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Armymutt
July 19, 2012, 07:51 PM
I've put together a list of rifles I want to get and am trying to figure out how hard it is to get ammo. Which of these calibers do you think will be in short supply in the future?
.30-06 for Garand
.30 Carbine
.303 British
6.5x55 Swede
8mm Mauser
7.62x54R

tahunua001
July 19, 2012, 08:06 PM
6.5 and 30 carbine are already pretty hard to come by unless you are alright with buying cheap tula ammo for a collectable rifle.

06 prices have remained pretty steady but high but there is absolutely no chance of supply ever running out.

54R is the cheapest and is everywhere b ut it won't stay that way forever. I would start stock it up before it breaks $100 per spam can.

8 mause is starting to get rare as is 303 brit, it's a bit of a trade off, 303 is more plentiful but there seems to be a lot more enfield shooters than mauser shooters(at least in my area anyway)

Armymutt
July 19, 2012, 08:39 PM
Thanks. I was under the impression that the M2 ball .30-06 was getting short. The .30 Carbine I'm looking at is Aguila and the 6.5 is Prvi Partizan. I use the former in 9mm for my Glocks, Sig and Sten. Haven't shot the latter.

tahunua001
July 19, 2012, 08:56 PM
M2 is pretty short but there is a lot of factory ammo that still cycles fine in garands. PRVI makes a lot of ammo that other companies have either given up on or just do not want to get invested in like 8mm mannlicher or 6.5 carcano. it's pretty tough to get your hands on but to my knowledge most of it is reloadable so it's a good thing to have around when you just want to stockpile brass.

troopcom
July 19, 2012, 11:33 PM
For me:

1. 8mm mauser
2. 7.5x55 swiss
3. .30 carbine
4. 9x18 makarov
5. 7.62x25 tokarev
6. 7.2x54r

Hardcase
July 20, 2012, 01:19 PM
I'm with troopcom. I'd also add .30-06 M2 ball from CMP to the list.

a7mmnut
July 20, 2012, 03:44 PM
After the news today--ALL OF THEM!!:eek:

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jonnyc
July 20, 2012, 10:18 PM
Get as much of each as you can afford. When you think you have enough, buy more of each.

Armymutt
July 21, 2012, 05:20 AM
That's my idea, but the other occupant of the house disagrees. Last night though, she decided to read some comments on MSNBC and told me to buy what I want after yesterday. Not going to go crazy, but I'm thinking that 1000 each of .30 Carbine, .30-06 M2 ball, and .303 British plus 500 each 6.5x54 Swede and 8mm Mauser, and 880 7.62x54R will tide me over for a little while. Don't even have rifles for the last three yet and am picking up a SMLE today. I don't burn through long gun ammo very fast - no place to shoot right now. Bought 400 rounds for my Garand in 2000 - have 300 left. Probably should start vacuum packing it.

AirForceShooter
July 21, 2012, 06:01 AM
for centerfire guns 1000 rounds each gun.
For .22's Lots and I mean lots.

That's the minimum

AFS

Armymutt
July 21, 2012, 01:23 PM
I have .22LR and short coming out of my ears. I think I still have some with Montgomery Ward price stickers on them. Probably should get more .30-30 and .22 Hornet while I have Household 6's permission. Picked up a 1915 SMLE today - my first old gun that didn't come through the family.

gyvel
July 21, 2012, 03:09 PM
At this point, I would suggest you obtain whatever ammo you need ASAP. After what happened in Colorado, I foresee lots of flak coming down the pike regarding purchases of large amounts of ammo of any kind.:(

Armymutt
July 21, 2012, 04:29 PM
Monday can't come soon enough. Got the order ready. Only waiting because I'm kind of on the fence about the 1903A3 that Aim Surplus has. I know they are re-makes, but I'm wanting a shooter more than a safe queen. Spending the weekend looking at prices. If I do pull the trigger on it, I need to see if they will hold onto it until my C&R comes back.

tahunua001
July 21, 2012, 07:03 PM
actually to my knowledge their A3s are original, the A4s are repros made from A3 actions and modified bolts.

Armymutt
July 21, 2012, 07:12 PM
Oh, ok. Hmm...decisions decisions. To buy the rifle I need to drop 1000 rounds from my order. The ATF just charged my credit card Friday, so it'll be a while before the license comes in. Think they'd hold a rifle if I pay for it?

madcratebuilder
July 24, 2012, 08:17 AM
M2 ball is available. Quality .303 Brit surplus is a rare find, most you see now days is POF and not the most reliable. .30 Carbine is around if you don't mind paying for it. 8mm is around but not at the .10 a round it was just a year ago.

You can always find 03A3's and A4's. I don't think there is going to be a big increase in fire arm prices but I do anticipate a increase in ammo prices. There is going to be a run on all calibers.

jackpine
July 24, 2012, 06:56 PM
all of the above. Pick one or two at most and focus your efforts based on needs. After you have 1000 rounds on hand for each and a reloading set up for each think about the next on the list. 1000 is my benchmark minimum in most cases.

Winchester_73
July 24, 2012, 07:23 PM
41 rimfire, 38 colt, 30 luger

Armymutt
July 24, 2012, 08:12 PM
Reloading is a problem for me - no time and no real space. Maybe when I retire I'll have time - should take me that long to burn through 1000 rounds. I'm buying ammo for rifles I don't even have yet. Easier to talk the wife into it with the Colorado thing. Bloomburg and NJ Frank sealed the deal.

jackpine
July 24, 2012, 10:44 PM
you can fit a reloading kit into a box smaller than a case of beer and if you have the gear you can learn to reload when you have the time or if you must. Reloaders will be shooting long after the rest of them are crying over there empty guns

gyvel
July 25, 2012, 03:11 AM
Reloaders will be shooting long after the rest of them are crying over there empty guns

This, of course, presumes that reloaders are still able to obtain powder, primers and bullets.

Ignition Override
July 25, 2012, 03:35 AM
madcratebuilder:
If any POF can somehow be found these days, would the price be nearly as high as nice, reloadable Prvi .303?

TX Hunter
July 31, 2012, 09:17 AM
For your 8MM Mauser I would stock up on .323 bullets. You can easily form your cases from 30 06 or .270. If you have reloading equipment.

Aguila Blanca
July 31, 2012, 08:38 PM
For your 8MM Mauser I would stock up on .323 bullets. You can easily form your cases from 30 06 or .270. If you have reloading equipment.
My 8mm Mauser ammo is Ecuadorian mil-surp and it's Berdan primed. Does anyone know if the Berdan cases can have a new flash hole drilled and use conventional (Boxer) primers?

TX Hunter
July 31, 2012, 08:43 PM
There is a way to Reload Berdain Primed Brass. Its a little tricky, you use Hydraulic Pressure to Deprime..

Here is a Video Posted by Iraqveteran8888



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpszLICa8OY

Ignition Override
August 5, 2012, 12:30 AM
madcratebuilder:
Was there really 8mm for .10/round a year ago?

I haven't used my Mauser in quite a while (the sights/my lack of skill), but I never saw surplus 8mm for less than about .25/rd. during the last two-three years.

FairWarning
August 12, 2012, 11:15 PM
7.5 x 55 Swiss.....errr I mean, don't worry about that, I'm sure they'll make more GP11. In the meantime, I'll take all the old stuff. :D

8mm Mauser---I no longer shoot the corrosive rounds, but I have plenty in reserve should I need it. I concentrate more on the good quality, full spec Euro rounds such as S&B found online and eventually reloading. Norma and Nosler Custom are tops, but too expensive for my blood when S&B and Hornady perform so well....

The popularity of the super cheap Mosins and the corresponding 54R ammo will eventually drive prices up, so there's another one...

Ignition Override
August 25, 2012, 02:52 AM
FairWarning:
An Italian guy at either Surplusrifle or Gunboards has a friend in Switzerland.

He stated just over a year ago that the Swiss govt. has huge quantities of the Gewehr Patronen 11 ammo stockpiled. As to how much could/would be exported, he did not say.

What is a shame is that surplus ammo for the milsurp rifles with aperture sights, such as Garands or Enfields has either vanished (into closets) or must be reloaded to be economical. The CMP's M2 Ball is about .50/rd. before shipping.

rebs
August 25, 2012, 07:55 AM
I am stocking up on reloading supplies for all my caliber's.

m&p45acp10+1
August 26, 2012, 08:25 AM
I shoot and reload for .30 Carbine, and for 7.62x54R.

PPU (Privi Patisan, AKA "Monarch") Is available for .30 Carbine in reloadable boxer primed brass. Price is comparable to .223 Rem. (About $22 for 50 round box.) Remington is a couple of dollars more per Box.

For the 7.62x54 R for me shooting in my rifle I mostly shoot the Spam can stuff. I reload for Mrs. M&P's rifle. As she has previous back and neck injuries. Shoulder wise recoil does not bother her. Though after a few rounds of surplus ammo her neck and back start to hurt, and it is time to go home.

I use Privi Partisan brass for her rifle. $16 and some change for 20 rounds loaded. The brass is reloadable, and has held up to more than 12 reloads without need for trimming. I load them with Trail Boss so pressure is very low, and recloil is a non factor. I have used .310 Hornady 125 grain SP, .311 Sierra Hot-Core, and Remington .308 110&115 grain FMJ. All have shot under 2 inch groups at 50 yards with iron sights from kneeling.

TX Hunter
August 26, 2012, 10:28 AM
While we are talking about stocking up on Ammo, I was wondering if anyone has ever seen or heard of a Surplus 7.62x54R round not firing ?

I have not, and have shot quite a bit of it, the Russian Cartridges alwayse fire. Sure the ammo is dirty but its reliable.
I think it would be wise to put back a few tins of 7.62x54R and a couple of Mosin Nagant Rifles, or Carbines. Bang for the buck you just cant beat it.

m&p45acp10+1
August 26, 2012, 08:54 PM
TX hunter the only time I have seen 7.62x54R fail to fire was from light primer strikes in a Dragunov. It was still packed in cosmoline as well. After the guy cleaned it with carb cleaner, and oiled it all the ammo went bang every time. I agree with picking up a couple of spam cans while they more affordable. The prices have kept creeping up due to its becoming more popular.

madcratebuilder
August 27, 2012, 08:05 AM
madcratebuilder:
Was there really 8mm for .10/round a year ago?

I haven't used my Mauser in quite a while (the sights/my lack of skill), but I never saw surplus 8mm for less than about .25/rd. during the last two-three years

Those 480rd tins cost $45-50 at gun shows not that long ago, six years or so??

It's been a good summer for finding ammo. 1K of .303 Brit in bandoleers on clips, came with a No5 package deal. Half case of .30 Carbine in bandoleers and clips. Did some swapping for 30.06 AP, straight swap with M2 ball. 2k of LC M193 at .30 rd.

Ignition Override
September 2, 2012, 01:34 AM
You guys out there have a really nice network.

I've wondered for a while whether the lack of cheap .303 surplus causes lots of Enfield owners (who don't reload) to sell them.

TX Hunter
September 3, 2012, 06:50 PM
Ignition Override,
The Cost of the .303 has turned mine into a Safe Queen.
I reload, but just havent got around to the Brittish Cartridge yet. The 8MM Mauser is my favorite to Hand Load.

madcratebuilder
September 5, 2012, 10:08 AM
I've wondered for a while whether the lack of cheap .303 surplus causes lots of Enfield owners (who don't reload) to sell them.

I think so. I also think it has negatively effected the prices of rifles.

Ignition Override
September 7, 2012, 02:34 AM
TX Hunter:
Maybe you have a scope on your 8mm Mauser.

But if you don't, do you find the irons sights on the Enfield #4 or #5 much easier to use than the original sights on a Mauser such as my Yugo 48A or maybe a K-98 etc?

My 48A has not been used in a good while, and might remain an "Untouchable".

TX Hunter
September 8, 2012, 11:07 AM
My Mauser is not scoped, its a bone stock 24 47 Yugo With Bent down Bolt Handle from Samco Global Arms. Except that I added a Tall Front sight from Brownells, and painted the back of it white.
I raised the rear sight to 700 yards and am Dead on at 100. With my Handloads.
I like my Mauser Sight better than the Sights on my Einfield N#5.
The Enfield shoots way left, and I had to drift the front sight all the way over and epoxy it to keep it from falling out of the dove tail. The 300 yard appeture will put them in the dirt at 100 yards. I dont like having to raise the vernier sight to shoot. So I just stuck it in the safe and dont use it.

Old Grump
September 8, 2012, 12:57 PM
Anything you can get your hands on and afford.