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Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 03:39 PM
But didn't have the $1000. It was at a liquidation sale. Two mags, complete with original scope and tripod. Not sure but the last time I checked, $1000 for a Dragonov is insanely cheap. Thought abouy trading my unrestored '57 Caddy.for it.

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Madcap_Magician
October 5, 2012, 03:41 PM
Sure it was an actual Dragunov and not a PSL?

FrankenMauser
October 5, 2012, 03:41 PM
Are you sure it wasn't a PSL?
That's their price range.

Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 04:37 PM
How can you tell?

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Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 04:44 PM
The scope sure looked liked a real original scope. I did some searching online for the PSL rifle. None of those seem to have the Dragonov style scope

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Jo6pak
October 5, 2012, 05:38 PM
The main difference is the gas system

SVD "Dragonov"
http://www.airsoft.cm/upfiles/Comingsoon/king-works-SVD-Spring-Rifle%20-Real-Wood.gif

PSL
http://www.jgsales.com/images/1%20Romanian%20PSL-54C%20762X54R%20W%20scope%201501463.jpg

Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 06:22 PM
It looked just like this

http://www.google.com/search?q=dragunov+scope&btnG=&hl=en&safe=off&client=ms-android-htc&gl=us&biw=320&bih=533&site=webhp&tbm=isch&sa=2#i=56


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Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 06:47 PM
I'll see if I can get back there and take a picture of it

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5.56RifleGuy
October 5, 2012, 06:50 PM
Look at the receiver markings and see what it says. That scope could go on many types of rifles.

Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 07:19 PM
Ok

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carguychris
October 5, 2012, 07:27 PM
How can you tell?
Dragunov features, starting with items clearly visible in joe6pak's picture:

"Waffle" shaped reinforcements stamped in magazine
Single-piece stock forearm that is removed by sliding towards the front
Stock forearm partially surrounds rear sight
No rear stock cheekpiece, or a separate adjustable part
Many US-market imports were sold without a muzzle brake
Distinctive pronounced "S" curve in safety lever (not visible in picture)
Large trapezoidal ejection port (not visible)
Tang not visible at buttstock-receiver interface (not visible)


PSL features:

Distinctive "X" shaped reinforcement stamped in magazine
Two-piece stock forearm with horizontal joint
Stock forearm does not surround rear sight
Integral cheekpiece
Normally has a muzzle brake
Straighter safety lever
Smaller rectangular ejection port
Visible tang and screw and bottstock-receiver interface (not visible)

AFAIK the scopes interchange, so they are not a 100% reliable spotting feature.

Dragunovs are a good deal more valuable than PSLs; $1,000 is a great deal for the former, but NOT for the latter, they usually trade in the $800 neighborhood. Be aware, however, that a LOT of people do not know the difference between the two rifles! :rolleyes:

Aaron1100us
October 5, 2012, 08:53 PM
Thanks. I'll look at it again. I think I remember the mag having the waffle look to it

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 09:16 AM
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DaveWUSAF
October 6, 2012, 09:34 AM
Looks like a Tiger Dragonov. They were a sporting configured version for sale in the US. They went for about $700 back then but are worth much more now. Someone may be able to give you a better guess as to value.

FYI: http://www.dragunov.net/tiger.html

Dave

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 09:36 AM
Ok thanks

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5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
Wow yeah that looks right

Im not sure if it could be a parts kit gun, but look at the receiver markings and see if its says Tigr on it and if it has import information.

If so and its only $1000, buy it.

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 09:43 AM
At the bank now :)

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tobnpr
October 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
Ditto...
If that's a Tigr, with no problems for a grand, it's a STEAL.

Looks mostly correct from pics I've seen, except for the thumbhole stock:

http://www.dragunov.net/tiger.html

5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
I have to say, you are a lucky guy. Those sell for like at least $3000 usually, If you can even find one. Maybe I will have to start going to gun shows again haha.

5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 09:50 AM
Does he have any other stuff for sale also? I think the rifle originally had a poly stock set, you might want to see if he has that too. The wood one is original, but it would be nice to have both if you can.

MJ1
October 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
There is or was one of the mid 1980's Norinco rifles with the box and full kit on one of the auction boards a year ago the was up to $5K with a week to go. The Tiger was a post '89 import neutered to pass the sporting test. Still not a bad deal today to get the short tappet gas system. Wish I had the $1800 in '85 for the Norinco. That was big $ for me back then.

Cheers
..MJ..

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 09:52 AM
Heading there to pick it up, willl look aroumd

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:01 AM
Had some M-14's, some other wood semi autos bit wereny im good shape.

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:02 AM
Bought it. Its well oild, everything seems to work and the barrel looks good.

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
I didn't know these were 7.62X54, thats cool, thought they were 7.72X39 like the AK 47. I've wanted one of these for over 20 years. Never even seen one in real life before.

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5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
Congratulations. Read up on it and have fun shooting it. I know on the PSL rifles, if you shoot to heavy of a bullet, the rifle can beat itself to death. Im not sure on the Tigr, but its worth looking in too.

5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 10:10 AM
You can get a lot of good quality ammo cheap. Buy as much as you can now. Surplus does not last forever. You may be able to find a manual online in a PDF. Those are nice to have.

I recommend SGammo.com for good deals on 7.62x54. Watch the heavy ball stuff though, as if I have heard correctly, it can damage a semi auto. Most of the surplus ammo is corrosive, so make sure you clean really well.

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
Thanks :) I'm kinda in shock right now. Never would have thought this to be possible. I've only seen these in movies and tv shows.

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
Will take more pics when I get home.

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misterE
October 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
Wow! Talk about using the firing line on the fly! Looks like you made a great purchase man. Enjoy!

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Willie D
October 6, 2012, 10:58 AM
The easiest way to tell at a glance if it's a PSL or Dragunov/Tigr is the PSL has a rear take-down push button like an AK, while the Drag has a side takedown lever like a SKS.


The last time I saw a Tigr for sale in person it was $2200. Looking on gunbroker they seem to go for more than that.

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 10:59 AM
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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 11:04 AM
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5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 11:08 AM
Do you understand the retical markings on that scope? They are pretty interesting.

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
No I don't, do you know?

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 11:17 AM
What is this? http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/07/ymejyha4.jpg

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5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 11:17 AM
http://www.dragunov.net/docs/pso_scope_zero_manual.pdf

This will help you out a lot.

The way its set up is real neat. The range finding thing is the craziest Ive ever seen.

5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 11:21 AM
Im not sure what thing you are asking about. The scope mount?

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 11:23 AM
On the left side, there are two words in Russian and a toggle switch behind them.

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5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 11:29 AM
Dont know sorry. My guess would be something like a cross hair illumination thing.

5.56RifleGuy
October 6, 2012, 11:33 AM
It does say on and off though

scottd913
October 6, 2012, 11:39 AM
very nice find and even better buy ... let us know when ya wanna sell it:D

Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 12:41 PM
Thanks, will be reading up om this gun, I want to learn everything I can about it.

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MJ1
October 6, 2012, 12:53 PM
To cool for you. The original wood and other buts are available and I have seen two restored Tigers less the flash hider and with a muzzle break and the one I saw at the range was awesome on the 300 yard line. The N71 and n72 ammo was built around the rifle and can be found at shows still today. Or you can hand roll your own it's not that hard.

Good luck.
..MJ..

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 02:46 PM
Got it all cleaned and lubed. It really wasn't too bad. It had a nice coat of oil all over, chrome barrel is nice and shiney, no pitting or rust. Only rust is on the bi-pod but thats no big deal. Action is nice and smooth, mmm, now I need some ammo.

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MJ1
October 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
Most of the light ball and heavy ball is primed with corrosive primers so pay attention to the gas system after shooting. Everyone has their own idea on when and how much to clean. I have been old but never checked myself that some of the Wolf ammo uses none mercuric primers. For my auto 7.62X53R I use the CCI #34 primers. Good shooting.

Thank you for sharing your find and the photo set.

..MJ..

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Aaron1100us
October 6, 2012, 04:10 PM
Thanks, I don't want to use corrosive ammo. I used to shoot surplus ammo 20+ years ago through an old SKS I used to have but not this one.

My Son going pew pew pew

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Pilot
October 6, 2012, 04:25 PM
I almost bought a Tiger around 2000, or 2001. It was in a gun shop just over the boarder in a neighboring state, and I didn't want the hassle of having it shipped to an FFL, and paying another fee. However, most of the guns I buy are off the web and its not really a hassle at all. I should have bought it, as it was $800. You got a good deal.

Aaron1100us
October 7, 2012, 03:42 PM
Just read that the Tiger rifles with the hooded front sight are a rare variation. Mine has the hooded front sight.

http://www.dragunov.net/tiger.html

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bamaranger
October 7, 2012, 05:41 PM
Some guys have all the luck. Congrats to you on a super buy and a unique rfle.

bamaranger
October 7, 2012, 05:54 PM
The toggle switch is for the illuminated reticle. Up in "on", down is "off".
The battery compartment is on the same side of the scope, but rearward and has the knurling on the cap. It may or may not take a conventional battery of some sort. Also the bulb could be out. The switch could be bad. The system does not generate much light, it could be working fine and not visible in regular light. But...they get left on regularly.

Kalinka Optics may likely have parts if you need them. They also have a pretty good tutorial (well sort of) on the scope, zeroing same so the bullet drop system is claibrated, ranging system and light troubleshooting.

You have a very unique rifle.

Aaron1100us
October 7, 2012, 06:31 PM
Thanks. Luck is hardly ever on my side, usually the opposite. When I discovered this gun on Friday, I couldn't believe what I had found. I've never seen one in real life before. My Wife and I were looking for an old cast iron stove. We were at a local antique store. I asked the lady where we could find one. She said Stark Enterprizes was having a large antique sale at their shop. They do plow work, parking lot maintenance and stuff like that. Found the cast iron stove we wanted. Went inside the large shop building and saw the Dragunov sitting high up on some old slot machines. Asked want they wanted just because I was curious. They said $1000. I thought that was crazy cheap but I knew I didn't have that kind of cash. Then I posted on here about that night and people thought it was probably a PSL rifle. I felt better about not having the $1000 for this gun and was starting to think it was a PSL. Then I went to this wonderful site again to find out what the difference was. Saturday morning, I went back to the place to see which one it was. I was about 100% sure is was going to end up being the PSL. As soon as I saw it, I noticed the waffle look on the mag amd the separation between the trigger gaurd. I was in shock, it was a real Dragunov. I too a pic, posted it on here and verified that it was a Dragunov Tiger. So I called my Wife and she said I could go to the bank and get a loan. My Wife loves sniper style rifles. Here is her gun.

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tobnpr
October 8, 2012, 04:51 PM
It's similar to the POSP scope on our AK, they're calibrated in meters, not minutes of angle as we're used to..

Zero at 100M, then you just dial the distance...

http://www.dragunov.net/docs/pso_scope_zero_manual.pdf

bamaranger
October 8, 2012, 11:24 PM
Well....sort of.