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katana8869
December 28, 2012, 09:34 PM
With the economy being what it is, choices in H/D can often come down to money available. With AR'S now selling in the 2K range thanks to panic buying due to fears of a new AWB, these two guns with price tags in the $250 range have a certain appeal. If you were on a budget, which one of these guns would you chose and why? Just to make it interesting... let's also assume that the 10/22 comes with a 25 round Ruger magazine. That's 25 little .22 "stingers" vs 10 9mm's. Thoughts?

spacecoast
December 28, 2012, 09:41 PM
I have a hi-point carbine and it is a solid and fun rifle, and I think a reasonable HD firearm. The Ruger is versatile and everyone needs a .22 rifle. I will be interested in reading the responses.

Alabama Shooter
December 28, 2012, 09:51 PM
For HD, where there is someone wanting to cause you harm already inside your home the 9mm will provide much better terminal performance against targets. The HiPoint is much less likely to jam too.

No1der
December 28, 2012, 09:52 PM
I can tell you that I'm going to be buying a Ruger 10/22. Hadn't planned to and was actually shopping around for a gun for my 12 year old nephew but was convinced to get him a bolt action as his first gun. It was too late as I kinda fell in love with the Ruger so what was suggested was that I buy him a bolt action and I buy the 10/22 and if he can prove he's responsible with the bolt action then next year for Christmas he might get the Ruger from me. In the meantime I get to have fun with it.

I don't really need it but it switched from thinking about it to wanting it.

I kinda doubt that .22s are going to be on any kind of weapons ban. That's just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.

Nine the Ranger
December 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
I'd have to say the Hi-Point too, while 25 rounds of .22 does not sound appealing to be shot with, I'd go with the 9mm based on on terminal performance.

bacardisteve
December 28, 2012, 09:56 PM
I wouldnt trust any rimfire for self defense. Not just because of lack of power but because of the primer. 22lr are prone to having a bad primer every couple hundred rds especially with bulk ammo. Doesnt sound like much but a click instead of a bang could be a very bad thing in some situations.

shortwave
December 28, 2012, 11:05 PM
Ruger 10/22 vs Hi-point 9mm carbine for HD which one and why?

My pick would be the HP 9mm carbine.

While I really like the 10/22, the HP 9mm carbine is usually very dependable and I'd surely rather have the 9mm rd for HD.

No1der
December 29, 2012, 01:25 AM
Most of my experience is with pistols but the thing that a .22 has going for it is that anyone in your family will be able to use it effectively with minimal experience with rifles. Also, they are fun and ammo is dirt cheap.

Once again, take it for what it's worth as I don't claim any extreme rifle knowledge besides having owned a .22 as a youngster as well as firing several of my friends rifles at the range and out in the wilderness.

Bamashooter
December 29, 2012, 04:19 AM
I have both a 10/22 and a hi-point 9mm. The 10/22 is super reliable and with quality ammunition like cci mini mag's, stingers, or velocitors I wouldnt hesitate to use it in a HD situation. The hi-point is also extremely reliable and I would honestly rather use 9mm to protect my family.

Redhawk5.5+P+
December 29, 2012, 05:25 AM
Flip a coin. thats the best.

TBS I like a hand gun over a rifle for HD.

TripHlx
December 29, 2012, 05:56 AM
I would choose the Hi-Point for HD, rather have the 9mm. Wouldn't feel undergunned with just the 10/22 though.

Pilot
December 29, 2012, 08:16 AM
Where do you guys come up with these comparisons? :confused:

Alabama Shooter
December 29, 2012, 10:59 AM
Where do you guys come up with these comparisons?

I am guessing a limitation by variety and choice? There are many better options than either at that price point.

dondavis3
December 29, 2012, 11:34 AM
I just went through the same decision process that you're going through.

And I decided on the Ruger 10/22 take down

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/Ruger1022with25roundmag.jpg


http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/Ruger1022.jpg

I like the back pack that came with - the 25 round mags

And the portability.

Very accurate gun.

:cool:

4runnerman
December 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
WHile i have 2 10/22's and they are very good rifles. The story is most HD issues go down at 3 feet or less i think. In that situation the rifle might be a bad choice. To easy to block when you need to spin or turn. I go for the pistol also. Not because of size,just because of ease of manuverability in a tight corner.

Onward Allusion
December 29, 2012, 03:17 PM
katana8869
Ruger 10/22 vs Hi-point 9mm carbine for HD which one and why?
With the economy being what it is, choices in H/D can often come down to money available. With AR'S now selling in the 2K range thanks to panic buying due to fears of a new AWB, these two guns with price tags in the $250 range have a certain appeal. If you were on a budget, which one of these guns would you chose and why? Just to make it interesting... let's also assume that the 10/22 comes with a 25 round Ruger magazine. That's 25 little .22 "stingers" vs 10 9mm's. Thoughts?


I would not choose a carbine as primary HD unless I lived in a house that had huge open areas and even then I would have to think twice.

Ridge_Runner_5
December 29, 2012, 03:50 PM
A .22 is f'n worthless for home defense. Between the two, get the HiPoint.

In case you actually do need to use it to defend yourself, I've fired a 995 indoors without earpro. Lost my hearing for about 5 minutes, but it came back. No tinnitus other lasting effects.

BigTex308
December 29, 2012, 04:47 PM
10/22. Proven, reliable, accurate, cheap to shoot, a million custom options available. Just use CCI ammo and quality mags

But for home defense I'd get a shot gun


Ike

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katana8869
December 29, 2012, 08:15 PM
I had my 10 y/o daughter out today shooting the 10/22. She did a great job! We fired 150 rounds or so with no malfunctions so I really am feeling like I agree with those who say it is like flipping a coin. I do like the extra reliability of a centerfire cartridge though..... decisions, decisions! lol

Onward Allusion
December 29, 2012, 10:24 PM
Ridge_Runner_5
A .22 is f'n worthless for home defense.

I wouldn't go that far.

Each round of 22LR from a 10/22 (rifle) packs close to 200 lbs of muzzle energy with the right cartridge (40gr LRN Aguila Interceptor). That's about the same energy as a 38 Special Snub with standard pressure rounds.

Onward Allusion
December 29, 2012, 10:28 PM
katana8869
I had my 10 y/o daughter out today shooting the 10/22. She did a great job! We fired 150 rounds or so with no malfunctions so I really am feeling like I agree with those who say it is like flipping a coin. I do like the extra reliability of a centerfire cartridge though..... decisions, decisions! lol

If you do decide on a 10/22, I would not recommend Stingers as a SD cartridge. The slightly (very slightly) longer case length can cause problems. I'd stick with a high quality hyper velocity LRN 22LR.

Ridge_Runner_5
December 30, 2012, 11:57 AM
I wouldn't go that far.

Each round of 22LR from a 10/22 (rifle) packs close to 200 lbs of muzzle energy with the right cartridge (40gr LRN Aguila Interceptor). That's about the same energy as a 38 Special Snub with standard pressure rounds.

And a tiny hole with zero fragmentation/blossoming.

A 9mm hollow point will deliver a much greater wound and is more likely to actually stop a threat.

Onward Allusion
December 30, 2012, 03:27 PM
All I'm saying is that it isn't FN worthless. A 40gr 22LR bullet coming out of a 10/22 at 1,400+ fps is far from useless and will do damage. I highly doubt a BG getting 25 (or even 10) 40gr 22LR rounds into their chest at that speed would continue to move.

Yes, I know it isn't a 9mm throwing out 300 lb & a hole 60% bigger or even a snub in 38 Special with ~ 170 lb & a 60% larger hole.

If it came down to whether it would be 10 rounds of 9mm from a HP carbine or 25 rounds of 22LR from a Ruger 10/22, it would be a hard choice if the application (HD) were the same.

Bamashooter
December 30, 2012, 05:04 PM
Plenty of robbers and bad guys will bad intentions have been sent to meet their maker because of a .22lr. To say a .22lr is worthless doesnt even make sense. Its a firearm. Not my first choice for defense but I wouldnt hesitate to use one and feel confident I could acheive my goal when using one. Come on man.

DATL
December 30, 2012, 05:37 PM
I'm with AlabamaShooter here. I can't say I'd ever pick either of these weapons for home defense. But I'll play along:

I think I 'd go with the Ruger. If you, or whoever you are buying for do not have a good 10-22 it's the first thing I would buy. You can fire through whatever sized clip just as fast as you can work your finger. I mean, I am no badman, and have no criminal record- but a banana clip of hot .22's would deter me from committing a crime! (and I am a very athletic 6' 3"/220lb guy).

I do prefer the caliber of the High Point, but I had a bad experience with that brand. I bought one of their 9mm pistols back in college (around 2003 or so). It was $100 or so. I figured it would make a good camping/kayaking pistol. I could never get it to shoot reliably. The first round of the clip never chambered correctly. I tried a lot of different ammo. Just when I would start to think it was fixed it would randomly FTL or FTE midway in the clip... I literally gave the thing away.

Sure, perhaps I got a dud. Maybe it just needed tuning? Who knows. The local gun shop stopped carrying them and did not have nice things to say about them.

But I will say, an uncle of mine has a Hi Point carbine and claims it's pretty reliable. I don't know. I won't give another one a chance. I'd personally just save for something better.

ohiomossyoak
December 30, 2012, 05:52 PM
Lets not compare the HP carbines to the pistols..The carbines are highly reliable and fun as heck to shoot....The newer HP pistols have a slightly worse track record,but nothing the factory wont fix in a timely manner.....Of the two options given by the OP I would go with the HP....But you could pick up a new or used pistol for close to the same price range give or take...30$ or so for a S&W SD9VE(17 round of 9mm:D) or a Gen 2 glock police trade or any number or other guns.CZ-82 perhaps;)?I still like HP carbines an would recommend one anyways:)

cajun47
December 31, 2012, 03:08 PM
i like my sawed off 12 ga with #4 buck for hd but i also have a 10/22 with a 25 round mag of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDo_PbAvJc

far from worthless. good luck finding the ruger 25 round mags.

Ridge_Runner_5
December 31, 2012, 09:24 PM
Gotta say, I like the related video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92j3g168dIY

SVO
December 31, 2012, 10:33 PM
The Hi-Point carbine seems to be the weapon of choice for Preppers.

The 10-22 is a good gun but the 22LR is a bit light compared to the 9mm.

Not one of your choices, but I'd look for a shotgun over the Hi-Point tho.

adamc
January 7, 2013, 03:27 PM
Own both and like both...

My son got a (nib) hi point 9mm for xmas.
I had no experience with them, but it is very fun to shoot..

My 10/22 is about 1980 vintage with 0% failures...

IMO neither is good for HD,

go with a shotgun

dgludwig
January 8, 2013, 02:28 PM
10/22. Proven, reliable, accurate, cheap to shoot, a million custom options available. Just use CCI ammo and quality mags

But for home defense I'd get a shot gun

I agree with both of BigTex's points but especially the argument for the shotgun if it's the only gun to be had for HD. Mossberg Mavericks, chambered in 12 gauge, were selling nib @ Dick's Sporting Goods for $179.99 a few weeks ago.

kozak6
January 8, 2013, 06:59 PM
You can't count on being able to get off all 25 rounds in the Ruger magazine.

You may only be able to get off one or two shots, which would make the Hi Point the better choice.

However, there are also a variety of budget pump shotguns in the price range. That's what I would prefer. A Walmart Maverick 88 would be just the ticket.

Justice06RR
January 8, 2013, 09:50 PM
My choice would be a used 12ga shotgun for the same $250...

Zen Archery
January 9, 2013, 07:44 AM
I'm an end results person. You want an HD gun. .22 vs 9mm? I'm going with a .147 gr bullet over a .30 gr bullet for HD.

Plus a carbine was designed for CQC/CQB

I own both the Ruger 10/22 Archangel Stock and the Hi Point 995ts ATI Stock. Love both but if someone is kicking in my door I'm grabbing the 9mm.

Bartholomew Roberts
January 9, 2013, 09:50 AM
In self defense with a firearm, you are dealing with an immediate threat of death or serious injury. This means you absolutely need the firearm to go bang when called on.

I am only familiar with the 10/22 and while it is a good rifle, my experience has been that .22 semi-autos are very ammo sensitive.

However, assuming both rifles are equally reliable and you test your ammo selection, your next task is putting lead on meat. Which rifle are you more competent with? Which one can you manipulate in extreme stress? One-handed? With someone hanging on to the muzzle? Once you have training and handling issues down, you can start worrying about what happens to the person you shot.

There are basically two ways you stop someone with a firearm: psychological (Ow! That hurts! I do not want to be shot!) and physical (blood pressure drops to the brain and person becomes unconscious).

Psychological relies on your attacker's mindset and is not something that can be controlled reliably. To stop someone physically, you have to disrupt their central nervous system or cause a substantial loss of blood by damaging large, blood bearing organs. In order to do that, you need enough mass to penetrate to where those structures are located. Bullet design will of course play a role; but in general, 9mm is going to have an advantage here as well as make a bigger hole.

All of those aspects taken together will help decide what is right for you.

ratshooter
January 9, 2013, 04:10 PM
Since you ask for HD I would have to go with the Hi-Point 9mm. But the 22 would work just about as well especially with a hicap mag. Plus your kids and wife could use it with very little training. But that could be said for the 9mm too.

I have both and my hipoint seems to be on permanent loan to my oldest son. I do have a marlin camp carbine that ain't going nowhere but here. I really like that gun.

But on the other side of the coin how much chance is there that you will be home invaded or burlarized? I have been buying HD guns for 35 years or better and haven't needed one yet. I have a 12 guage and a 10/22 plus a mini-14 all ready for an attack. Thankfully none has came.

If you just want to shoot and have a gun that will do in a pinch for HD get the 10/22. Learn to use it and keep a low profile. Practice is cheap. Don't advertise what you own. And the Maverick shotguns are a good deal. My buddy has one. It will do what you want to protect your home.

ratshooter
January 9, 2013, 04:41 PM
Just thought I would add that if you want 22s that will expand everytime get the Remington Yellow Jackets. I did a bunch of test many years ago and the YJ rounds just simply work. Everytime.

Art Eatman
January 9, 2013, 09:52 PM
A major part of the home defense issue is stopping. A .22 will indeed kill, but it's not much of a stopper. A person wounded by a .22 is far more likely to continue hostile action than a person wounded by a 9mm. In comparison, the 9mm is much more of a stopper.

Onward Allusion
January 9, 2013, 11:01 PM
Heh, Hi Point Carbines are going for $500 to $600 on Gunbroker and they're not even hi-cap anything! Insane!

ratshooter
January 10, 2013, 12:26 PM
One of my son's friends went to the GS a couple of weeks ago to get an AR and of course didn't find one. He did get a Hi-Point 9mm and paid $400 for it. I thought he got took. If they are $600 now I guess he didn't. I may have to get mine back from my son and see what it will bring.

Hey Art I know a 22 isn't much of a stopper. My point was to not worry as much about invaders but to get a gun the OP can have fun with. If Hi-Points are $600 he can get a 10/22 and the Maverick SG for the same amount. Another poster said they were still on sale for $179 but I don't remember where.

Even during the 2008 ammo scare you could nearly always find 12/20 guage shotshells.

I had an aquaintance that got in a fight with a neighbor. He stupidly followed the neighbor into his house. The neighbor grabbed a loaded 22 rifle and shot him several times in the chest. And it didn't stop him. He turned around and ran out of the house. He made it all the way to the sidewalk where he collasped and died. He didn't live more than a few seconds after the shooting started.

Inazone
January 10, 2013, 10:37 PM
I was asking this question (well, .22 vs 9mm) a couple years ago. Although I do own a couple of .22LR rifles and numerous 9mm handguns, I ended up buying a Hi-Point 995TS as well. After owning it for roughly a year and running every kind of ammo I could find through it, I can't say enough good things about that ugly SOB. Accuracy is great, recoil is slim to none, it will reliably eat any kind of ammo, and Hi-Point's customer service is fantastic. I managed to lose my front sight due to my own inattention, and a two-minute phone call got me a free replacement within a few days.

I wish I could find the link, but I did find a chart outlining ballistics info for various ammo through different barrel lengths, and from what I recall, 9mm in 124-grain through a 16" barrel (such as the Hi-Point) was the only 9mm round still gaining velocity when it left the barrel. Don't quote me on that, as I can't find that chart now, but it was pretty interesting. Whether that's 100% accurate or not, I can say with complete certainty that I've never experienced the same reliability with ANY .22 firearm that I have with the Hi-Point.

5whiskey
January 10, 2013, 10:52 PM
9mm in 124-grain through a 16" barrel (such as the Hi-Point) was the only 9mm round still gaining velocity when it left the barrel.

Don't quote me, either, but I think it would have more to do with the powder than the bullet grain. Slower is almost always better when we're talking longer barrels. The thing is, almost all 9mm powders are very quick burning so few 9mm rounds gain much from the last 4" or so of barrel on the Hi-point. Either way, it's still doing more than it would out of a pistol.

To the OP (if his mind isn't made up, this thread is old), I would go with the Hi-point. It's not that I love the carbine... I really don't. I would prefer a 10/22 all day for plinking, hunting, fun, etc. You're asking about home defense. A 10/22 would be reliable if it weren't for the ammo feeding it. I don't trust any brand of .22 ammo to be 100% (or even 99%) reliable.

HawkeyeNRAlifer
January 14, 2013, 11:38 PM
I have a Hi-Point with the ATI stock and three 10/22's to choose from. While I have many other firearms that would be a better choice, if I had to grab one of the two it would be the 9mm. That said, if I only had a 10/22 available in an shtf situation, I'd make it work.

jkloeker
January 15, 2013, 08:25 PM
While I think there are better choices, I dont think either one is a bad gun when compared to no gun. Here is a link to a recent article where a .22 was enough.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-09-04/intruder-alert/57580692/1

The best part? Because the gun was used in a murder, it had to be confiscated. Many local residents offered there guns for protection and the local pawn shop told him he could borrow any gun he felt comfortable with!