Colt/Colt_Army_Mod_1860_Fluted_Cylinder.jpg

10851Man
January 15, 2013, 07:38 PM
So it seems Pietta just bobbed the barrel and made up a new gun, which I love, despite not being historically correct...

Hawg
January 15, 2013, 07:42 PM
Pietta makes a lot of guns that never existed.

brazosdave
January 15, 2013, 07:56 PM
It's true that Pietta makes some fantasy guns, but as far as them being substandard, I have never found that to be true. My Pietta's all work well as I got them, I had to do a bit of work to my 73 Uberti Leech & Rigdon to get it to function properly, although it is a very sweet gun now! I think Pietta gets a bad rap sometimes, I just got a new 51 that is beautiful, and even the fantasy "Reb Navy" in .44 is a great shootin gun.

Hawg
January 15, 2013, 08:14 PM
Substandard they are not.

10851Man
January 18, 2013, 11:04 AM
Here are the holsters I am having made for the pair...

Logan5579
January 18, 2013, 11:33 AM
True, but if Colt or Remington had thought of them or had the technology to make them, they would probably have been made.

10851man, nice holsters. I made a similar one for my 5.5 in Remington 58, sits nicely under a jacket. ;)

10851Man
January 18, 2013, 12:23 PM
@ Logan,

Got any pics????

TomADC
January 18, 2013, 01:03 PM
This is my two gun rig.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/3058943/402123376.jpg

10851Man
January 18, 2013, 01:24 PM
Very nice!!!!

I am using a modern holster adapted to the C&B pistols for higher ride that will fit under a jacket, bit I LOVE the tooling on your rig!!!!!

Logan5579
January 18, 2013, 01:35 PM
Just took one...

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s672/logan5579/2013-01-18124024_zps94c9e534.jpg

Logan5579
January 18, 2013, 01:37 PM
Ok...heres another one....

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s672/logan5579/2013-01-18124043_zps95fe8527.jpg

10851Man
January 18, 2013, 01:42 PM
Very nice!!!!

Logan5579
January 18, 2013, 04:28 PM
I accidentally got the angle just right so that the holster holds the revolver pretty much straight on the strong side and it also will work as a cross draw. Keeps the gun accessable as a cross draw when Im in a vehicle and have to wear my seatbelt...hard to draw anything from the strong side when seated and belted in.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s672/logan5579/2013-01-18161724_zps95bf0f04.jpg

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s672/logan5579/2013-01-18161442_zps69ddaebb.jpg

its hard to take a pic of yurself at that angle...:rolleyes:

10851Man
January 18, 2013, 05:00 PM
Nice ride...

My usual carry is my 1927 Colt-Hartford built .45 with April 20, 1887 patent date and 4-digit serial number. I restored this gun myself and carried it on and off duty for 11 years...

10851Man
January 18, 2013, 05:01 PM
Like what you did!!!!

Logan5579
January 18, 2013, 05:31 PM
I Like!
I pretty much carry all the time, but mostly its a para-ordnance p-12-45. Sometimes I strap on the BP for CC, but mostly I lug the semi-auto around. I've always been partial to the ol 1911's - I find it kind of ironic that the design is only 50yrs newer than our good ol BP weapons. :D

Just curious, what kind of bluing process did you use on that?

10851Man
January 21, 2013, 07:22 PM
I have one of every 1911 ever produced by the different wartime manufacturers, including Union Switch & Signal, Singer Sewing Machine, Remington Rand, Ithaca, a British 1911 in .455 Webley Automatic, one very rare 1911 made by North American Arms Co., Ltd, my personal Colt-Hartford 1927 Sistema Colt, 1 of only 10,000 made under for the Argentine Army, and a "Policia Maratima" 1911 marked Calibre 11.25mm.

These are all in my Dad's collection...

10851Man
January 21, 2013, 07:26 PM
I also built a MEUSOC pistol from various parts and still have a very old Colt Commando .38 Revolver, the very first pistol I ever carried on-duty as a police officer...

10851Man
January 21, 2013, 07:31 PM
And here is the patent date detail on the Colt Commando, built in 1942 and still bearing its original finish...

Doc Hoy
January 21, 2013, 08:24 PM
As a retired Navy guy I did all of my qual shooting, medal shooting and fam fire with the 1911.

Obviously the 9 mm was a gleam in their eye at that time. (Retired in 1994).

I have no desire whatsoever to own any auto pistol.

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Except a .45

TomADC
January 21, 2013, 10:46 PM
As another retired Navy guy, I shot on both skeet teams and pistol teams I really enjoyed the skeet team we shot Winchester AA shells and I still have after all these years some of the empty cases.
I still prefer my 1911 over anything else.

OutlawJoseyWales
January 22, 2013, 01:13 AM
Ha, Doc, I misread your post and I thought you said "as a retired Navy guy I do all my QUAIL shooting...with a 1911. :)

Now THAT'S a guy who knows how to shoot.

10851Man
January 22, 2013, 09:51 AM
Shooting quail with a 1911 would be quite a feat!!!!

I love C&B and I see my 1911, my 12 gauge and my AK all have their place in my arsenal, like tolls in a mechanic's drawer...

10851Man
January 23, 2013, 07:45 PM
My '62 Police Pistols arrive tonight. I hope they are squared away in terms of arbor length, timing, etc. So far, all the reviews I have read on them are very positive....

10851Man
January 24, 2013, 07:27 PM
Thus far, timing looks OK. Haven't really messed with it that much as of yet. Any pointers as to what to look for??? This is my first open top in a very, very long time!!!!!

10851Man
January 25, 2013, 09:59 AM
A couple of questions...

I am a certified Colt 1911/M-16/AR-15 Armorer but have never been trained on a revolver of any type.

Thus far, my brand new Pietta '62 Police Models seem to be in good shape. The cylinder to forcing cone gaps in less than .008" on both guns, the barrel is tight on the frame, the wedge is flush on the right side of the pistols and the wood grips and brass backstrap are a seamless fit.

The raised 'tail' on the Pietta grip, that many complain about, is one of the features I like best about this pistol. It reminds me of the arched mainspring housing on a Colt 1911 and serves to raise your natural point of aim.

During fast presentation from the holster with a bore laser, the gun points almost dead-on instinctively without aiming, a quality I look for in every pistol I buy.

One question about lockup.

I am unsure of the correct terminology, but here is what I am observing. As the hammer moves near the end of it's rearward travel, the cylinder stop drops (raises) into the cone-shaped "lead-in relief groove" perfectly and squarely in the middle of the groove. The remaining rearward movement of the hammer rotates the cylinder and the stop then pops into its notch as the trigger sets into its forward position.

This results in a click-click during cocking.

Many C&B pistols I have looked at exhibit evidence that the cylinder stop makes contact with the cylinder well in advance of the "relief groove" and then can been seen to have dragged into the notch, or does not contact the notch squarely and rounds the sharp edge profile of the relief groove.

In contrast, my 20+ year old Pietta 1858 Remington (with almost 2,000 documented rounds fired) never makes contact with the lead-in groove at all. Instead, the stop doesn't rise until the stop and notch are aligned, so it cocks rearward with a single click as the cylinder locks and the trigger sets.

Could this be just the nature of the Colt style lockup versus the Remington????

I appreciate your input on this subject...

mykeal
January 25, 2013, 12:22 PM
No. Both designs seek to achieve the same result: that observed on your Colt Police. Execution, however, on individual guns varies considerably.

10851Man
January 25, 2013, 02:24 PM
So, the 'click-click' is OK???

mykeal
January 27, 2013, 11:27 AM
Depends.

Some folks just can't stand that their $200 Italian replica isn't perfect in all aspects. They would say no.

Others are more concerned about whether the chamber locks up in battery at the end, despite perhaps making a little more noise than necessary along the way. They would say yes.

10851Man
January 27, 2013, 12:34 PM
15 grains of FFFg Triple 7 under a Speer 95 grain ball and 1/8" felt wad.

The shot that appears at 5 O'clock was the very first shot fired through the gun. I fired it at 9 feet, rapidly drawn from the holster, and fired as soon as the barrel could be leveled, a sort of 'Old West Emergency Action Drill' I guess you could say.

The next 12 rounds were fired at 50 feet from a traditional weaver-style combat stance, cocking the hammer with the thumb of the left support hand and firing at a fairly rapid pace.

The 3 headshots were fired at 21 feet, one at a time, from the holstered position, drawing the pistol quickly and firing as quickly as sight picture could be obtained.

Very pleased...

10851Man
January 28, 2013, 12:20 PM
Awesome pistol....:D

mrbatchelor
January 28, 2013, 04:17 PM
As quickly as sight picture could be obtained?

How quickly was that?

500 milliseconds? 10 seconds? Both of those are extreme I know. Just to play devil's advocate.

But what's real? A second or two? With the BG already prepared that can be a long time.

10851Man
January 28, 2013, 04:29 PM
Couldn't tell you to be perfectly honest, I just draw and fire when things look right.

I used to be able to draw my Colt 1911 from ma Safariland SSIII and fire 2 rounds in less than a second. I have a still image somewhere taken from a video where I fired 4 rounds from my 1927 Colt .45 Auto in less than ½ second and all (4) spent cases can be seen in the air.

10851Man
January 30, 2013, 03:48 PM
Here is the 1862 Police alongside a '61 Navy....:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/Flashlights/2010_051022ruger0046.jpg

dogngun
May 19, 2013, 10:10 AM
A gem. I have had several Pietta BP revolvers in years gone by as well as one of their SAA types in .357 Magnum, 4 5/8" in stainless. I have never had any functional problems at all with any of my Piettas, although this new one has some raised sharp edges on the grip that I will take down...I am also fond of the Navy Colts in .36 caliber. Wonderful pointers and shooters...here's my boxed set of Uberti Navy's - unfired. (The box was made in Italy...by Pietta!)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk10/dogngun/DSCN0383_zps5141cf59.jpg (http://s276.photobucket.com/user/dogngun/media/DSCN0383_zps5141cf59.jpg.html)

I also have a 30-some year old Remington .36 Navy revolver made by Armi San Marco. It is a great shooter as well.

mark

Dan_D
May 20, 2013, 10:38 PM
I like the cased setup. However, isn't that top one a Pietta?
Thanks,
Dan

4V50 Gary
May 20, 2013, 11:58 PM
10851 Man - I hope your Singer didn't come from M. Jackson of SF.

Hawg
May 21, 2013, 06:59 PM
There's more faked Singers than real ones. Just sayin.