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Palmetto-Pride
December 31, 2012, 07:38 AM
So I was wondering what anyone thinks the values of AR-15s would go to if say they were treated like class 3 weapons in 5,10,15,20 yrs. I realize this is all hypothetical and just speculating.

Snuffy308
December 31, 2012, 09:39 AM
Pure speculation on my part, but say the gubment puts ARs under NFA title 2, I could see the initial price being about three grand. People are paying 2000 and upwards now. With the outlawing of manufacture, import, etc. that induces an automatic shortage right off the bat. A current NFA firearm starts at about 4000 now at least the last I checked. I think that buys you a tech 9 or some such and they go up from there. Like I say that is the last I checked and I'm sure they are more than that now. Never much seen them come down in price even with the recession. The best I have ever seen from a buyer's standpoint is to remain the same pricewise for a length of time. People want what they can't get or anything that is in finite supply. The country's population stands at 315 million now and growing so demand will skyrocket until a price is reached which induces a tipping point. Initially I would say about 3000 minimum. What will cause even more consternation with the buying public will be the turnaround from the time you submit your application until you get your stamp. My first one took 4 months and that was several years ago. I could see that stretching from one to two years due that the number of transfer applications will increase exponentially because of the sheer numbers of guns and folks wanting them that will be created with any new law. After that it's anyone's guess. Depends a lot on the makeup of any new law and of course what the economy will look like in say five to ten years.

1DrnkMxR
December 31, 2012, 09:40 AM
I have a feeling we won't be seeing the prices of ar15 a month ago ever again. I really hope i'm wrong.

Art Eatman
December 31, 2012, 09:51 AM
I'm assuming the current feeding frenzy will die down before too long and prices will most likely return to within a few percent of what they were a month or two ago: Odds are that we'd see a situation similar to the AW ban: "Pre-ban" rifles were around double the "Post-ban".

But, no way to know what--if any--new laws will actually pass, nor what might come from an Executive Order.

It's all just wait-and-see.

UtopiaTexasG19
December 31, 2012, 09:55 AM
If any kind of ban includes "no transfer" or "sale" of current AR's well then.....

Martowski
December 31, 2012, 09:58 AM
Exactly. If there's a no transfer or sale provision, then the value becomes both immeasurable and $0 all at once.

Here's a rhetorical question: if transfer becomes illegal, then what happens after someone passes away?

Skadoosh
December 31, 2012, 10:04 AM
Here's a rhetorical question: if transfer becomes illegal, then what happens after someone passes away?

I have wondered this as well. My guess is that the surviving family or executor of the estate will be required to turn them over to the local law enforcement agency for disposal.

Palmetto-Pride
December 31, 2012, 10:35 AM
If there is no sale or transfer provision then there would be a huge black market for them.....:eek: God only knows what the price would be, but the way I look at it is they can make whatever law they want now, but that doesn't mean that another president couldn't overturn it down the road when people realize that crime will not be reduced by gun control laws.

Martowski
December 31, 2012, 11:19 AM
Skadoosh, yes, I was thinking that as well. So, in essence, that would be a back-door way of eventually getting all semi-auto rifles out of private hands. Basically, if you didn't own it in 2013 then it's illegal to have in your possession.

All hypothetical of course, but within reason of what some of our legislators might try to pass.

Metal god
December 31, 2012, 02:09 PM
This whole gun debate is going to get interesting . Here is my .02 . If all the antis get is closing the gun show loop hole and ten round max the prices will come back down . If the antis get a real AWB with no sale or possession if not already owned . Then the prices will go way up peaking just before the ban goes in to effect . They are going to get something and it will get many votes . If the later happens I will sell one of mine at the high point . Why you ask ? Cus I'm a good guy and want as many people as possible to own a AR ;). OH and it would fund a few other firearm purchases :D.

tahunua001
December 31, 2012, 02:24 PM
value of an AR15 if ban takes place=$0
unless you convert it to be ban compliant it will be non transferable. therefore no value assigned.

a7mmnut
December 31, 2012, 02:24 PM
This is an exact repeat of 1992. I learned the first time. All these @#$% hoarders and price gougers are what's burning me alive!!!:mad: If you watch GB much, you know what I mean. How can billions of rounds of ammo be all "out of stock" at once with billions more returning from overseas? It can't.:mad:

jmr40
December 31, 2012, 02:37 PM
They could become worthless for any legal sale. Of course they would be worth a fortune with an illegal sale if that were to happen. There are too many unanswered questions at this time. I'd be afraid to even guess.

Skans
December 31, 2012, 02:51 PM
There are so many AR's out there, not to mention uppers, lowers, and barrels that haven't been assembled. - any real price hike is due to pure panic.

I remember the day when I was told we would never see $500 AK's again. That proved to be false. At some point all these AR and AK speculators would probably want to cash in on their investments, or at least try to recoup some of their spent money.

While I am willing to pay a slight premium on some handguns that we might not see in production any longer, I'm not buying any AR's or AK's.

UtopiaTexasG19
December 31, 2012, 03:50 PM
"This is an exact repeat of 1992. I learned the first time."

Then you should be in great shape this time.....

BerdanSS
December 31, 2012, 09:12 PM
If they accomplish what they want...nothing. They will be utterly worthless. Why would anyone want a rifle like the AR15 if you had to pay $1600 for a crappy one, and ammunition is $1.68 a round and pretty much unavailable to anyone?

That IS their goal....some don't relies it yet.

Xfire68
December 31, 2012, 09:20 PM
My .02$ is those that are buying AR's for $3,000 and more are going to be kicking themselves in 6 months! The prices are going to return to what we saw just a month ago and those that paid the big bucks will be trying to sell them for 1/2 what they paid and won't get it do to stock in local gun shops being lower.

JKHolman
January 1, 2013, 08:06 AM
Exactly. If there's a no transfer or sale provision, then the value becomes both immeasurable and $0 all at once.

Here's a rhetorical question: if transfer becomes illegal, then what happens after someone passes away?
- Martowski
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I have wondered this as well. My guess is that the surviving family or executor of the estate will be required to turn them over to the local law enforcement agency for disposal.
- Skadoosh

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What the two above persons mention could possibly take place. I am sure the anti-2ndA people are strongly considering the possibilities of it (remember - those people see themselves as the newly evolved twenty-first century Americans and the Constitution as a Living Document. They consider our clinging (the very word used by our elected president) to the literal phrasing (as opposed to meaning) of that amendment as a barbarity on our part).
The item mentioned by Martowski and expanded on by Skadoosh would be a violation of RKBA and we need to treat it as such.
As I mentioned on another board, I am a Democrat who is as strong a proponent of the Second Amendment as any right leaning Republican.
We cannot let the above scenario happen. Many of you know that.

Xfire68, I hope you are right on this one.

- JKHolman

ak2323
January 1, 2013, 09:04 AM
I think there's going to be some very po'd folks in a little while. Cheaper Than Scum was recently selling Pmags for $60+ a piece and others have been selling low end ARs for $2k+. They were also selling some pretty ropey surplus 556 ammo for over $1 a round.

Good luck to them but the buyers are probably going to take a haircut.

EdInk
January 1, 2013, 09:28 AM
I think it could be like bootleg alcohol during prohibition. People want to own guns and will get them from whatever source possible. Whenever you make something legal into something illegal, all you do is make criminals out of honest people.

jjyergler
January 1, 2013, 09:48 AM
You think there's a panic buy now? If it passes, private sales will disappear, as everyone will hold what they've got. Supply and demand will cause prices to go even higher, peaking right before implementation.

Afterwards, it will depend on the provisions in the bill. Their value, as Martowski says will be both zero and limitless, if there's a no transfer provision. If they are declared NFA, their value will be high, not quite like full-auto, as the supply is much greater. If it is similar to the last one, prices will settle higher than now, but be stable.

PS: off topic, but JK if you're an originalist, how can you be a democrat?

Hairbag
January 1, 2013, 01:00 PM
I'm getting the feeling any new laws passed will include no transfers. After the fiscal cliff issue is over the dog and pony show should begin. 30rd mags are history!

Doc Intrepid
January 1, 2013, 01:36 PM
During the 1994-2000 ban prices went up but not astronomically. In part this was because other weapons were introduced that got around the various "offensive parts" issues and people bought them instead.

Despite all the doom, it's doubtful that Feinstein's AWB will pass in its current form. Like any other self-interested group, thoughtful politicians tend to require some sort of iron-clad guarantee against blowback before voting for it. To the extent that citizens can make their elected representatives aware that if they support the ban there will be payback in their future, they may be less enthusiastic about supporting the ban.

With respect to passing firearms to the next generation, contact a lawyer. It may be possible to establish a living trust, or a corporation, or both, to which ownership of your weapons may be legally transferred. That is, you don't own them - your trust does. When you die, your trust does not die and IIRC trusts may be administered by your heirs. Beretta is an example of a privately-held company that is more than 400 years old.

It's not quite a dictatorship yet. Possibly the most effective option broadly available to all of us is to make our voices heard. Contact your elected representatives. Explain calmly, rationally, professionally that you expect them to support your rights to own your firearms, and that this is what you voted them into office to do. If they cannot do so, next time you'll vote someone else into their office.

tobnpr
January 1, 2013, 03:38 PM
On the Sunday talk shows it was debated whether any action would be taken...
If you recall, Feinstein said she would introduce her bill on "DAY ONE"....
Now, it's as "soon as possible"...

The discussion basically centered around political realities- and what "fight" might be taken in the first year.

Gun Control?

Immigration Reform? Other?

Chuck Todd rightfully pointed out that trying to pass new gun control laws- including AGAIN the AWB that had already been in effect for ten years to no effect- had a large chance of FAILURE.

Is Obama willing to spend the next year on that fight- and most likely lose- or finally tackle immigration reform that both sides acknowledge needs to be done, and has a much higher chance of success.

Whatever your or my opinion of his policies, he is the consummate politician.

I do think there may be some compromise, such as the gun-show loophole, but no way will a re-make of the AWB make it through the House- and I honestly doubt it has any chance even in the Democratic Senate.

So....to answer your question...

IFFFF (and that's a huge if), Feinstein's AWB were law in current form, future value AFTER it would be in effect would be zero. Can't transfer ownership, so it has no value to a law-abiding citizen. Beforehand, it would be interesting. There are millions of these on circulation, so you'll have sellers that own them, that would choose to cash out.. could result in an oversupply, which might actually drive prices down from the ridiculous panic level they're at now.

Slamfire
January 1, 2013, 04:24 PM
If Congress follows the Gun Banner model, AR15’s will have a negative value since having one will put you in jail.

I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.

Palmetto-Pride
January 1, 2013, 04:36 PM
I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.

Maybe some Northeastrn states or Califorina, but that wouldn't fly with most Southern or Midwest states, I just can't see people letting them get away with that.

Hairbag
January 1, 2013, 04:51 PM
Yeah I agree that's going to far. Magazines are property That's not going to fly very well in pro-gun states.

BerdanSS
January 1, 2013, 05:04 PM
They'll get away with whatever they want to. Someone told me "they cant completely ban 30 round mags, there are billions of them out there...what are they going to do, go door to door?" If they ban hi cap magazines nation wide, and put a heavy fine and or jail time for being caught with one...How many people will stiff upper lip it? Rr will they get in the mile long lines at Law Enforcement offices and drop them in garbage cans?

The way this country is going, you think they will really have to compensate you for anything? They'll compensate you all right....Thank you for your contributions sir!... would you like pepperoni, cheese or the wal-mart card?

langenc
January 1, 2013, 05:10 PM
I know this is titles ARs but aqny legislation will include much more. My son said today "I think I should buy an auto shotgun". He related he has wanted one for a long time. He likes to duck/goose hunt.

I suggested that would probably be a good idea. The economy is down, people sell all kinds of stuff to pay bills and new ones will definitely be on the upswing.

mitranoc
January 1, 2013, 05:18 PM
Will it (ever) get back to this? This was in June when I bought my VTAC.

http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt348/cmitrano1/VTAC3_zps43681a53.jpg

BerdanSS
January 1, 2013, 05:27 PM
Heck that was even high for early last spring. A nicely equipped RRA was about $840. Complete Spikes AR15s were selling at a LGS for $699-$780 I bought two RRA stripped lowers for $75 each at the Indy 1500 and two YHM stripped lowers online for $110 each shipped including the that price includes the transfer fee I had to pay.


this makes me sad or want to puke...maybe both.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/779147/indiana-rifles-for-sale--delaware-tool---machine-lower-receiver

mitranoc
January 1, 2013, 05:31 PM
Indy 1500?

BerdanSS
January 1, 2013, 05:38 PM
The famed Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show. Biggest show this side of the Mississippi river. Used to be a complete treasure trove of guns, ammo and surplus. It's been declining over the years:(




I hope they don't get any of this through...if they do we're
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/bender4.jpg

jimbob86
January 1, 2013, 05:50 PM
I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.


If it does happen like that (and I doubt it), it will not be quick and cheap. It will be messy. And expensive.

mitranoc
January 1, 2013, 08:04 PM
The famed Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show. Biggest show this side of the Mississippi river. Used to be a complete treasure trove of guns, ammo and surplus. It's been declining over the years


I'd like to check that out someday.

mitranoc
January 1, 2013, 08:42 PM
I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.

Confiscation, I wouldn't think so? If so, maybe they'll send the goons from the UN to collect?

ratshooter
January 1, 2013, 08:44 PM
I don't believe there will be anything done with an AW ban. There are just too many people that own semi autos for the government to confiscate. My uncle was a long time Ft Worth policeman and 20 years ago he said the government could never get the guns off the streets.

There is simply no reason to panic yet. Some of the posters in this thread act like they already have two black eyes and a bloody nose and there hasn't even been a fight yet. Contact your reps and congressmen. Get off the gun forums and get to work with emails and tell them that you oppose a gun ban. That is job one for me next week. I will do my part. I did it in 1994 and will do it again.

mitranoc
January 1, 2013, 08:56 PM
Contact your reps and congressmen. Get off the gun forums and get to work with emails and tell them that you oppose a gun ban. That is job one for me next week. I will do my part. I did it in 1994 and will do it again.

Excellent point! This should be everyones focus..

ratshooter
January 1, 2013, 09:26 PM
Thanks Mitranoc. Here is a link to make it easy for everyone of us. In this day we can write a short, and short is better, letter, copy and paste it to each rep. It should be fast and easy. When I did it before it was a hand written letter that required a stamp. Now its free to do if you will just take 10-15 minutes to do so. I can promise you the other side has their own letter writing campain. Guys this is for the gold.

http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

mitranoc
January 1, 2013, 09:38 PM
Thanks Mitranoc. Here is a link to make it easy for everyone of us. In this day we can write a short, and short is better, letter, copy and paste it to each rep. It should be fast and easy. When I did it before it was a hand written letter that required a stamp. Now its free to do if you will just take 10-15 minutes to do so. I can promise you the other side has their own letter writing campain. Guys this is for the gold.

http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-l...your-reps.aspx


ratshooter - thanks for the link. on it..

Metal god
January 1, 2013, 09:44 PM
I've been plagiarizing the heck out of people on this forum .:D Every time somebody makes a good articulate point about gun control .I copy and paste it in a E-mail to my reps like I thought of it myself :cool:.

Thanks everybody ;)

Xaak
January 2, 2013, 12:28 PM
With the recent rash of anti-gun proposals, some being so far out there that they want registration to buy ammunition, there is no telling just where this will all go. I feel the best way to stop any of it, is to fight all of it and accept none of it.

That said...

I just recently went to four gun shows in the great State of Virginia over the past month. Each week the shows were becoming less and less guns shows, and more becoming handgun and accessory shows. The show just prior to Christmas, held in Doswell, VA, was very well attended. However, there just was very limited rifles of the semiautomatic variety. Many of these dealers had just been at two of the previous week's shows I attended, and their inventory had dwindled while the buying glut raged on.

Now, the problem we created is that with Feinstein (confiscation) like threats, Bloomberg type antics (can't he just stick to banning soda and super sized fast food), and our buying frenzy, dealers, and no doubt soon manufacturers, will be raising prices quickly. In fact, a typical 30 round 5.56 MAGPUL magazine went from 16 to 40 bucks in the span of a week by the same vendors at these shows, with very limited availability, and.... they were all bought up within the first couple of hours of the show.

I get that demand also creates a price point, and while I am glad gas price is down so I can afford the increase in gun/ammo price, my concern is what is the gun/ammo value? When simple 5.56 is closing rapidly in on $1 per round and bulk sellers are out of stock, what is really going on?

Lastly, I shoot a few 22 LR rifles and pistols, because any type of practice is good practice and the 22 LR isn't that bad on top of that, we are starting to see even this small caliber becoming unavailable. Especially the CCI version of the Velocitor, Stinger and Mini Mag.

In closing, the value is likely going way up on all of the firearms we currently own as long as we maintain them. Ammunition likewise is a premium, because a firearm is pointless without it. The value will be maintained, and by the week, increase. As legislation becomes more on the forefront (the fiscal cliff isn't even fixed, just band aided) the prices will sky rocket, availability will still be hit and miss and our values will soar.

Lock them up, keep them maintained and shoot often to stay in good practice. The best defense is a strong offense. Guns don't kill people, poor legislation does.

17ghk
January 3, 2013, 07:32 PM
some sound like the fight is already over. find the numbers to your state senators, congressman and even your state governor and call them and express your displeasure with a ban. finding the numbers is easy and I got a real person on the phone each time. Oh yea join the nra if not already a member. keep the pressure on and be heard! I only have bb guns but if I had an ar it might get stolen out of my truck and sold.

mitranoc
January 3, 2013, 07:42 PM
some sound like the fight is already over. find the numbers to your state senators, congressman and even your state governor and call them and express your displeasure with a ban. finding the numbers is easy and I got a real person on the phone each time. Oh yea join the nra if not already a member. keep the pressure on and be heard! I only have bb guns but if I had an ar it might get stolen out of my truck and sold.

Exactly! I emailed both of my state senators and congressman last night. This needs to happen from everyone...keep spreading the word.


Speaking of BB guns, I don't recall seeing the Drozd Blackbird, etc. on Feinstein's list.

tgreening
January 3, 2013, 08:01 PM
What do I think? I think it will take a bit of patience and the public/government is going to move on to the latest Issue of the Moment. I think the gun grab-everything-at-all-cost extremists will hoot and holler and try to keep the issue in the forefront, and lose in the long run. They may make some gain, but I don't believe it's going to be the Firearmegedon that many seem to believe.

Price problems are our fault. People have panicked and bought everything in sight and the ONLY political thing that has happened so far is a bunch of rhetoric. If anyone should have learned ANYTHING by now, it's that our government moves at a pace that would make a turtle look like The Flash.

In short, at this point people have freaked out over nothing and have served mainly to clear the shelves, line the pockets of opportunistic people/companies, drive prices through the roof, and give manufacturers an excuse to keep those prices elevated.

I watched a guy today at my LGS drop just short of $2,500 on a bare bones, box stock Colt in 9mm. I know for a fact that prior to this fiasco the Colt version of this rifle with all the Magpul goodies was on the shelves for just shy of half that money. I know because I'd had my eye on it and hesitated one day too long and missed out.

All this because of what MIGHT happen...at some undetermined date in the future.

Personally, I'd rather this post, this thread, and most threads like it that seem to be full of mostly conjecture, would be locked/deleted. I feel they serve little to no purpose.

Powderman
January 3, 2013, 08:48 PM
I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.

I took an oath--a few times over. It stated that I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The people in DC would do very well to remember the last time that was tried on these shores.

The British Army sent a detachment to confiscate arms, powder and shot from a group of colonials.

They went to a small town called Concord; in front of them were some Colonists--who stood armed and ready.

On April 19, 1775, one Major John Pitcairn, second in command of the British, said--in an effort to prevent bloodshed:

"Disperse, you damned rebels! Disperse!"

I believe we all know how that worked out.

In the ensuing contretemps, the United States of America was born--in bloody revolution. Some of those colonists were our Founding Fathers. They authored our Constitution, and enumerated and recognized certain rights, which were noted as our Bill of Rights.

One of those rights is the Second Amendment. It was never about sporting purposes. In short--our Founding Fathers knew that the only way to ensure our continuing freedom was to ensure that our citizens were armed.

I have seldom seen a more thorough articulation of what our firearms mean than an opinion, authored by a Justice of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, cited here in an excerpt:

The majority falls prey to the delusion — popular in some circles — that ordinary people are too careless and stupid to own guns, and we would be far better off leaving all weapons in the hands of professionals on the government payroll. But the simple truth — born of experience — is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people. Our own sorry history bears this out: Disarmament was the tool of choice for subjugating both slaves and free blacks in the South. In Florida, patrols searched blacks' homes for weapons, confiscated those found and punished their owners without judicial process. See Robert J. Cottrol & Raymond T. Diamond, The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration, 80 Geo. L.J. 309, 338 (1991). In the North, by contrast, blacks exercised their right to bear arms to defend against racial mob violence. Id. at 341-42. As Chief Justice Taney well appreciated, the institution of slavery required a class of people who lacked the means to resist. See Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393, 417, 15 L.Ed. 691 (1857) (finding black citizenship unthinkable because it would give blacks the right to "keep and carry arms wherever they went"). A revolt by Nat Turner and a few dozen other armed blacks could be put down without much difficulty; one by four million armed blacks would have meant big trouble.

All too many of the other great tragedies of history — Stalin's atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Holocaust, to name but a few — were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. 570*570 Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia Act required here. See Kleinfeld Dissent at 578-579. If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wehrmacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars.

My excellent colleagues have forgotten these bitter lessons of history. The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed — where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. (Enphasis added)

--Silveira v. Lockyer, 328 F. 3d 567 - Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit 2003

Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake. I will NOT lay down my arms. Nor will I yield them. Nor will I participate in any activity to unlawfully confiscate these arms.

And any one who wants, can take that as they will. I am an American, not a subject. I bow to no one. Too many good men and women have laid their lives upon the cause of freedom for me to yield without a whimper.

I have faith, still, that our differences can be resolved at the legislative and judicial level. I have faith that we can change our circumstances with the rule of law, and by the ballot box as long as we exercise our right to vote.

But I am an American. And to simply roll over and show my belly in the face of this is not in my nature, nor in my upbringing. I will not let some petty, scared people dictate my future nor my actions. I--and my son, and my wife--are Americans. We will not forget nor abrogate that privilege.

For those who wish to do so, please--go to this site's library, and read the essay "Metal and Wood" by Dennis Bateman. We have not lost yet, my fellow citizens. Let's stop acting like we have.

Metal god
January 3, 2013, 09:10 PM
Personally, I'd rather this post, this thread, and most threads like it that seem to be full of mostly conjecture, would be locked/deleted. I feel they serve little to no purpose

Everything thats talked about does not need a purpose . Sometimes it's just friends and or people with a common interest talking .

I really get bummed sometimes when the mods close things that get long winded or what ever . Sometimes it turns in to people just having a conversation . :)

tgreening
January 3, 2013, 09:32 PM
Metal God:

I agree, to a point. Sometimes mods can get a little gung-ho keeping things on topic. Not just here, but in most any forum covering any subject.

Any subject, no matter how much you're into it, can get a bit stale if that's all you're allowed to talk about. A little off-topic discourse can act as a bit of a, break if you will.

With that said I think certain things are just better off left alone. For me this is one of those conversations since, to me, it does little except to feed into fear, and has the potential for a negative impact. Fear of things that may or may not happen, basic on little more than conjecture, and a lot of that driven by individual fears which themselves may have no factual basis.

Aaaaanyway, how 'bout that weather? :)

jimbob86
January 3, 2013, 09:52 PM
I took an oath--a few times over. It stated that I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.


I did, as well.....

Personally, I'd rather this post, this thread, and most threads like it that seem to be full of mostly conjecture, would be locked/deleted. I feel they serve little to no purpose

I agree, to a point. Sometimes mods can get a little gung-ho keeping things on topic. Not just here, but in most any forum covering any subject.


The topic was "Future Value of AR-15s if Permanent AWB Actually Enacted".

I took an oath. The value of that AR is 0$, because if that happens, it is PRICELESS. It will likely cost me all I love, my Life, my Fortune ...... all but my Sacred Honor .... it was "All Enemies, Foreign AND Domestic......"

Edward429451
January 3, 2013, 10:06 PM
Agreed. Priceless.

Palmetto-Pride
January 4, 2013, 12:07 AM
At some point in ones life one must draw a line and chose sides I think it's time for anyone who cares to own a gun step up to the plate and do everything in their power to preserve this right.

Logs
January 4, 2013, 07:53 AM
I think the prices will drop in six months. I also think people shouldn't have all this Hate for people making money on the high prices. The inventory is nothing right now and if you don't like the prices then don't buy. You don't need an AR or even a PMag to live. Buds Gunshop had pmags at $30 Each limit 4 last week and then while people were in line went to $40 Each with people still getting 4 as fast as they would ring them up. :rolleyes:

I was against putting a Socialist Man back in the White House so I am not going to get upset that Supply and Demand is in full swing. What are shops suppose to do? Give a mag to each person for free so that everyone has one? Sounds like another gov't program. :eek:

jolly roger
January 4, 2013, 11:02 AM
Well..my LGS told a story of a guy that bought 2 M1A SOCOMS in order to "make a profit". He sold them back at a loss when he found no buyers when his credit card bill came in. I'm just going to hang onto what I have...

17ghk
January 4, 2013, 02:14 PM
Value of my AR would be same as my freedom priceless :D

DAdams
January 4, 2013, 04:08 PM
As always...buy low, sell high.

Here is Diane Feinsteins current proposal for Legislation. This will go to the Biden Committee. One piece of legislation specified that heirs could not receive said items from a deceased estate. They had to be relinquished.

Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms;
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

tobnpr
January 4, 2013, 09:09 PM
And after this, we'll be limited to break-open, single shot .22 LR's...

I don't believe much will happen in the end, as public opinion, outside the far left that's always been "that way", hasn't changed much- even in recent polling. The fact that the AWB has already been there, and done that, doesn't lend a lot of credence to their war cry.

HOWEVER, take nothing for granted. The Senate...maybe...The House...no way...PROVIDED we speak as loudly as those who oppose us.

CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES!

Hairbag
January 5, 2013, 12:14 AM
Wondering if the feds pass any anti-gun laws such as mags etc and pro-gun states so no who will trump? Fed law does not always trump state law and some conflict. Fed law does not always have absolute power over states. I know they have absolute power of certain matters like drugs etc. Look at CA medical marjuana is legal and the feds said no but they still do it. I think the feds have to come in and enforce that law while the state and local police do not?

Art Eatman
January 5, 2013, 09:31 AM
As tobnpr said, "Contact your representatives."