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aarondhgraham
July 25, 2012, 12:18 PM
This is not your grandfather's model 24,,,
It's a new gun they call the Model 42.

Click here please (http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/Model42).

It's definitely a modern design and stylized gun.

I'm still trying to decide if I like it or not.

Whadda you good folk think?

Aarond

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jmortimer
July 25, 2012, 12:44 PM
I've checked it out and like it. I would go with the .22 mag version. With the advancements in .410 technology due to the Judge revolver, it would be a good woods gun.

aarondhgraham
July 25, 2012, 01:05 PM
But being a kid I had no idea what a fine firearm it was,,,
I wanted anything semi-auto like my friends had.

I have no need for a gun of this type,,,
But I am always on the lookout for a model 24.

This one is a bit too modern for my tastes,,,
But if I had a kid I would consider it.

Aarond

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SteelChickenShooter
July 25, 2012, 03:33 PM
Interested in it myself and is new to me. Thank you for the post. Looks like a great garden pest control gun. Certainly for small game hunters as well.

stu925
July 25, 2012, 03:54 PM
I don't much care for it, the model 24 is a much classier firearm than the new one. The styling might be good for getting a new shooter interested, but it's definitely not for me.

Stu

thallub
July 25, 2012, 04:11 PM
I don't much care for it, the model 24 is a much classier firearm than the new one. The styling might be good for getting a new shooter interested, but it's definitely not for me.

Same here. i don't like Tupperware on a gun.

Winchester_73
July 25, 2012, 06:52 PM
I'm still trying to decide if I like it or not.

Whadda you good folk think?

The poster below illustrates my feelings as well. Kind of like a polymer stock savage 99 - looks out of place and confused with its identity.

I don't much care for it, the model 24 is a much classier firearm than the new one. The styling might be good for getting a new shooter interested, but it's definitely not for me.


I would also say, when buying an older used 24, not only could you get a better deal most likely (many were made) but it also has some resale value down the road. This new one? Good luck....anyone who knows the old ones probably would not like it. JMHO

oneoldsap
July 25, 2012, 08:34 PM
I think for a Truck , garden or boat gun it would suffice nicely ! I never liked the 24s with the hammer spur firing pins . This new one is like the old Stevens with the sliding striker with the button on the receiver .

idek
July 26, 2012, 01:58 AM
I've never found the .410 appealing. I'd be more interested in a .22lr or .22wmr paired with a 28 or 20 gauge barrel. Even for a kid, I'd rather handload light 28/20 shells or buy Winlite ammo than give him a .410.

ELMOUSMC
July 26, 2012, 03:23 PM
I have had a model 24 for at least 40 years .22/20ga it is a great walk in the woods gun.It has accounted for more rabbits,squrrels,pheasants and even a white tail doe not to mention crows,ground hogs and a turkey
Fine guns and makers of lots of memories I let my grandson carry it now when we go wandering in the woods and some day it will be his walnut and steel not plastic and tin
Elmo

aarondhgraham
July 26, 2012, 03:38 PM
The one thing that does give me pause,,,
Is that front sight/barrel spacer thing-a-ma-bob.

I would have to get one in my hands,,,
I would want to see that part up close before I bought one.

That part looks a bit flimsy to me,,,
I'm thinking the barrels could get tweaked easily.

Aarond

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a7mmnut
July 26, 2012, 03:54 PM
I handled one at a local Walmart two weeks ago. It nearly made me sick (aesthetics).:p The older gun is the gun for older guys, I guess. Plus the $367 price tag won't help it much for youth gun sales. Thumbs down. -7-

aarondhgraham
July 26, 2012, 04:20 PM
I'll have to go to my local Wally World,,,
See if they have one in stock.

Thanks for the tip my friend.

Aarond

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jmortimer
July 26, 2012, 05:02 PM
A .410 Brenneke slug will kill just about anything and I just love the .22 mag. Count me in, plastic don't bother me and I'm AARP material.

carracer
July 26, 2012, 05:10 PM
I've had two of them. A .22mag/410 and a .30-30/20ga. Had lots of problems with the 30-30/20. Shotgun bbl wouldn't fire 75% of the time. Sent it back to Savage and they fixed it and repaired the bluing (messed up from throwing on the ground while pheasant hunting.).

Sold them both. Not sure if I want another. Maybe, but not at that price.

Tom Matiska
July 26, 2012, 05:20 PM
Todays 410 3" loads are far more useful than most think ... but the soon to follow 20ga offering will have an even better variety of loads and choke tubes.

Eghad
July 26, 2012, 07:25 PM
The Savage .22/410 over and under I have was my great grandfathers ;) handy little gun.

idek
July 26, 2012, 09:14 PM
A .410 Brenneke slug will kill just about anything...
That's a rather bold statement. I suppose it's true enough, just like a person can say a .22 can kill anything (given excellent shot placement and enough time for the target to die).

But those slugs wouldn't even be legal for deer where I live. 1000 foot pounds of muzzle energy is the legal minimum (those slugs are listed as 781). Their range is very limited, making them marginal for coyote. What's left? Wood chucks, racoons, rabbits, squirrels, prairie dogs... Basically small game and varmints that can just as easily (and much more cheaply) be taken with a rimfire cartridge.

jmortimer
July 27, 2012, 12:04 AM
"That's a rather bold statement."

MCB Homis knows more than anyone on this subject. From his site:
"The Brenneks on the other hand were used to take a fairly large buck and all three slugs passed clear through the deer."
Article from his web site:
http://mcb-homis.com/deer9410/index.htm

Actual user review from Midway USA site not internet poseur

"Excellent slug, I bagged a 6-point buck at 10 yards. Slug didn't break apart, only slight deformation."

idek
July 27, 2012, 12:58 AM
From the exact same article you linked...

"I would put the 410 slug near the bottom of the acceptable deer cartridges."

and

"the 410 is not an easy gun to shoot and hunt with in general because of its very short range."

So yes, it can work, but it's probably better in the hands of a very experienced hunter than a young kid (which is what this gun seems geared toward).

As for the Midway review, a LOT of choices will work at 10 yards. That doesn't mean it's a good deer cartridge.

I won't really argue that it won't kill. I'll just argue it's very limited in its use.

I see Brenneke has started making 28-gauge slugs that weigh more than twice as much as the .410 slug and have about twice as much energy at 40 yards. This seems more in the ballpark of a deer cartridge. Plus the 28's higher pellet counts and reputation for much better patterns with birdshot just make a 28-gauge option far more versatile (and still manageable for young shooters).

Nine the Ranger
July 27, 2012, 01:39 AM
Huh...

I saw one of these at Wal-mart earlier today and thought to myself 'What in the world is that'"

Funny how things turn out. I like the look of it, black and red. I cannot fathom a use for it though, nor do I have the funds for a gun that I would sit on a shelf to 'look pretty'

Cheapshooter
July 27, 2012, 02:09 AM
I saw it at the NRA convention back in April. A lot more "utilitarian" looking than the 24. Interesting, but with a MSRP over $450, and not really having a definite use for it (like that's stopped me before!) I don't think it's on my short list.

Hunter Customs
July 27, 2012, 07:48 AM
I can't say that I really care for the model 42, maybe if I look at it long enough it might grow on me.

I have two Savage 24's, one is a 24J the other is a 24B and I prefer either one of them over the new gun.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter

Picher
July 27, 2012, 09:38 AM
I had a couple of 24's a .22LR/20 and a .357 mag/20.

Problems with the 24s:
*The problem with the gun is that it's only one shot of either caliber/bore;
*It's generally heavier than a single-barreled rifle;
*Iron sights used to leave a lot to be desired, and scoping made the piece very heavy and unwieldy;
*Accuracy of the rifle was fair, at best;
*Choke was extra full;
*Cocking and selecting barrel wasn't conducive to quick game shots, especially on flushing grouse and woodcock.

If most the above concerns are nullified, it could be interesting, but not for the MSRP.

Note: If the new Savage can accept one, a mini-red dot sight would be really nice on that type of rifle/shotgun.

Eghad
July 27, 2012, 07:19 PM
You need more than one shot?

publius
July 27, 2012, 08:09 PM
I like my old 24 22/410 more, of course. I would like the new gun if they would take the red graphics off and lower the price a bit. I think it's going to be a hard sell at that price.

jhenry
July 27, 2012, 08:26 PM
I have a Springfield M6 Scout .22LR/.410 and I do see the utility, although .22 mag over 20 gauge would interest me more. On the other hand the new M24 is so ugly I can't see myself buying one.

Folks who would be interested in such a beast are going to be turned off by the Buck Rogers look, and the tacticool folks who like Buck Rogers guns are not going to spend cash on a .22/.410 woods gun.

WV_gunner
July 29, 2012, 06:49 AM
I have a 24V in 30-30/20 gauge, love it. I'm trying to find one in .357 mag, wouldnt mind finding one of the pistol grip ones.

This new gun is ok, but I wouldn't buy it. A Savage bolt action .22 is less than $150. A New England shotgun is even cheaper. If I had a kid, I'd buy both.

pmeisel
July 29, 2012, 09:11 AM
Since I already have a .410 and a .22 its hard to justify the expense, but if I lacked either I'd be interested.

A friend had one of these guns in my youth, and it was as said earlier a nice woods walking gun, effective for small game and varmints and tin cans.