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madhat
August 21, 2012, 11:41 AM
is it alright to dry fire my new Browning A bolt II, i'm not talking hundreds of times but just 50 or so to feel how the adjusted weight feels when i adjust the weight of the trigger, i'm 100% sure the rifle is unloaded and safe to discharge

FrosSsT
August 21, 2012, 12:00 PM
It will not hurt anything. Rimfires are a different story

madhat
August 21, 2012, 12:01 PM
thank you! i didn't think so :)

coyota1
August 21, 2012, 03:08 PM
I would use a dumbie round if you do it a lot.

tobnpr
August 22, 2012, 06:43 AM
Great way to practice trigger control. No problem...

scoutman
August 22, 2012, 10:38 AM
Get a set of snap caps if your concerned. Good for checking on functioning too.

mr.t7024
August 22, 2012, 02:23 PM
DO NOT DRY FIRE ANY FIREARMS. thats why they sell snap caps. CENTER FIRE SNAP CAPS ALONG WITH RIMFIRE SNAP CAPS WILL SAVE YOU TIME AND MONEY. Call me if you have any questions-978-424-7024.:)
Clifford B. Tomassian
Firearms Instructor in MA

tobnpr
August 22, 2012, 06:09 PM
DO NOT DRY FIRE ANY FIREARMS.

Really?

You put that in caps, like his rifle's going to self destruct if he does it.

The OP was talking about a few dozen dry fires...not thousands.

Perfectly fine for him to do that.

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=2784

coyota1
August 22, 2012, 06:10 PM
I believe the Ruger 10 22 can be dry fired according to the manual..

doofus47
August 23, 2012, 12:02 PM
I pull out my hunting rifle in the couple weeks before the season to re-acquaint myself with the trigger.
I didn't use snap caps for several years and there was no loss of function. I use a spent cartridge nowadays, but small scale dryfiring should be okay until you can use something with some resistance.

I wouldn't do that with a rimfire rifle. I don't have a 10/22, but if the manual of that says it's okay, then go for it with a 10/22

coyota1
August 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
With rimfires days gone buy, the firing pin could damage the chamber, and the pin if chronically dry fired. The only time I witnessed a firing pin break was a when a friend dry fired a Ithaca 37 featherweight and the end cracked off.

CommonSense
August 24, 2012, 03:33 PM
Funny, your a firearms instructor that says DO NOT DRY FIRE then recommend snap caps. Ive spoken to AND read other instructors that recommend AGAINST snap caps because "It builds a bad habit". It builds a bad habit because your "loading" the weapon with an object resembling a cartridge and then pulling the trigger. Students in classes had NDed (Neglegant Discharged) their weapons thinking they put in their snap caps then...BOOM! Oops, wasnt a snap cap. Heard of it many times! My advice to ALL: Ask the COMPANY before dry firing and always clear your weapon... heck clear it twice. Wont hurt a thing. Its a good habit to form. lastly, If you make the decision to dry fire, discharge in a safe direction. (I know some of you out there are saying duh, but NDs still happen...even to squared away soldiers and instructors) On a final note, I PRACTICE what I preach, I do not reccomend stuff because it sounds good. I clear one or more weapons a day at my current job... and I wont use snap caps.

coyota1
August 24, 2012, 03:55 PM
"It builds a bad habit". It builds a bad habit because your "loading" the weapon with an object resembling a cartridge and then pulling the trigger.

I never even considered this, though there may be merit to it. I have one nine mm dummy round that is burgandy red. If I end up blowing a hole through my tv, then I will know your advise was good.

Sweet Shooter
August 24, 2012, 04:18 PM
I think it's okay now and again. The SKS should apparently not be dry fired as it has a tapered pin... I read that somewhere...
-SS-

FrosSsT
August 24, 2012, 09:05 PM
DO NOT DRY FIRE ANY FIREARMS. thats why they sell snap caps. CENTER FIRE SNAP CAPS ALONG WITH RIMFIRE SNAP CAPS WILL SAVE YOU TIME AND MONEY.

Please explain - without anything to back it up it means absolutely nothing.

bigautomatic
August 24, 2012, 09:34 PM
Most center fires can be dry fired safely with only a few exceptions. Check with the manufacturer or someone with a lot of experience with the particular firearm. And if your firearm could be damaged by dry firing, making your own snap caps ain't rocket science. Pop out primer with a small punch (or depriming die) and replace spent primer with a piece of pencil eraser shaped to fit with a razor blade. Five minutes max. And free.

chucknbach
August 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
I dry fire everything, including .22. Hasn't hurt anything yet. Thousands of times at that. If it wears out I'll replace it.

coyota1
August 29, 2012, 09:18 PM
I dry fire everything, including .22. Hasn't hurt anything yet. Thousands of times at that. If it wears out I'll replace it.

I would be careful of dry firing older 22 rimfires. You could damage the chamber where the rim seats.

jimbob86
August 29, 2012, 09:23 PM
My Ruger 22/45 manual sez it's OK. You gotta pull the trigger to get the thing back together........ there's a firing pin stop to keep the firing pin from contacting the breech face.......

Metal god
August 30, 2012, 05:11 AM
Rugers web site states in there Q&A ,you can dry fire All of there fire arms including there rimfires . They recommend not doing it alot cus you will wear out the stop and have to replace the firing pin.

As for other guns refer to the manual

My savge mk11 should not be dry fired . Its a new gun for me and I have only shot it once . I already have dry fired it at least 10 times .A couple times when I got it home the rest at the range when I lost count of how many shots I had shot . At this rate I think im in trouble . What I learned was if you have the trigger depressed when closing the bolt ( it goes BOOM ) no just kidding :D It de-cocks it . My ruger American Rifle does the same thing . Maybe all bolt actions do this. I only have the two .

HUMM now that I think about it, maybe pulling the trigger when closing the bolt is bad for the gun . Does any body know if by doing so it puts any un due presures or torque on things that normaly they would not have .

hooligan1
August 30, 2012, 10:46 AM
I dry-fire all of my centerfire rifles, it keeps me in practice of finger tuning and my pistol grip pressure.

chucknbach
August 30, 2012, 01:19 PM
I would be careful of dry firing older 22 rimfires. You could damage the chamber where the rim seats.

I don't have any older guns. The guns from my childhood burned up in a fire. I have kept an eye on the ones I have now and so far so good.

coyota1
August 30, 2012, 01:29 PM
Well, just in case you happen upon an old rimfire.

mr.t7024
August 30, 2012, 03:53 PM
If someone wants me to explain, call me, i did leave my number but I will leave it again. 978-424-7024 . BTW All my students when they leave know not to dry fire a firearm. :) Cliff

FrosSsT
August 30, 2012, 05:45 PM
If someone wants me to explain, call me, i did leave my number but I will leave it again. 978-424-7024 . BTW All my students when they leave know not to dry fire a firearm. Cliff

This is a forum. If you have information you can post it here - nobody wants to call you especially when you can simply post it here for EVERYONE to see. All the research I have done along with hands on experience (which is worth ten times more then something you read) has showed that dry firing centerfires is safe and will not cause any harm. Rimfires are somewhat of a different story but they are not in question here. Please - prove us wrong.

coyota1
August 30, 2012, 05:57 PM
This is a forum. If you have information you can post it here - nobody wants to call you

I hope you are not speaking for me. I was planning on calling. Nothing wrong with a good old fashion telephone.

gwnorth
August 30, 2012, 06:00 PM
I've been dry firing center fire firearms (rifles and handguns) for 35 years and never known it to hurt a thing. In the Canadian forces dry firing (HiPowers and FN-FALs) was a standard training technique and was used a lot, especially with novice shooters prior to their first trip to the range line.

There are old US forces training videos online with scenes of soldiers routinely dry firing Garands as a training aid.

mr.t7024
August 30, 2012, 06:38 PM
No need for anyone to get upset. I do not dry fire any of my rifles,pistols or shotguns. If someone wants to fine,be my guest. If you do not want to call that works for me. I do not do text,and I am not a prolific writer. So I wish all of you a great Labor Day Weekend and maybe we can all agree to vote against oslama... I mean Obama. :) Cliff

thallub
August 30, 2012, 06:49 PM
i dry fire all my rifles except the rimfires. Been doing it for 60 years and have not damaged anything. :D

chucknbach
August 30, 2012, 07:48 PM
I can speak for an old Marlin/Glenfield model 25 .22 doesn't hurt it to dry fire it.

A bow is one you don't want to dry fire.

If you do not want to call that works for me.

Don't want to call cause you don't have anything to say. Since you don't dry fire you have no experience. Probably just taught that as a kid and took it as gospel.;)

gwnorth
August 30, 2012, 07:54 PM
No need for anyone to get upset. I do not dry fire any of my rifles,pistols or shotguns. If someone wants to fine,be my guest. If you do not want to call that works for me. I do not do text,and I am not a prolific writer. So I wish all of you a great Labor Day Weekend and maybe we can all agree to vote against oslama... I mean Obama. Cliff

Mr.t7024, don't think people are upset. But you post a categorical statement in all caps, with no explanation to substantiate why you say that, and given it flies completely in the face of a lot of people's own personal and professional experience with firearms, and people obviously wonder why you say that?

Tikirocker
August 30, 2012, 08:17 PM
CZ state in their own literature that it is safe to dry fire their .22 rifles. I have no hesitation in doing this, though I have come across people who had out of spec firing pins; ie firing pins that protrude past the bolt shoulder. This is a QC error at factory, but it serves to illustrate that it bears gauging your firing pins to ensure that they do not pass the bolt shoulder - the result of which in the case of dry firing would be undue wear, peening or worse.

The answer to CZ's position on dry firing their Rimfires lies in the above paragraph. From factory, and if correct, the CZ-452 firing pin when extended should remain below the bolt shoulder. The bolt shoulder encloses around the outside of the base of the casing and the shoulder itself meets the chamber face. The base of the case then sits slightly inside the bolt face where the firing pin strikes the primer - this is why the firing pin doesn't hit the chamber face.

I checked mine, and it is within spec and well below the shoulder. This should mean that I am fine to dry fire my .22 all day long, if I want to, without any due wear.

Tiki.

trg42wraglefragle
August 31, 2012, 12:50 AM
My shooting buddy and I dry fire our rifles, rimfire and centre fire all the time, have never had a problem and nothings ever gone wrong.

The local gun store lets you dry fire their rifles, so they must have hundreds of people dry fire hundreds of rifles and can't have had a problem as they continue to let you do it.

mr.t7024
August 31, 2012, 06:13 PM
Have a great day all,enjoy the weekend. :) Cliff BTW thanks for introducing yourself coyota!

Metal god
September 1, 2012, 12:12 AM
The funny thing about the dry firing ( Rimfire ) debate is . I think common sense tells us the potential is there for damage . A small thin piece of metal slamming in to a solid wall of steel that is equal or harder then it:eek: , Over ond over again has to cause damage at some point. so why do it . :confused:

FrosSsT
September 1, 2012, 10:24 AM
I hope you are not speaking for me. I was planning on calling. Nothing wrong with a good old fashion telephone.

No I was not talking to you I was talking to Mr.T

FrosSsT
September 1, 2012, 10:38 AM
Mr.t7024, don't think people are upset. But you post a categorical statement in all caps, with no explanation to substantiate why you say that, and given it flies completely in the face of a lot of people's own personal and professional experience with firearms, and people obviously wonder why you say that?

You nailed it. Nobody is getting "upset" over a firearms discussion especially one as simple as this one.

I'm not trying to scorch him but Mr.T posts something that goes against years of experience and even what the manufacturers of the firearms say with nothing to back it up. Then he proceeds to dodge the questions being asked by saying "Have a great day guys have a great weekend" It is this kind of stuff that misleads and confuses the OP. We are here to share information and help each other on this forum - that is why we take the time out of our days to ask and answer peoples questions. By calling someone (would never even post my work cell # on the internet but to each his own) you are just telling one person without posting it for all to see and to learn or dispute with counter facts.

mr.t7024
September 1, 2012, 03:03 PM
I have been shooting for 54 years.I have replaced firing pins on two Marlin Model 60's and for others who rifles were center fire, all because they were dry fired. Shooting for 54 years gives me some experience...

I do give out my # because I want to. I enjoy talking to others who enjoy the shooting sports, that even includes those who disagree with me...!

Have a great day,


Cliff

Old_Crow
September 1, 2012, 08:45 PM
In the users guide for Ruger SA Ruger reccomends dry firing the weapon to get used to it. I have been dry firing a SBH for over 30 years. It has never given me a moments trouble.

tobnpr
September 4, 2012, 04:40 PM
The Marlin Model 60 is an inexpensive .22LR rimfire...
Those should never have been dry-fired..

wizrd
September 4, 2012, 06:18 PM
Disagreement here seems to be based on semantics:

All firearms may be dry fired. Some firearms may be damaged by dry firing without the use of snap-caps. If you are not sure, consult the owners manual or a knowledgeable party, or always use snap-caps.

For example: ( Personal knowledge) Cost me a few bucks to fix this one:
A model 66 or model 19 S & W revolver SHOULD NEVER BE DRY FIRED WITHOUT A SNAP CAP IN PLACE IN THE CYLINDER. -- The firing pin nose may break, when it does, it will fly out of the muzzle like a BB. Can an unloaded revolver seriously hurt you? Yes, if you were dumb enough to be looking down the barrel when dry firing your S & W Modle 66 WITHOUT SNAP CAPS IN PLACE. ( I WAS NOT LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL). The aforementioned broken firing pin nose left the muzzle and ricocheted off of two walls in my living room before coming to rest harmlessly on the floor.

mr.t7024
September 4, 2012, 06:44 PM
I will keep this as simple as I can: I firmly believe that the rim fire and center fire cartridges act as a shock absorber for the firing pin and without the cartridge you have metal on metal, either on the chamber (rim fire) or inside the bolt (center fire),that is why I use snap caps.

Cliff

FloridaVeteran
September 4, 2012, 08:20 PM
I have snap caps for every center-fire cartridge gun that I own. But I have not found a snap-cap for rimfire. Does anyone know of one? A-Zoom, for example, sells excellent snap-caps for centerfire calibers. But for rimfire they sell "training rounds" that say on the pack they are intended for cycling, not dry-firing. That is because center-fire snap caps have a nifty piece of silicone mounted in place of the primer, kind of like the rubber on a tire. But they have not been able to come up with a rim on a dummy rimfire round that can take the abuse of repeated direct hits from a hammer, the way a rimfire case takes the hit (and becomes non-reloadable).

On the rare occasions when I load once-fired rimfire cases into a revolver for a friend to try, I rotate the cases to get the fired indent at six-o'clock from the hammer hit. It's not the end of the world, but rimfires are very different from all centerfire cartridges with regard to dry-firing.

Disclaimer: I don't and won't buy any gun that has a transfer bar. So I don't know if there are any transfer-bar rimfire guns out there. If there are, I wouldn't trust my life with one.

coyota1
September 4, 2012, 08:41 PM
I've used spent casings as a dumby round. After 3 fires you need to rotate it. It seems to work.

SIGSHR
September 4, 2012, 08:47 PM
Regarding rimfire snap caps, some have gotten good results by filling 22 case with putty or something similar to absord the impact.
I dry fire all the time, a good way of developing shooting skills, getting familar with a firearm, and perhaps slicking up an action.

Onward Allusion
September 4, 2012, 09:35 PM
Strictly my opinion here...

...but I really think dry firing w/o snap caps or dummy rounds is not a good practice. I'm not talking about breaking the firing pin or anything like that. I'm referring to the building of a habit that could lead to a ND/AD.

When I pull the trigger on any firearm, it's either a part of firing it, assembly/dis-assembly, checking function with a snap cap, or dry firing as practicing trigger control with a snap cap. When one gets into the habit of pulling the trigger on a gun without making the conscious effort of loading a snap cap or dummy round, it makes for a bad habit. Again, just my opinion.

coyota1
September 5, 2012, 02:22 AM
Yeah "high honey, I just blew another hole in the tv set".:)

hooligan1
September 5, 2012, 09:01 AM
Here the last few days, I've been practicing shooting off my Primos Tripod sticks, and of course I'm dry firing my rifles to get the feel of the rifle and trigger squeeze and timing down.

There's no harm in this with or without "snap-caps",,, most of you nimrod computer sniper, psuedo rifle experts could use some practice too!!!:rolleyes::p:D

gwnorth
September 5, 2012, 07:07 PM
When I pull the trigger on any firearm, it's either a part of firing it, assembly/dis-assembly, checking function with a snap cap, or dry firing as practicing trigger control with a snap cap. When one gets into the habit of pulling the trigger on a gun without making the conscious effort of loading a snap cap or dummy round, it makes for a bad habit. Again, just my opinion.

But, if, as you should, you literally treat ever weapon as loaded until you, personally and directly, have thoroughly and carefully, visually and tactilely checked that it is unloaded, you will never pull the trigger on a loaded gun.

I think relying on the conscious act of loading a dummy round is folly itself. If you are going to practice trigger control by dry firing, then you need to make sure the gun is not loaded, then check it again, then once more to be sure. And if it leaves your hands at any time during that (even if still in sight), you start the clearance procedure all over again from scratch

Load a snap cap at that point if it makes you feel better about dry firing sure, but that act should not be part of your standard safety routine before handling any firearm.

When I pull the trigger on a firearm, it is either to shoot it, or only after I have made very, very sure it is not loaded. Anything else is completely secondary to that procedure of clearing the weapon first.

Not slamming your opinion, just giving the flip side of that same coin.