View Full Version : I am interested in a bolt action 223

August 10, 2012, 07:53 AM
WHat make and model do you guys own and can give me some advice ?
I am looking for a bolt action in 223 cal, preferably with a black stock and very accurate. What do you guys recommend ?

August 10, 2012, 08:56 AM
From my experience, you won't got wrong with either one of the following:

1) a CZ 527 Varmint with the factory Kevlar HS Precision stock and the factory set trigger.
2) A Savage 10FCP-K with the Accu-trigger and Accu-stock.

Both rifles are very accurate, even with factory loads.
Both are 1:9 twist.

Both average under 0.5 inches with their favorite factory ammos and average under 0.4 inches with their top 10 hand loads.

The CZ averages under 0.4 inches with 40, 45, 50, 52, 55, 60 and 65 grain bullet loads.

The Savage averages under 0.4 inches with 50, 52, 55, 65 and 69 grain bullets.

The CZ was $ 856 and the Savage was $ 713.

August 10, 2012, 09:18 AM
Budget? Are you wanting a $400 rifle or a $4,000 custom? Without more info I will say that most any of the major brands make a Varmit or Tactical type rifle that will suit your needs. On a budget gun I'd look very hard at the TC Venture

August 10, 2012, 11:18 AM
Give the Weatherby custom shop a call. Add a S&B scope.

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

August 10, 2012, 11:48 AM
Are you shooting targets, varmints, or both? Are you looking for something lightweight to carry around, or more target/tactical? How well do you shoot? Your skill as a shooter makes rifles accurate, not the other way around. An accurate shooter can do amazing things with rifles that's would be considered inaccurate by most people's standards.

August 10, 2012, 11:49 AM
I have all ways liked the Ruger M-77 T. I have one in 308 and have shot one in 223. It does not meet all of your criteria, it has a laminated stock. Mine does not have a problem with weather and the SS metal demands little care.

Most importantly they are tack drivers right out of the box. Used one come in at about $450 in my part of the world.

August 10, 2012, 11:58 AM
Tikka T3 Varmint w/ 8" rate of twist. It also comes in stainless if desired.

big al hunter
August 10, 2012, 12:24 PM
Weatherby vanguard/howa1500, same gun different name brand. Rem. 700, win 70, and ruger77 all get my vote. Several companies give moa guarantee on accuracy, for a little more $. It has been a while since I checked, but the TC Icon used to have an option for 1/2 moa with specific ammo. All the major manufacturers have decent bolt guns. It is hard to go wrong. Pick the one you like and that fits you.

August 10, 2012, 02:08 PM
Really is hard to beat a Tikka! Every rifle I own that says, "Made in Finland" on the barrel is a real shooter.


August 10, 2012, 03:12 PM
It would be for target shooting and varmint shooting, I would like to stay in the less than $1000.00 mark, preferably between 500.00 and 700.00 range.

August 10, 2012, 04:13 PM
I really like my Ruger Hawkeye. It came in SS with a synthetic stock, but I upgraded the stock. It'll shoot to half an inch with handloads, though I personally cannot shoot that well everyday. I got it on sale for under $500 and now have a Leupold 6-18 scope on it. For a guy that bad mouthed the 223 round for years, I become a big fan because of this rifle. I shoot it more than any of my other rifles. The twist is 1 in 9.

August 10, 2012, 08:33 PM
I have a Ruger Hawkeye Compact that I am very happy with. Easy shooting, accurate and a joy to pack around. I like the model well enough I will be buying the .308 version of the same rifle. It isn't for everyone but these rifles are moving up on my short list of best SHTF rifles. I never figured I needed a semi-auto when a good bolt gun will do the job if you know what you are doing.

August 10, 2012, 08:55 PM

Remington 700 LTR

August 10, 2012, 11:32 PM
T/C Venture nice little rifle for the money.

August 11, 2012, 01:50 AM
I really gotta offer my suggestion to the CZ 527. I have both the laminated Varmint model and the American model. The American does everything the Varmint does and makes for a much handier truck gun. I don't know if you can get a black stock on them though- too bad you're hung up on that- the 527 with it's rock solid rings, single set trigger, and overall build- it's worth much more than whats on the price tag in my opinion.

August 11, 2012, 02:47 AM
I have a .223 Weatherby Vanguard bolt-action with the black synthetic stock and topped with a 5-20x44 Nikon Monarch scope that on most days can kill paper with less than 1" groups at 100 yds. out of a cool barrel. Thats shooting off a front-end rest using factory ammo. The AR-15 is used to kill time between strings while the Weatherby's cooling down.:)

August 11, 2012, 04:11 AM
Rebs, My suggestion is the CZ 527 and I have attached a picture. Great shooter and I have had the rifle pillar bedded.


August 11, 2012, 08:38 AM
I like my Tikka, Rem 700s, and have read good things about CZs.

August 11, 2012, 08:51 AM

Man what scope is on that thing? That is one long scope, I usually prefer a more compact looking scope. I realize it has a sun shade is on it and the action is short on your rifle, but it still looks like a very long tube scope.

I love CZ rifles but I hate that may sticking out the bottom of it.

chris in va
August 12, 2012, 06:40 PM
My CZ527 has been stellar FWIW.

August 13, 2012, 07:31 AM
A black stock isn't a necessity, I just think they look nice and wouldn't have to worry about scratching it up.

Hunter Customs
August 13, 2012, 08:23 AM
I have a 527 with their sun burst laminated stock, it's one sweet rifle.

The set trigger that came in the gun is the best factory trigger I've ever had in any major manufactures rifle.
As a matter of fact I don't know of any after market triggers that could make the rifle any better.

Shooting Winchester white box 45 gr JHP loads I had no trouble getting half inch groups at 100 yards.
I don't ever exspect any better performance then that shooting factory mass produced ammo out of a hunting rifle.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter

August 13, 2012, 12:44 PM
with no experience of it I toss out the mossberg mvp. i assume you are an maerican so you already have an ar15 and can share mags, i assume becuase I am a jealous european:o

August 13, 2012, 01:39 PM
First of all, I wouldn't rule out having a wood stock. I have been using wood all my life, and never have I had water damage, nor have I broken one. That aside, Remington would be my fist choice. The CZ would interest me also. Especially having a set trigger.

August 13, 2012, 04:47 PM
Plus, black synthetic stocks scratch and ding too. Sometimes, in some areas, and in some light- they stand out more than on wood- especially laminate. And, a little dab of true oil or tung oil can't hide a scrape or scratch on black synthetic.

223 shooter
August 13, 2012, 05:06 PM
The best shooting 223 I've ever owned is my 700LTR. It is a 1 in 9" twist. Here it is with a B&C stock but I have since switched back to the HS that it came with.

August 15, 2012, 12:53 PM
CZ 527 .223 Cal. Varmint w/ H-S Precision Kevlar :)


August 16, 2012, 10:41 PM
^ That appears to be a looong barrel. Does it "whip" much when you fire it hot ?

August 18, 2012, 02:18 PM
While I agree with the Savage recommendation in post #2, I would add the Remington SPS Tactical. Don't let the Hogue stock dissuade you. I find it to be just fine and could always be changed.

August 20, 2012, 07:54 PM
A plain old (early 80's) Savage 110E. Will shoot 1/2" 100 yd groups all day! Just not very sexy.

Art Eatman
August 20, 2012, 08:14 PM
Back a dozen or so years I bought a Ruger 77 Mk II light sporter in .223. 22" barrel, 1:10 twist. Wood stock. I put a Timney trigger on it.

With 50- to 55-grain bullets, it's half-MOA on the bench and ruinacious on prairie dogs to 300 yards. Round-nose 70-grain bullets are also tight-group.

August 21, 2012, 12:13 AM
I figured youi'd get a bunch or responses with heavy barrel varmint class rifles, so I'm suggesting something different.

The .223 is not big round, and does not necessarily need a big rifle. My bolt .223 is an Interarms, YZ Mini-Mauser. Another .223 lightweight would be a Rem Model 7.

Top those rifles with modest size scopes and you have a useful, easy to tote firearm that will reach out on pests and is not expensive to feed.

August 21, 2012, 08:07 PM
I would consider a used Remington 700, or 788 both of with I have, or had. Both are tack drivers.

August 22, 2012, 06:31 AM
Rebs, My suggestion is the CZ 527 and I have attached a picture. Great shooter and I have had the rifle pillar bedded.


That is a beautiful rifle, I could easily live with that one.

August 22, 2012, 09:59 AM
I have a ruger hawkeye all weather (stainless, synthetic), its more accurate than I am, never had a hiccup and after having a major overpressure in my previous hawkeye I am very impressed with the strength of the action, I'll definitely buy more rugers

August 22, 2012, 11:35 AM
I also have the Hawkeye stainless in 223, and I really like it. I replaced the trigger with a Timney and the stock with a Hogue, though the old trigger was Ok and the original stock was usable but not what I wanted. Let me tell ya...that rascal will shoot into a half inch (if I can do my part) with Sierra 65 grain GK and with Nosler 40 gr Ballistic Tips, and that was with the old trigger. I don't know if the new trigger, which is great, will help me shrink the groups any. We'll see.

August 22, 2012, 11:45 AM

August 22, 2012, 11:52 AM
the MVP is an interesting option