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pumkin
November 2, 2012, 10:18 AM
Hi, I have bought some lowers. I havent had a AR 15 before. I'm looking for some recomendations on what brand, or brand and model of magazines.
I heard 30 round mags could be unreliable, and that 20 rounds was the ideal mag. Is that so? Anyway, if I can get some different views on different magazines, and your reasons, it would help me. I like to save money as much as anyone else, but I don't want junk or anything that has problems. I'm thinking of getting at least a half dozen. Any responses are appreciated.

MtnCreek
November 2, 2012, 11:22 AM
P-Mags are best bang-for-buck. IME, 30rd P-mags and quality alum mags (like Kay) are as reliable as 20rd'ers. The fist AR mags I bought were cheap and would malfunction often. Don't buy cheap mags....

moxie
November 2, 2012, 11:33 AM
Both 20 and 30 round P-mags have been totally reliable for me. The 20 round mags are "handier" and better for shooting from prone or bench. Get them here:
http://www.botachtactical.com/magpulpmag.html

Crow Hunter
November 2, 2012, 11:44 AM
Personally, my preference is for GI aluminum mags.

Specifically:

30 rd mags

http://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_magazine_magpul_follower/223_ar15_magazines

and

20 rd mags

http://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_20_ar15_magazine/223_ar15_magazines

NHMTG is the civilian side of Okay Industries, which manufactures mags for the Army and also Colt.

http://www.okayind.com/

I had about 100 Pmags at one time and I didn't like them that much for my usage. (Hard to get into and out of pouches and quickly wearing mag release notches, and bulkier)

Others REALLY like them, and they seem to be a sound option.

Downeast
November 2, 2012, 11:54 AM
Another vote for P-Mags, either 20 or 30 rounders :D

allaroundhunter
November 2, 2012, 02:57 PM
If you want reliable 30 round magazines, either use PMags, or use USGI mags with anti-tilt followers.

BillyJack3
November 2, 2012, 05:03 PM
PMAGs and DSG Aluminum with Tan Magpul followers. All in 30 rounders. Not sure where you heard that 30 round mags were unreliable. That's the first time I've ever heard that. However, I have heard of issues with 20 round PMAGs on several occasions. Never had any personal experience with them though.

madcratebuilder
November 3, 2012, 08:02 AM
Wideners has a sale on 30rd aluminum mags with black Teflon finish and yellow followers in lots of 10. Great mags with the latest version follower.

Sport45
November 3, 2012, 08:15 AM
My Brownells magazines have never given me any problems.

Creeper
November 3, 2012, 08:32 AM
NHMTG is the civilian side of Okay Industries, which manufactures mags for the Army and also Colt.
Another vote for Okay Ind. mags. I have some 20 rounders that I bought back in the late 70s for under $5 a piece that still work fine.

C

hasbro_fan
November 3, 2012, 08:45 AM
Pmags, or pick up used at shows. I have 20 and 30, both sizes work fine. 20 is easier from a bench or prone.

Achilles11B
November 3, 2012, 12:45 PM
Yet another vote for PMags. A good alternative is the GI issue mags with PMag follower. Can't go wrong with either.

mitranoc
November 3, 2012, 12:56 PM
Have been very happy with 30 round PMags. I've had some issues with a 20 rounder, but I found a fix that I'm doing this weekend.

RadioFlyer8
November 3, 2012, 04:18 PM
I use 30 rd and 20 rd PMags and have had no issues.

I have 5 of each for the reason stated above. 20 rd mags are easier to use while shooting prone.

Nathan
November 3, 2012, 06:19 PM
Like others have said, Pmags are great. I like the USGI D&H mags w/ Magpul followers. There may be others in this class. There are definitely worse. Buyer beware.

The next key is how to get them for $12 or less each. For that, you need to access the knowledge of AR15.com. I bought D&H for $11 each from BCM. PSA has them for an even better price when you buy 10.

Metal god
November 3, 2012, 09:57 PM
Pmags work great if they are the newer ones . I also bought some AR-Stoner mags that work great

Have been very happy with 30 round PMags. I've had some issues with a 20 rounder, but I found a fix that I'm doing this weekend.

I have 2 older 20 round pmags that suck . Feed jams every time I use them . What is the fix you have .cus if I can't fix them they are going in the trash

HankB
November 3, 2012, 10:05 PM
I've mostly got Brownell's mags and they work fine - not a bad deal at under $12 each. The USGI and the NHMTG mags I've got also work fine, as well as both P-mags in my kit.

Thinking back now, the only mag that ever gave me any trouble was a refinished USGI 20 rounder that I got at a gun show during the dark days of the Clinton AWB . . . it was worn out and I was taken in by the nice refinish. :mad: Caveat emptor!

You can find a lot of information and opinions at http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/17_Magazines.html Some FAQ information is dated, but overall it's a good starting reference.

One thing - I highly recommend the LULA loader/unloader accessory! It makes loading easy, and if you want to, you can unload a 30 round mag in a matter of seconds.

p loader
November 3, 2012, 10:34 PM
PMAGs and DSG Aluminum with Tan Magpul followers. All in 30 rounders. Not sure where you heard that 30 round mags were unreliable. That's the first time I've ever heard that. However, I have heard of issues with 20 round PMAGs on several occasions. Never had any personal experience with them though.

Probably heard it from the same guy who says you should never load more than 25 rounds in a 30 round magazine, or from the guy who insists on tapping the mag on his head (helmet) prior to inserting it into the magazine well. :rolleyes:

FWIW I'm all for 30 round USGI mags or 30 round PMAGs.

Theohazard
November 3, 2012, 11:23 PM
I don't like P-Mags. The plastic feed lips can start to spread out if they're kept loaded too long, which of course will eventually affect reliability. That's why they come with the "dust covers": to keep that from happening. But that just makes it slower to load your weapon in an emergency. Also, P-Mags can melt with suppressor use.

Edward429451
November 4, 2012, 12:16 AM
Get the 30 round milspec mags. They have a number stamped on them to identify them as such. (33710 above the date code). The Okay Mags have it, the NHMTG mags have it, and some others like Cooper. If they turn out to have weak springs replace the springs and followers. I like the green followers.

I have a slew of 20 round Colt Mags. They don't have the number but work very well.

Powderman
November 4, 2012, 02:06 AM
This^^^

The number you're looking for is a CAGE (Civilian and Government Entity) code. The presence of this number means that the Gov't has officially designated them as parts or items for use by our troops.

PMAGS should carry a CAGE code, as well as authentic mil-std magazines.

mitranoc
November 4, 2012, 08:26 AM
Metal God -

Here's the fix (well hopefully) that I found.

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=197936

m.p.driver
November 4, 2012, 09:19 AM
I have used metal issued mags since the Army,and never had any issues.Recently been using P-Mags and they are nice.CDNN runs them at discount in their weekend e-sales and you can get them cheap.

customaquatics
November 4, 2012, 09:35 AM
the h&k mags if you wanna spend about $60 a pop.

The Long Shot
November 4, 2012, 05:11 PM
I'm loving the Lancer L5 AWM mags. They've proven to be as reliable and more durable as pmags. I like the L5 AWM mags because they ar made of polymer with STEEL FEED LIPS with a self leveling follower. I've seen too many PMAG's fail due to the feed lips.

Long story short, when I have to trust my life with my gear, I take my L5 AWM mags.

TankBu5ter94
November 5, 2012, 05:06 AM
Another vote for P-MAGS we have multiple. They have been very reliable considering some of the places we've shot at, plus they are really easy to tear down and clean.

Crow Hunter
November 5, 2012, 08:07 AM
This^^^

The number you're looking for is a CAGE (Civilian and Government Entity) code. The presence of this number means that the Gov't has officially designated them as parts or items for use by our troops.

PMAGS should carry a CAGE code, as well as authentic mil-std magazines.

Technically, the CAGE code just means they are allowed to sell to the government and that is how the government "remembers" who manufactures what.

Commercial and Government Entity. (CAGE)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_code

It doesn't mean they have ever passed any special requirements or anything. Only that they have gone through the process of acquiring a CAGE code so they can sell to the government.

It is useful for determining the actual manufacturer of an item though. For instance all NHMTG, OKAY and current production Colt magazines have CAGE Code 33710 which is OKAY Ind's code.

There have been some jerks that have taken junk aluminum bodies and put Colt or other manufacturer floor plates on them and sold them for way more than they are worth. So it pays to check CAGE codes if you are suspicious.

Also, the new SCAR 17 mags are all stamped 04TQ4, which is D&H Industries CAGE Code, which means although they are in a FN box, they are made in the US by D&H Industries.

For reference, MAGPULs CAGE code is 1LX50.

Justice06RR
November 6, 2012, 01:33 AM
Pmags or Lancer mags. Buy a few GI mags also, they are usually cheaper than the polymer alternatives.

Theohazard
November 6, 2012, 10:54 AM
It appears I'm in the minority for thinking P-Mags are complete junk because of those plastic feed lips. In my opinion, Lancers are so much better because their metal feed lips don't eventually stretch out.

johnwilliamson062
November 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
PMags, but I admit not to have used them in pouches/vests much. I think the only time I did I used AK pouches which are inherently larger and they fit well enough. If you were using them in pouches designed for aluminum AR mags I can see how they might not fit well.

The lancer magazine looks interesting. may try to get a hold of one to look at. A bit more expensive AND I don't like how they change the name on the 30 round to "Advanced War..." Not helping any one out with that crap.

dgludwig
November 9, 2012, 05:40 PM
I've had good luck using C-Product magazines.

madcratebuilder
November 11, 2012, 08:18 AM
USGI 30rd from D&H are $9. Grey or black Teflon with the new followers.

oryx
November 11, 2012, 09:05 AM
I have a lot of pmag in 20 & 30 rd and they have been ok, but in competition I have had failures during mag changes with the pmags. The issue for me was during the change, when I tapped on the bottom to ensure it was seated, the round would come out of the mag partially (pointing upwards) and when the bolt is released the round would jam. I only use them for general plinking now.

I pretty much stick to colt and brownells aluminum mags, now

FireForged
February 9, 2013, 06:30 PM
I have been shooting AR's since the 1980's and I have used all manner of ammo and magazines. I have made many errors and fell for many gimicks and brilliant marketing.

Here is my list of Magazines I would bet my life on: ( no particular order)

H&K 30 round (oem followers)

*USGI 30 ( except coopers, I dont like coopers)
* green followers or magpul followers

USGI 20 (oem metal follower)

Pmags of any kind

D&L sports 30 rounder (oem follower)

When I say USGI I mean actual companies who have been specifically contracted to and have supplied magazines to the troops. NOT usgi style or usgi spec or any other buz word that is other than contract mags.


If it doesnt appear on the my list, I will not use them.

FALPhil
February 9, 2013, 09:45 PM
I'm loving the Lancer L5 AWM mags. They've proven to be as reliable and more durable as pmags. I like the L5 AWM mags because they ar made of polymer with STEEL FEED LIPS with a self leveling follower. I've seen too many PMAG's fail due to the feed lips.

Long story short, when I have to trust my life with my gear, I take my L5 AWM mags.
That's my experience too. The old L5s were better than Pmags, and the AWMs are even better.

Puddle
February 10, 2013, 08:19 PM
ELander magazines: http://www.themakogroup.com/product_p/earm30%20w.htm

They are fantastic. Steel. Indestructible. Reliable. A little on the heavy side, but it is well worth the trade off for extreme reliability.

MarkCO
February 13, 2013, 10:54 AM
In order of preference for has to work...

Lancer AWM, AR-Stoner Stainless, PMags, Aluminum.

I tend to use PMags in competition because they are cheap and realiable and I knoow how to tell the feed lips are starting to roll out. They get stepped on, lost etc at matches as well.

When the suppressor or night rifle gets loaded up, only Lancers. The .450BM, only AR-Stoners.

Revoliver
February 13, 2013, 07:39 PM
I am really surprised no one's mentioned Troy Battlemags.

I love mine, fantastic magazines.

Justice06RR
February 14, 2013, 02:44 AM
After some more range time (indoor, 3-gun) using a slew of different mags, I'm now leaning towards Lancer's and GI mags (C-products, Brownells, etc). I was a big fan of Pmags, but somehow they do not always hold the bolt open after the last round, although the GI and Lancer mags do.

I'm not sure why; I used different Pmags and most of them are brand new. Its not the rifle or ammo either because I used different ammo on all of the mags, and the rifle works flawlessly.

Drhc116
February 14, 2013, 01:23 PM
I vote p-mags or lancers. But it is hard to beat a good ole cheap GI mag

Brotherbadger
February 14, 2013, 02:43 PM
I like Pmags, but pretty much everything mentioned will work very well. Lancers, Troy, Pmags, can't go wrong with any of those.

BillyJack3
February 14, 2013, 03:25 PM
It appears I'm in the minority for thinking P-Mags are complete junk because of those plastic feed lips. In my opinion, Lancers are so much better because their metal feed lips don't eventually stretch out.

Pics or personal experience? With the millions sold, I've never seen failure and I don't know anyone personally that has either. People question this a lot but aside from a couple of situations, this seems to be a non-issue.

MarkCO
February 14, 2013, 06:22 PM
Pmags...I've had one go full dump and a few just start to double feed. Use them enough (shooting, not just storing them) and they will start to roll out the feedlips.

Panfisher
February 15, 2013, 04:31 PM
I have one 30 rd mag, cheap aluminum that was given to me a couple weeks before things went crazy. Otherwise I much prefer the look and feel of the 20's, I bought a couple Stoner 20's and they have been great. Can you replace the old style follower with a new anti-tilt follower? I have a couple that are not anti--tilt and they don't always lock open on the last shot, thought it would be a simple fix if I can find a new follower.

iraiam
February 16, 2013, 02:24 PM
I have some Pmags and think they are good magazines.

Most of my mags are standard G.I. 30 round magazines, going back to before the 1994 AWB. They still work perfectly. Specifically I have many Center Industries, and Labelle.

I also have some new ASC and Defense Solutions Group that have not been used yet.