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Falcon642
August 5, 2012, 07:17 PM
I was only 14 when the first AWB was passed, but how available were AR-15 parts while the AWB was in effect?

If a guy had a stockpile of AR-15 stripped lowers, would you be able to find the parts you needed to build AR-15's while the ban was in place?

With the current political climate, I'm thinking of buying a stripped lower each month and just hanging on to them; just in case.

Thoughts?

johnwilliamson062
August 5, 2012, 09:32 PM
You can get the polymer ones pretty cheap. If you order online you can usually get an FFL to cut you a deal on multiple transfers. You have to buy them at once though.
I am not expecting any AWBs in the near future.

Creeper
August 5, 2012, 09:37 PM
If a guy had a stockpile of AR-15 stripped lowers, would you be able to find the parts you needed to build AR-15's while the ban was in place?There are gun shops that literally have thousands of them they bought during the last big gun scare... or was it the one before that? :p

I'm thinking of buying a stripped lower each month and just hanging on to them; just in case.

Great.... I'll know where to buy some real cheap next year. ;)

C

RT
August 5, 2012, 10:01 PM
What if the "new AWB" requires you to turn in all your "assault rifle" receivers??

Creeper
August 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
What if the "new AWB" requires you to turn in all your "assault rifle" receivers??

I don't see that happening, but then... I suppose many of us will become criminals, won't we. :cool:

C

UtopiaTexasG19
August 5, 2012, 10:26 PM
(1) The liberal media is trying to make you believe that 100% of all Americans are in a uproar about guns when the reality is that most Americans cherish this freedom and most of Washington does not have the stomach to tackle this issue.
(2) I am more concerned that a huge tax will be passed on ammunition that would make the average round cost $3.50-$4.00 a piece.
(3) I doubt seriously any of us are going to wear out our lowers in this lifetime especially if you have a spare parts kit on hand.
(4) I am not worried about any confiscation of my lowers because they were all stolen in a break in last night.

Creeper
August 5, 2012, 10:41 PM
I am not worried about any confiscation of my lowers because they were all stolen in a break in last night.

I know... a guy tried to sell me one this morning. It looked stolen.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l46/mpawelek/ARNikonProStaff3-9x50010Small.jpg

:p

Auto426
August 5, 2012, 10:58 PM
At this point I'm not really concerned about the rifles being outright banned, and if there is an outright ban I'd assume that getting uppers and other parts to actually build out those lowers wouldn't be very easy.

What I am trying to stock up on at this point is magazines. I just placed a $200 order with AIM Surplus for some more Pmags (and a few other Magpul goodies :D). If legislation were attempted I don't believe they would go straight for outright bans on guns, but I do believe they would attempt things like magazine capacity limits and other "common sense", as they like to call it, regulations.

madcratebuilder
August 6, 2012, 06:42 AM
The last Supreme Court ruling upheld the 2nd A, I don't think the beltway kids can do much about fire arms. What they can do is tax the hell out anything fire arm related. Possibly go after magazine capacity.

We well have a clearer picture in three months.;)

Crow Hunter
August 6, 2012, 07:15 AM
If it is written the same as the previous ban. (Which it probably wouldn't be). Stripped lowers will still be post ban if assembled after the date the ban was enacted.

The lower receiver would have had to have been an "assault weapon" at the time the ban was enacted.

So unless it was assembled and attached to an upper with the "bad" features, it wouldn't count.

But I wouldn't count on that in the future. The last bill put forth was even more restrictive than the 1994 ban.

Bartholomew Roberts
August 6, 2012, 08:34 AM
In addition to the issues Crow Hunter pointed out with the 1994 ban, several of the more recent ban attempts (HR1022) would treat a free-float handguard or AR15 upper the same as a prohibited weapon, so having a supply of stripped lowers would not do you much good.

Not to mention the latest magazine ban attempt grandfathers old magazines but prohibits transfers. 10 lowers won't do you much good if you can't get the parts to build them out and can't sell them or pass them on to your children.

SR420
August 6, 2012, 09:03 AM
Buy ammo

Skadoosh
August 6, 2012, 09:14 AM
Buy ammo

This.

Horny Toad
August 6, 2012, 09:33 AM
^ Yep.

Ammo will be the next big target after mag capacity. There may be outright bans on certain calibers, attacks on lead, or maybe insanely high taxes. I'm sure someone will make the argument that ammo is not protected by the 2A.

SR420
August 6, 2012, 09:47 AM
Ammo: Buy it cheap and stack it deep.

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/450/xrg531_450.jpeg

Kimio
August 6, 2012, 02:17 PM
How well would the hold in court though? Wouldn't government agencies suffer as well as the military due to the higher taxes on commercial ammunition? There is a pretty lucrative market when it comes to the selling of surplus ammunition. Of course, government agencies may just be exempt from such a tax.

It gets depressing listening to all this sometimes, if not outright furstrating, enough so that one could scream due to the idiocy that some of these anti gun nuts spout.

nmbrinkman
August 6, 2012, 02:32 PM
The more I read the more paranoid my wife thinks I am. Lately I'm starting to believe her.

Horny Toad
August 6, 2012, 02:38 PM
Of course, government agencies may just be exempt from such a tax.

I have no doubt they would be.

Palmetto-Pride
August 6, 2012, 06:32 PM
Just imagine a second term where he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected.....:eek:

Horny Toad
August 6, 2012, 06:47 PM
And he'll have an opportunity to replace possibly two Supreme Court justices, practically guaranteeing a loss for the next 2A case.

pturner67
August 6, 2012, 08:38 PM
Best guess is that things could unfold like they did in D.C. if they were to pursue that avenue at all. It's difficult to get a gun there (though not impossible). But I think it's more likely that they will tax the hell out of ammo. Stock up.

A synopsis of District of Columbia state laws on purchase, possession and carrying of firearms.

PURCHASE
A person may buy a firearm only from, or sell only to, a licensed dealer in the District. Delivery cannot be made until the registration certificate for the firearm is approved by the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). Ammunition may be bought only for the caliber or gauge of a firearm registered to the buyer.

POSSESSION
All firearms must be registered with the MPD. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21 years old (or be over 18 and have a notorized permission and liability statement signed by his parent or guardian), pass a vision test or have a valid D.C. driver’s license, complete a firearms training course conducted by a state-certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that includes one hour of firing training and 4 hours of classroom instruction.

CARRY
Carrying a handgun, rifle, or shotgun in the District is prohibited, except that a person holding a valid registration for a firearm may carry it in his home or place of business, while it is being used for lawful recreational purposes, and while being being transported for a lawful purpose in accordance with District or federal statute. No license to carry is available.

ps- last I heard, there was only one gun shop available in DC

edit: the classroom instruction requirement might have been waived

Eghad
August 6, 2012, 08:50 PM
During the Assault Ban they made a few cosmetic changes to AR-15s and AK-47s which were legal to sell then. Plus you had pre-ban weapons which were still legal to sell. Companies that had pre ban magazines made a crapload selling them. The only one that benefited from the assault ban was gun companies.

Palmetto-Pride
August 6, 2012, 09:25 PM
The only one that benefited from the assault ban was gun companies.:eek::confused::eek::confused::eek::confused:

Why because they were able to charge a little more for there guns because of the supply and demand aftershock of the AWB. I hardly think that any gun maker/companies benefited from the AWB. That's like saying only car companies benefit from higher MPG restrictions imposed by the EPA.....

essohbe
August 6, 2012, 10:15 PM
If there's another AWB then I'll convert everything I into a machine gun because if they make a criminal out of me for not giving up my guns then I might as well be the best criminal I can be.

a7mmnut
August 6, 2012, 10:24 PM
First they ban guns, then they ban ammo. Next the guns go way down in price, then the ammo all disappears......wth am I doing with 20 AR lowers in my basement?:confused:

-7-

Smit
August 6, 2012, 11:45 PM
There will most likely be a ban on Magazine capacaity, not the receivers themselves.

jmr40
August 7, 2012, 06:35 AM
The only one that benefited from the assault ban was gun companies.



Why because they were able to charge a little more for there guns because of the supply and demand aftershock of the AWB. I hardly think that any gun maker/companies benefited from the AWB. That's like saying only car companies benefit from higher MPG restrictions imposed by the EPA.....


Of course the gun companies benefited from the AWB. The AWB sold more guns than anything in American history. Prior to the AWB Colt was really the only player and a minor one at that as far as civilian rifle sales. We can thank Bill Clinton and his AWB or making the AR the most popular rifle in America today.


The AWB actually banned nothing, it dictated how the guns could be built. During the 10 year AWB far more AR's were sold than the previous 30 years combined. The only difference between a pre-ban rifle, and a rifle made during the ban was the absence of a flash hider. That is it. Without the AWB there would have never have been the dozens of dfferent companies making AR's today. I won't even go into the huge effect it had on handgun sales and design, but let's just say the AWB really helped handgun manufacturing as well.

Hi-cap magazines for most guns were easily available, although more expensive. Any magazine made prior to the ban was still legal and for most guns easily available. New magazines were marked "LE and military use only" All the gun companies simply went to every police dept in the country and gave them one new magazine free for each pre-ban magazine they would return. The older pre-ban magazines for popular guns such as Glock 9mm, S&W, Beretta etc. quickly flooded the market. They did the same with the military with M-16 magazines which were everywhere during the ban.

A few guns that had only been introduced shortly before the ban were hard to find mags for. Glock 40 cal and 10mm mags were in short supply for anything with more than 10 rounds. I actually sold a few G-23 mags for $100 each and saw G-20 mags sell for $150 during the ban.

There will be no 2nd AWB. In 1994 AR's and other "assault weapons", were minor players. The anti-gun folks thought they were unpopular enough that there would be no resistance to banning them. Instead they made them the most popular guns in the country. Today they are just too popular and common to think about banning. The fact that the AWB did nothing to deter crime and crime statisics since the ban ended have shown crime to actually go down is proof. Even the most rabid anti-gun folks understand that the 1994 AWB was a failure.

I expect more gun control measures to be pushed, but no AWB. Look for a push on registration, tighter controls on who can buy guns, and higher taxes on ammo etc.

Stressfire
August 7, 2012, 08:25 AM
Does anyone else recall the old Chris Rock bit on gun control? Something to the effect of: Don't ban guns, but make each bullet cost $5000. Then you'd know that anyone who got shot definitely deserved it.:rolleyes:

I suspect all a ban would do is drive prices up. Might be a better idea to stockpile "high capacity" magazines

tulsamal
August 7, 2012, 10:09 AM
During the 10 year AWB far more AR's were sold than the previous 30 years combined.

It's true. And it's not just AR's by a long shot. AK sales went crazy. The infamous SAR-1 and SAR-2's were $199 for most of that period. I bought several of those myself. This is also the time period when most of us "discovered" the joy of the FAL and how to build one for ourselves. We bought parts kits and figured out the whole parts count thing and suddenly FAL's were everywhere. Something that used to be a quite rare rifle.

I keep thinking the anti's are going to figure this out someday. Every time they beat the drum and even talk about banning something... sales go through the roof. I personally don't see another AWB myself either, not anytime soon anyway. But any serious efforts in that direction will sell another million rifles! And god knows how many rounds of ammunition and primers.

Gregg

SR420
August 7, 2012, 10:46 AM
Stressfire Might be a better idea to stockpile "high capacity" magazines

Good point ~

The standard capacity magazines for my rifles hold 20 and 30 rounds... in my case "high capacity" magazines turned out to be drums.

Check out Xs-Products (http://www.xs-products.com/) for excellent high capacity drum mags like the 50 round X-14 featured in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egs1M9vVP0M).



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jsimmons
August 7, 2012, 12:17 PM
Lowers don't really wear than much. If you have assembled rifles, you're probably good to go. Magazines and ammo are what they'll go after (if anything).

I have enough mags, but you can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire.

Elkins45
August 7, 2012, 12:44 PM
I agree that the next piece of successful legislation will definitely contain a prohibition on 10+ capacity magazines.

I thought I probably had enough, but the media noise after Aurora made me reconsider. I just spend more that I would like to admit with Brownells for a lifetime supply of 20 & 30 round AR mags. I also picked up some spare 15 rounders for my Glock 20 just in case.

Now I need a new safe to store my magazine collection!

house
August 7, 2012, 12:48 PM
I would just buy a bunch of 80% and hang on to them. And then make them into lowers when need be.

Palmetto-Pride
August 7, 2012, 02:45 PM
jmr40 you put it in a new perspective for me and bring up some very logical valid points. I guess I can see where the AWB helped push gun sales......just like Obama helped sale guns when he got elected. I guess what I fear most is a permanent AWB in the long run it would force gun companies out of business. (What I mean by permanent is one that doesn't have a expiration date like the 1994 AWB did)

SR420
August 7, 2012, 03:10 PM
I expect more gun control measures to be pushed, but no AWB.
Look for a push on registration, tighter controls on who can buy guns, and higher taxes on ammo etc.

You could be right, but look for firearm confiscations if a certain somebody is elected to a 2nd term...

bbqbob51
August 7, 2012, 07:55 PM
...buy all the ammo, magazines, AKs and ARs you can find until you break the back of your credit card. Have fun paying it off when nothing really happens. Does anyone remember what happened when Obama was elected? These forums were in a frenzy with all kinds of people thinking the sky was falling.
The only thing that happened was a self created shortage of ammo and AR15 rifles which drove up the prices through the roof. :eek:

Double Naught Spy
August 7, 2012, 09:17 PM
I bought 3 lowers, complete, right before Obama was elected and prices were still fine. I can say that the purchase wasn't too unproductive. I don't mind the spare parts and one lower has been made into a rifle and the other has been used as a spare for classes and such. The third was a waste of money, sort of.

If you are worried about a ban, you should have been buying once you were worried about it. Panic buying for a possible disaster isn't often a wise purchase decision. Buying now falls into that realm.

In other words, if you are buying because you fear a ban and that you may not be able to get something in the future that you may need, then you are already behind because you should have already bought it.

It sort of reminds me of coastal people going out and buying generators with every hurricane. That isn't the ideal time to be buying and why didn't you have one for the last several already?

Of course the gun companies benefited from the AWB.
And don't we want them to do really well?

Justice06RR
August 8, 2012, 02:32 AM
Nothing wrong with buying multiple lowers if you can afford it. Just remember your AR build will deplete your bank account very quickly :D

Crankgrinder
August 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
im with bbq and some others, all of the panic buying did in 08-08 was drive everything through the roof. no ammo, reloading supplies of any kind for nigh 2 years here where i live... and nothing happened.

Whitetail99
August 10, 2012, 12:47 PM
"I have enough mags, but you can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire." he's right. Stock up on ammo. And I need to stock up on mags. But let's get this socialist scum out of office then all us gun bus can breath a little easer.

tobnpr
August 12, 2012, 10:31 AM
The talk is all moot, anyway.
Despite recent "events", talk of further firearm restrictions is mostly non-existent.

It matters not what Obama may, or may not, want-even if he is re-elected.

There is no support in Congress- even in the Senate from many Democrats- for further legislation. They know it has become increasingly unpopular with the American public in general and would be political suicide.

thehemi
January 12, 2013, 02:04 PM
Looking back now, stockpiling lowers was probably not a bad idea!

You could be right, but look for firearm confiscations if a certain somebody is elected to a 2nd term...

Hopefully Obama/Biden don't take too much out of Feinstein's proposal.
Her bill is going to include a strong AWB, registration and -confiscation-.

Hairbag
January 13, 2013, 02:56 AM
Ammo and mags its the easy path I suspect sometime in the future fed laws will prohibit online ammo and magazine sales

Ignition Override
January 13, 2013, 04:18 AM
Are concerns about possible new ammo taxes the primary reason why Prvi .303 'British' has jumped from .75 to about .90/round in two months?
This did not occur to me before seeing this topic.

Or did people buy huge amounts, hoping to scalp future buyers at gun shows, Gunbroker etc?

The only people who clearly benefit during a panic are the sellers.
When the panic bubble collapsed in '09, there were lots of ARs for sale, but many buyers must have lost heaps of cash when forced to get rid of them to pay bills.

globemaster3
January 13, 2013, 08:26 AM
When the panic bubble collapsed in '09, there were lots of ARs for sale, but many buyers must have lost heaps of cash when forced to get rid of them to pay bills.

I've heard this repeated, but its not a universal truth. I was anticipating seeing classified adds selling off all these panic-bought ARs and gunshops full of used examples. Around here, it never happened, much to my surprise! I wanted to buy some nice, cheap ARs to add to the collection in 09, but never saw them.

tgreening
January 13, 2013, 10:45 AM
I wonder if it might be tied to location? I live in the Buckeye State and there are not many big cities here, not on the order of NY, LA, and others of similar size.

Where I live it's a whole lot of farmland and hunting is practically an economy unto itself. I would imagine a lot of the buying around here is by people that already own firearms of multiple varieties, for various activities, and they will just add them to the collection. The folks that want to sell them are already doing so, trying to cash in.

I think, maybe without justification, that a large number of purchases by these big city dwellers were done strictly in panic and with a "better get one before they're gone" mentality. Purchases by people that are not really firearm enthusiasts, but just got caught up in the emotion of the whole thing, and once it all gets more or less back to business as usual they'll look at that credit card bill and think "boy was I stupid" and look to cut their losses.

I'm sure some of that will happen in my area as well, but I'm guessing a larger percentage will take place in larger cities where firearms are less of a tool.

johnwilliamson062
January 14, 2013, 12:16 PM
I wanted to buy some nice, cheap ARs to add to the collection in 09, but never saw them.

I was able to find one in January of 2010. Sold it before the 2012 Election for more than I paid, but thinking what if I had it to sell now...

Had a buddy who bought a bunch of stripped lowers in 2008 and ran into money problems in 2009. Kept trying to sell them for "what they cost" but prices were $50+ lower. He ended up selling them pretty cheap in the end.

I expect around 2014 I will buy one or two on the cheap from somone who needs cash.

tahunua001
January 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
Who brought this one back to life? It's still twitching!

Alabama Shooter
January 14, 2013, 06:14 PM
The talk is all moot, anyway.
Despite recent "events", talk of further firearm restrictions is mostly non-existent.

It matters not what Obama may, or may not, want-even if he is re-elected.

There is no support in Congress- even in the Senate from many Democrats- for further legislation. They know it has become increasingly unpopular with the American public in general and would be political suicide.

Ah, the good ole' days. I remember those.

:rolleyes:

Hairbag
January 14, 2013, 08:54 PM
Just go on the NRA website and see what's going on. Obama needs to do nothing right now. For now it's going to come down to where you live pro-gun or anti-gun state. States do not need the fed's to pass laws they are passing them right now. The days of buying ammo or mags online are sure to end soon for many of us. Just think they get to keep the tax money paid on mags and ammo creating revenue. Rifles will be cheap again. You will be buying ammo/mags from your local gun store with a backround check first. Brick and mortar gun stores are going to be doing very well soon.

Cy4ka
January 14, 2013, 09:11 PM
Just make friends with someone that owns a 3-D printer ;)

PatientWolf
January 14, 2013, 09:55 PM
I think "soon" has come and gone. If you've been inside a brick and mortar lately, you've probably been luck to get near the counter if they have anything left.