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November 1, 2012, 02:39 PM
I've always used a Mossberg 500 pump and it is easy to take off the barrel for cleaning. I am thinking about changing to a semi-auto and was looking at a few gun books and the disassembly seems a little more complicated. Any thoughts on this? Are there some semi-autos that disassemble easier than others?
November 1, 2012, 03:41 PM
No I do not find take down of a semi any different than a pump. If you can do one, you won't have problems with the other.
If you have problems you can always look on YouTube, somebody there I'm sure has a video on the gun your considering.
I've only owned two shotguns in my life. My first one was a Winchester 1100, a practical HD pump. Had it for about 20 years.
About 3 years ago I upgraded to a semi Mossberg 930SPX. I am very pleased with mine. And it was definately an upgrade well worth the money.
November 1, 2012, 05:02 PM
Their no different really( its like switching from a mountain bike to a BMX bike...as long as you know how to ride you'll be fine) BTW semi-autos are pretty fun.:cool:
November 1, 2012, 06:31 PM
There are 2 kinds of semi-autos ....the Inertia guns ( Benelli and others ) ...and gas operated ( Beretta, etc )....
The Inertia guns shoot a lot cleaner - and in general are easier to take care of.
But today's gas operated guns are pretty good as well.
Cleaning procedures on all pumps and semi-autos are about the same ...take off the barrel -- remove the bolt assembly -- and remove the trigger group...clean, lube and reassemble everything ....
To do that on most pumps or gas guns will probably take 20 - 30 min...
On a Benelli - its a little faster - maybe 10 - 15 min...
After you do it a few dozen times -you get quicker...
November 1, 2012, 06:47 PM
Actually there is a big difference if you are doing more than taking the barrel off with most guns. Lots more parts in the more complex semi's. Beretta's in particular are a bit more complex.
The Benelli's are about as simple as it gets in a semi and why I prefer them. Simple like a pump, but it does the work for me.
November 1, 2012, 07:36 PM
My auto loader only has five extra parts over it's same "brand" pump action cousin. Piston, piston spring, op rod, retainer pin, cocking handle. To remove just the barrel for cleaning, you only need to take off the magazine cap like most pump guns. The piston and springs are easily removed for cleaning if need be also.
November 1, 2012, 08:30 PM
I'm happy to jump on the Benelli Inertia bandwagon, as those have been the only type of shotgun I've bought in the past 25 years... my first being a wood stocked, H&K/Benelli SL-80 mod 121.
Saying that, the inertia Benellis are not for everyone. Price is the primary detractor... with good condition used guns selling for $850 and up.
If you're on a budget and you want a new semi-automatic that has a bit of proven (arguable) reliability... the CZ 712 Utility and Mossberg 930 are your only real options. I've had some experience with the CZ and prefer it over the Mossberg, but there's very little in the way of accessories readily available for the 712 at this time other than an adjustable stock and extended mag tube.
I'd still buy the CZ... just to be obstinate ol' cuss. ;)
November 1, 2012, 08:44 PM
I hate cleaning my Beretta 391, and I wouldn't trade it for any other. No matter which one you buy, after you take it apart a couple times, you'll wonder why you worried about it.
I would shy away from the ole Browning auto-5, that's a whole different animal. Don't get me wrong, they are wonderful shotguns, just different.
November 1, 2012, 11:56 PM
Gas guns cycle faster. 930 is a good deal for the $$$.
November 2, 2012, 08:22 AM
You are obsulutely correct. I think you can pay more, but you won't get a better gun. I am Italian (Eppie is my Bronx nickname for Giuseppe)still have uncles/aunts/cousins there, so I have nothing against the Benelli and Berettas. But I can't rationalize paying 3 times what the SPX costs.
November 2, 2012, 10:09 AM
Eppie and jmortimer- hope you two are still there, as I said- I already have a Mossberg 500 and I have bought turkey choke tubes, skeet choke tubes, etc so there would be a valid reason to go with a Mossberg 930. How do you like the gun? For a lot of game I'd use standard 2 3/4" dove/quail loads but in the spring maybe a 3" turkey load. How well do it handle different loads?
November 2, 2012, 10:13 AM
I don't hunt, only use use cylinder bore.
November 2, 2012, 01:30 PM
If you already have a Persuader, and don't have loose cash I would stick with it. The only reason I upgraded is because I have the money and the banks don't pay interest (hardly) any more. If you're looking for a new toy, I highly recommend it.
I've used everything from buckshot to #12 and only once had a jam. I believe it was because I didn't clean the gas tube. I just squirted a little Remoil in there and didn't have any more problems. When I got home I gave it a real good cleaning and haven't had any more issues.
I shoot skeet without choke tubes. And I'm not a hunter because I'm too cheap to pay for a lease. So I pretty much stick to the range. For a long time I didn't let people know I was into guns, but now that I do, a friend invited me to kill some pigs at his ranch in January.
November 3, 2012, 12:00 PM
I also own and love my mossberg 930. I own a composite version with both 26 in ported bird barrel and a 24 in fully rifled barrel with rifle sights. This firearm has served me flawlessly for the last 2 1/2 - 3 years and I have def not been easy on it. I use it to hunt everything from pigeon,squirrel, and rabbits to deer and black bear. I dont think anyone could go wrong in purchasing this firearm.
November 3, 2012, 04:42 PM
>>Gas guns cycle faster<<
Then I suspect you've never had a Benelli.
November 3, 2012, 07:32 PM
I have not fired a Bennelli. However I have fired many other semi auto shotguns. I maintain I can shoot faster accurately with my Model 12 pump. I can shoot a pinch faster with a semi, but not as accurately.
November 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
">>Gas guns cycle faster<<
Then I suspect you've never had a Benelli."
It is a fact beyond dispute that gas operated Winchester SX2/SX3/FN SLP and probably the Browning Maxus for that matter, are the fastest cycling, aka shooting, shotguns. Sorry, but you have never, apparently, had a SX shotgun so you would not know the facts. Now you do.
November 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
Take-down for a semi will not be much different than a pump.
November 9, 2012, 11:19 PM
I picked up a Benelli 121 today for $299, can't wait to get it out, all I hear is good things.
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