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Wild Card
October 23, 2012, 04:56 PM
Need help identifying old german hunting rifle.
Double triggers, rear sight has a popup sight and front sight also has a circular popup sight.
A deer is engraved on the left side of the butt-stock and uses a spoon-style bolt that cocks-on-open.

The only markings I've been able to find are on the bolt:
what appears to be eight "0"'s and a "1" stamped on the back of the bolt,
and crown over "B" over crown over "U" near the bolt handle.

Any thoughts on it's value also appreciated.

http://i.imgur.com/JkJZs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5HlVx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WHLYf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EZ4wZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XrlPH.jpg

Jim Watson
October 23, 2012, 05:30 PM
The type appears in the 1911 Alfa catalog as a Mauser.
But it is not an 1871, lacking the big bolt stop screw and washer.

Too bad there were so many European gun makers who did not put their names on their products. But the guild system did not encourage that.

Wild Card
October 23, 2012, 06:01 PM
Thanks for looking it up!
Any idea on it's value?

PetahW
October 24, 2012, 08:25 AM
Take it from an old Polock - It's a custom hunting/stalking rifle made on a Haenel/Mannlicher Sporting action.

I would check the underside of the bbl & action, under the wood, for a maker's mark & chambering information.


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Sarge
October 24, 2012, 08:30 AM
Haenel would be my first guess too, Petah.

davery25
October 24, 2012, 05:22 PM
whatever it is, it sure is pretty. where did you get it from?

Winchester_73
October 24, 2012, 05:31 PM
It appears to be a Winchester model 70 from 52 or 53. Most likely in 30-06 caliber.


Just kidding.....what a neat sporting rifle that is. I really like it.

bedbugbilly
October 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
That's one beautiful rifle for sure! Any history on it? A "GI bring back" possibly? Over the years, I've seen a number of different hunting rifles - not identical to this but obviously well made German pieces . . . . there's one thing that can be said, . . . they knew how to make 'em!

It will be interesting to follow this thread and see what comes up on it . . . thanks for posting as it is sure a beautiful piece of work! :)

Eghad
October 24, 2012, 06:23 PM
That rifle is a work of Art. When I saw that Bolt handle the first thought was Mannlicher

Bear River
October 24, 2012, 08:59 PM
That is a fine old Austrian Mannlicher Schounauer. Value around $2,000 dollars. Go on Guns America auctions you will find many of these.:)

mapsjanhere
October 25, 2012, 09:00 AM
As it clearly has German proof marks, it's not Austrian. There should be more marks under the barrel.
As for value, while you see many of these "liberated" guns with asking prices of $2000, you rarely see sales at that range. If it is in a still available caliber you might see $1500 for it, if it's in some obsolete chambering like 9x57 my guess would around $1200.

Winchester_73
October 25, 2012, 09:19 AM
I don't see any indication of the rifle being a mannlicher schoenauer

Wild Card
October 25, 2012, 09:26 AM
bedbugbilly: Unfortunately I don't know the history of this rifle other than I'm told it belonged to my great-grandfather who was from Germany. So I assume it is simply an old hunting rifle that he used.

Bear River: Your post appears to be the best match and I want to thank you for it!

mapsjanhere: Thank you also for posting. I could not find any other markings on the barrel. I also know what you mean with asking prices vs selling prices. :)

mapsjanhere
October 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
WC, did you take the barrel out of the stock? German proof marks for the barrel are typically on the underside just in front of the receiver, and on the left front side of the receiver itself (might or might not be covered by the stock).
It might also help to get a shot of the open action from the top to clearly identify the type. As far forward as the bolt handle is it looks to me like a civilian version of the 1871 type. As the barrel looks rather modern, there's also the possibility that it was rebarreled in the US (especially if there truly are no proof marks on the barrel).

Wild Card
October 25, 2012, 02:00 PM
As soon as I posted I realized the markings would be under the hidden part of the barrel - doh! I hesitate taking the gun apart for fear of mucking something up in trying to get it back together...

Anyway, here is a top-down view of open bolt:
http://i.imgur.com/dYrXC.jpg

mapsjanhere
October 25, 2012, 03:50 PM
That diagonal cut on the front ring of the receiver is pretty unique for the 1871 type, they quickly realized it doesn't do anything but add manufacturing cost. Is the rifle a single shot or does it have the tubular magazine of the 1871/84 series?

Wild Card
October 25, 2012, 04:42 PM
Single shot.
Also, slightly less than 18" barrel. After looking on the net it would seem to be 17.7" barrel length.

mapsjanhere
October 26, 2012, 08:54 AM
Now the end-all question to answer - what is it chambered in? Any idea?

Wild Card
October 26, 2012, 10:03 AM
I don't know what caliber.
I know an 8x57mm is slightly too big.

mapsjanhere
October 26, 2012, 11:09 AM
ok, that means it's definitely not the original 11x60R. 7x57 would be a good one to try, or run a Cerrosafe cast of the chamber.

Scorch
October 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
Definitely cast the chamber and get a reference book. I seriously doubt it would be chambered for 8X57.

PetahW
October 26, 2012, 12:15 PM
My money's on it being chambered for the 8.15x46R............



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Jimro
October 29, 2012, 12:17 PM
If 8x57 is just a tad too big, I would try 8x56R. Slug the bore, if it comes back .329 that is probably it.

Jimro

Wild Card
October 30, 2012, 10:02 AM
The 8mm is too big around.
I think it could be 7mm of some sort.
But as mentioned previously, I should take it to a gunsmith and find out for sure what the caliber is.

I appreciate everyone's effort here - thanks to all.