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FlyerZ
August 8, 2012, 12:15 PM
New user here and I've been searching for a rifle.

I'm looking for a .308 that is portable (contradiction in terms? maybe so), i.e can fit in a backpack.

Here are the features I'm looking for:

1. telescoping (adjustable LOP) & folding stock
2. 18" barrel (have read that 16" is too short on a .308, 18" seems like good compromise)
3. Rails for scope and forend grip

So far I've found the SCAR17S (though it lacks the barrel length I want) and the DSArms SA58 FAL Para Carbine (after adding optional rails). I like the versatility of the swappable uppers on LWRC R.E.P.R. but dont know if you can fit it with a folding stock.

Any others I'm overlooking? I'd like something that is (in order of priority) 1. reliable, 2. accurate, and 3. versatile given the above features.

Don't care about being cool or trendy....which is why I'm resisting the SCAR...just want something that works.

Thanks for your input.

SR420
August 8, 2012, 02:28 PM
Either of the 18.0" Bush & Scout M1As in a SAGE EBR or Blackfeather RS should make you smile.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Mod0-drum.jpg

http://www.m14.ca/m14blackfeather/Blackfeather_RS.jpg


The CQB-16 EBR folder is no slouch either

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/CQB%2016/IMG_4650.jpg

plouffedaddy
August 8, 2012, 02:49 PM
The REPR fits the bill.....

Edit--no folding stock. My bad.

sailskidrive
August 8, 2012, 05:12 PM
The SCAR is definitely the most modern design and has the lightest recoil of any you mentioned.

A local shop around here has a like new LWRC REPR for $2700. It's really heavy in comparison to the SCAR 17.

I personally have a PTR91 and a SIG716.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv54/sailskidrive/IMG_0100-1.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv54/sailskidrive/AR15/8b57d84a.jpg

FrosSsT
August 8, 2012, 05:23 PM
You should do some more in depth research on the SCAR17 and then you will realize why it is one of the best 308's out there right now. The recoil is almost that of a 5.56, they are VERY easy to clean, and they can take a serious beating before they fail to go bang. The 16.5" barrel can be swapped out for an 18" (not that I believe it will make a difference) as soon as the new barrels come out (only FN knows when)

FlyerZ
August 8, 2012, 06:07 PM
Thanks for the input guys!

Frost-
I'd had the SCAR at the bottom of the list because it is so new. I had been leaning towards something more battle tested. Just my bias. I might actually shoot one this weekend as my range has one for rental, though it might be a 16S. Either way I plan to shoot as many M1As, FALs, SCARs, AR10s etc as I can before I drop the $$$ on anything.

Justice06RR
August 8, 2012, 06:23 PM
Another vote for the SCAR17 here. Its a very versatile platform and should be pretty reliable as well. If I had the $$ this is my next 308 rifle.

Polinese
August 8, 2012, 08:50 PM
Isn't the SCAR more battle tested than most 308 auto loaders on the market right now?

5.56RifleGuy
August 8, 2012, 09:00 PM
"Isn't the SCAR more battle tested than most 308 auto loaders on the market right now?"

No. The m14 has been in and out of service since 59.

The g3 has been used since 59.

The FAL has been used since 54.

stubbicatt
August 8, 2012, 09:01 PM
Polinese, the FAL and G3 were pretty extensively battle tested in the 70's and 80's in Africa and the G3 in the Iran/Iraq war of the early 80's. The M14 saw pretty extensive duty in southeast Asia.

FrosSsT
August 8, 2012, 09:06 PM
Besides the M1A/M14 ,G3 and FAL the SCAR17 is the most battle tested rifle out there. SOCOM wanted the latest and greatest and from what I understand the rifle went through countless tests before it was put in the hands of US troops overseas.


However - I highly doubt the M14, G3, and the FAL went through as much testing as the SCAR has

5.56RifleGuy
August 8, 2012, 10:42 PM
"However - I highly doubt the M14, G3, and the FAL went through as much testing as the SCAR has"

I dunno, over 50 years of service for the G3 and FAL with and in many different countries all over the world is a pretty darn good testing period.

Versus what? 3 years of service?

5.56RifleGuy
August 8, 2012, 10:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, the SCAR is great by most accounts, but there is no way it has been tested as much as the other designs that have been around for 50 some odd years.

sailskidrive
August 9, 2012, 05:15 AM
I think the SCAR is a big technological step forward in terms of materials, manufacturing consistency, and design. But of course, 50 plus years of the FAL being drug through numerous conflicts in the bowels of Africa is probably the ultimate test of durability.

I want one. Hopefully the SCAR mags will eventually come down in price. :D

FrosSsT
August 9, 2012, 03:41 PM
I dunno, over 50 years of service for the G3 and FAL with and in many different countries all over the world is a pretty darn good testing period.

Versus what? 3 years of service?

(I meant testing as in prior to putting it in the hands of troops in the field)

And there is a reason the Israeli forces dropped the FAL.

Departed402
August 9, 2012, 03:42 PM
How are 308 ARs getting overlooked in this thread? Except the SIG 716 mentioned above they seem to be totally forgotten. Here's some links to some .308 AR-type rifles.

Armalite AR-10 (http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776)
Bushmaster varieties (http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_hunting_index.asp)
DPMS (http://dpmsinc.3dcartstores.com/308-WIN-762-NATO-16-18_ep_190-1.html)
Rock River (http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=254)
LaRue (http://www.laruetactical.com/rifles)
and there's a lot more.

A DPMS 308 Mk12 (http://dpmsinc.3dcartstores.com/308-MK-12_ep_96-1.html) really fits all of your requirements. There are AR-type elitists out there who will tell you that, "you must get an Armalite AR-10, as they are the true 'AR.'" I would advise you not to buy into this myopic view. This is not to say Armalite doesn't make truly good rifles, but it is silly to rule out all others just because Armalite was the original manufacturer of the type.

FrosSsT
August 9, 2012, 03:42 PM
Hopefully the SCAR mags will eventually come down in price.

$40-$50 online with shipping right now - which is not bad for what handgun magazines are going for.

cannonfire
August 9, 2012, 07:02 PM
How are 308 ARs getting overlooked in this thread?


Probably because the first requirement was for a folding stock. I have yet to see an AR10 with a folding stock.

5.56RifleGuy
August 9, 2012, 09:45 PM
"And there is a reason the Israeli forces dropped the FAL."

Yeah, they didn't function great full of sand and they were too damn long.

Departed402
August 10, 2012, 06:05 AM
Oops. Mistook that ampersand for slash. Haha. Anyway, then go for a SCAR17S, especially for weight if you're looking to go hiking with it. I might also suggest the M1A with a folding stock, but there are no cheap M14 stocks, and they add quite a bit of weight.

Skans
August 10, 2012, 07:34 AM
The PTR-91 is a good value. Lots of rail options, and you can go with a folding or telescopic stock. Plus, you can get a decent quality 50 round drum for it.

Polinese
August 10, 2012, 09:15 AM
I realize all that bout the m14 fal and g3 however i dont think any of us are getting our hands on genuine ones, just clones. Not the same in my opinion at least not always that was where my comment was coming from. Sorry for any confusion.

tobnpr
August 10, 2012, 11:28 AM
Nemesis Vanquish.
How thick's your wallet?
http://nemesisarms.com/index.php/products

FrosSsT
August 10, 2012, 01:01 PM
Nemesis Vanquish.

That thing is hideous

tobnpr
August 10, 2012, 02:28 PM
"Pretty" was not among the requirements the OP listed, was it?

The DTA SRS is another "compact", but it's a bullpup. No folding stock, but with the pup design you don't need it. Extremely accurate platform.

http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/

Or, you can just put a Savage or Rem 700 action into a JP Enterprises chassis...
http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.6.1_AMCS.php

SR420
August 10, 2012, 03:04 PM
It may be hideous, but for a nominal fee you can get a Tactical Briefcase to hide it in :p

FlyerZ
August 11, 2012, 12:13 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Lots of food for thought/research.

NWCP
August 11, 2012, 01:29 AM
I'm pretty fond of the HK91 and the Springfield M1A. The .308 is a great round IMHO and those two platforms handle it well. Neither are cheap, but then price hasn't ever played a role when it comes to a well made weapon designed to last years in a combat role.

tobnpr
August 11, 2012, 11:37 AM
Actually, the .308 is one of those calibers that is "relatively" insensitive to barrel length. There are more guys- and manufacturers- than you think making/shooting .308's with a 16" barrel.

Here's a thread you should look at, KAC says they're getting just shy of 2500 fps out of their 16" gun with M118LR ammo...not shabby by anyone's standards. If you've got the coin, and want a semi with accuracy- you should certainly consider KAC. Do a search on .308's with 16" barrels on S.H.- plenty of discussion on the subject:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2627162

KAC SR25 carbine:
http://www.knightarmco.com/sr25.html

Me, I'd get a Savage or 700 action, 16" varmint contour match barrel (threaded for a can if allowed in your state) and put in the JP chassis. That would be one badass, compact tack driver.
You've got to spend a lot more, to get the same level of accuracy in a .308 semi platform than you do for a bolt. So, unless there's a need/reason for the semi-auto...JMO...

sailskidrive
August 12, 2012, 07:12 AM
Fulton Armory had a really good in depth article linked from their website that talked about 308 and accuracy. If I remember correctly 18" seems to be a pretty good compromise based on 1:10 twist.

FrosSsT
August 12, 2012, 12:18 PM
"Pretty" was not among the requirements the OP listed, was it?

Hmm...lets take a look at the requirements per the OP-

1. telescoping (adjustable LOP) & folding stock
2. 18" barrel (have read that 16" is too short on a .308, 18" seems like good compromise)
3. Rails for scope and forend grip
(That rail on the Nemesis is for a bipod)
Now lets take a look at what you recommended-

Nemesis Vanquish.


That rifle has nothing of what the OP wants - and you are worried about pretty not being a requirement.

tobnpr
August 12, 2012, 01:05 PM
Quote:
"Pretty" was not among the requirements the OP listed, was it?
Hmm...lets take a look at the requirements per the OP-

Quote:
1. telescoping (adjustable LOP) & folding stock
2. 18" barrel (have read that 16" is too short on a .308, 18" seems like good compromise)
3. Rails for scope and forend grip
(That rail on the Nemesis is for a bipod)
Now lets take a look at what you recommended-

Quote:
Nemesis Vanquish.

That rifle has nothing of what the OP wants - and you are worried about pretty not being a requirement.



You have too much coffee this morning?

The Nemesis DOES have a folding stock option.

http://nemesisarms.com/images/products/FAB_Adapter_Trio.jpg

The OP stated he wanted a 18" barrel because he had "read" that 16" was too short.
In FACT, 16" is not "too short"...

Last, are you really trying to say that one couldn't remove that bipod from the picatinny rail, and put a vertical grip there instead?

So, seems to me the rifle has EVERYTHING the OP requested...

In fairness, I didn't realize initially that I was on the semi-auto forum, I thought it was the "general" forum- so I missed the fact that, obviously, he's looking for a semi.

Go beat your dog, or something...

FrosSsT
August 13, 2012, 08:45 PM
You have too much coffee this morning?

Go beat your dog, or something...

I will be the bigger person and not respond negatively to those comments. Have a nice day sir.

stubbicatt
August 14, 2012, 08:55 PM
Fulton Armory had a really good in depth article linked from their website that talked about 308 and accuracy. If I remember correctly 18" seems to be a pretty good compromise based on 1:10 twist.

Odd the G3 and PTR91 have 18" barrels, IIRC.

5.56RifleGuy
August 15, 2012, 12:51 AM
In my humble opinion, the PTR GI models are a best buy right now.

You get an original factory spec rifle that will handle crap ammo for around $900. Ive shot mine quite a bit and love it.

Cant beat the $2.50 mags ether.

5.56RifleGuy
August 15, 2012, 12:54 AM
You can get a side folding or collapsible stock to go on it too.

side folding for $110 to $135 and collapsible for $179

http://www.robertrtg.com/g3.html

marine6680
August 15, 2012, 02:54 AM
My fiance wants a .308 AR.

Looking at the Sig 716 and the new Colt 901.

Sig is piston driven. I saw someone above had one, how is it? (you can PM as to not hijack the thread, though the OP may like the info)

The Colt is DI and has the ability to use a 5.56 upper. That may be a handy feature.