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aarondhgraham
November 15, 2012, 05:23 PM
The reason I am asking is that I have been offered a nice amount of money if I can duplicate this picture exactly.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=84857&stc=1&d=1353018061

I know where I can rent any of several machine guns for the photo shoot,,,
If someone could identify this one for me,,,
I can query the prop-house for one.

Thanks in advance gentlemen.

Aarond

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medalguy
November 15, 2012, 10:46 PM
Looks like an early 1919 Browning but the tripod gets me. Sorry don't have any manuals handy. You might try posting this on 1919A4 .com for more info.

scsov509
November 15, 2012, 11:05 PM
I'm no expert on historical firearms, but I'll wager a guess from what I can see in the photo. Hopefully someone else will be able to verify or clarify more specifically. :)

Looks to me like it might be a Browning M1918 from what you can see in the picture. You can see the charging handle on the top of the receiver at the rear which means it isn't a 1919 variant since they had charging handles on the right side of the receiver attached to the bolt. The 1917 was a water-cooled gun that looks a lot like the one in the photo, but because it was water cooled it had a huge shroud around the barrel to facilitate cooling. Then in 1918 they released a lighter air-cooled version of the 1917 called the M1918 that was intended for aircraft usage. Because of this it ditched the water jacket and opted for a heavier barrel and shroud which it appears might be the case in this photo.

So that's my guess from what I can see, hopefully it at least helps you start in the right direction as far as identification. :cool:

Creeper
November 15, 2012, 11:34 PM
Looks like an early 1919 Browning but the tripod gets me.The tripod is a Vickers Mk IV. :D

RJay
November 15, 2012, 11:35 PM
???? What machine gun???

The Comedian
November 15, 2012, 11:36 PM
It does appear to be a 1918, as mentioned above. Here is a picture of one, and I think it is obviously this:
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2543&PN=1

Casimer
November 16, 2012, 12:07 AM
???? What machine gun???

Yeah - the hard part is going to be finding the girl!

Double Naught Spy
November 16, 2012, 07:54 AM
I can't say that it is the 1918 prototype or the 1919. Things fail to match both ways. The heat shield cutouts style was used on both, apparently, but is rare. That the heat shield appears to taper into the receiver housing isn't something I can find on any other images. If the gun is a production Browning, then finding what is apparently a rare variant is not likely to be as simple as going down to the local machinegun rental place, I am afraid.

BillM
November 16, 2012, 08:34 AM
Looks like WWII era art. Stembridge has been in business
since around 1920---there is a chance that the gun is not
a original, but a movie prop gun that has features from more
that one Browning model.

aarondhgraham
November 16, 2012, 12:48 PM
???? What machine gun???

Yeah - the hard part is going to be finding the girl!

Nope, I already have the model for the shoot,,,
My client claims this is his wife's great grandmother.

I actually have no idea whether this is true or not,,,
But I must say the resemblance between the two ladies in uncanny.

Thanks for the info on the machine gun and tripod,,,
Now I have a starting point to work from.

Aarond

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1 old 0311-1
November 16, 2012, 03:51 PM
Looks like a prop gun to me. Look where the belt goes into the receiver. Ever seen that much daylight before?

James K
November 16, 2012, 05:09 PM
I agree. I think it is one of many dummy guns made for display and training during WWII. Some were used in movies because the real guns were desperately needed by the fighting forces. I don't now recall the name of the movie, but scenes supposedly inside a B-17 showed .30 caliber size waist guns somewhat like that one.

Jim

Moby
November 16, 2012, 05:11 PM
Sorry, my leggs just arn't that pretty.