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Slugo
July 15, 2012, 08:32 PM
a change of pace from the darker woods and a nice contrast with all the bluing... :cool:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8010/7579237160_7ee83815dd_b.jpg

chadio
July 15, 2012, 08:47 PM
Oh my goodness... that is hot

.300 Weatherby Mag
July 15, 2012, 10:14 PM
Stock is sexy... The rest of the gun is ugly as sin...

dalecooper51
July 16, 2012, 09:03 AM
Browning shotguns would look much better as a whole if they didn't insist on ruining every single one of them with porting.

mete
July 16, 2012, 09:50 AM
I assume that gun was designed for target shooting . When the porting nonsense started , about the time sporting clays became popular, we did some serious tests.
I understood all the physics involved so I knew the outcome. But some who didn't had to be shown. A very experienced and good shooter went through a round of SCs .At each stage firing half the rounds with a ported gun and half with an unported gun .Both were Brownings , identical except for the porting.
The shooter could not feel any difference and none of us could see any difference. :eek:The point is that the shotguns use fast burning powder so ignition is complete before the shot string passes the ports .There is little hot gas exiting the ports .Therefore no reduction in recoil.
This of course is with TARGET loads. Hotter hunting loads will see a recoil reduction since there will be hot expanding gases at the ports. BTW the longer the barrel the less the benefit.
The porting fad is another fine example of the love of gadgets by Americans and their lack of knowledge of science. Learn the science of it and you won't be so quick to buy an ugly barrel with holes .:p

BigJimP
July 16, 2012, 11:17 AM
I disagree on the porting issue....I still say it reduces muzzle jump between the 1st and 2nd bird....and does nothing to reduce recoil.

But yes, a nice piece of figured maple makes a nice looking stock - and it is a little different .... but turkish walnut can give you some interesting grain patterns too - like this Browning XT 32", I've had for several years - and actually bought used ( the lower one in the photo ) ...the other XT on top is another 32" ...but it has the more standard stock on it - still nice, but not as nice as the upgraded -- more yellow - one...

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38068&d=1226348855

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82013&d=1339792349

TheKlawMan
July 16, 2012, 03:56 PM
duplicate

TheKlawMan
July 16, 2012, 04:06 PM
If you really want to do a scientific study the gun should be fired from a machine using sensors to record recoil as well as muzzle rise. One problem with having a human shoot with ported and unported guns is what is know as the placebo effect. The fact that the shooter knows if a gun is ported or not may unconsciously affect his perceptions as well as the way he approaches each shot.

Here is a simple recoil test. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPh2sS9_1wc

It shouldn't be too difficult to build something with a clamp simulating the grip on the small of the stock, but with a spring and marker, to record degrees of rotation indicating barrel lift. I would be amazed that there isn't sophisticated equipment available to gun designers.

BigJimP
July 16, 2012, 04:31 PM
I'm not plugging my ported barrels ....no matter what !! :D

mete
July 16, 2012, 04:35 PM
Do I really have to say " no significant reduction in recoil " ???
BTW many factory target loads are designed to burn all the powder within the barrel -that's why they are lower recoiling ,that's why the porting isn't needed .

BigJimP
July 16, 2012, 04:41 PM
Here are some birds eye maple ( the lighter tops ) ...some natural cherry wood bases ...and some Acacia boxes (the dark lid )...( made them this weekend ) ..... they hold salt and pepper on the kitchen counter next to the stove....( lids rotate on a steel shaft ) ... my wife asked me to make her a few this weekend..../ simple band saw boxes...

( these species of wood - would all make nice stocks too ) .....or nice gun cases...

82650

oneounceload
July 16, 2012, 04:52 PM
Here ya go, Slugo - just for you - a 20/28 set

http://www.joeletchenguns.com/citorisideplate.html

http://www.joeletchenguns.com/citori2bblwithcase_small1.JPG

ONLY 3900 for the set and case.......

BigJimP
July 16, 2012, 04:54 PM
$ 4 K seems reasonable....for essentially 2 guns....

zippy13
July 16, 2012, 05:06 PM
The same physics, but on a different scale.

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/2/porting.gif

BigJimP
July 16, 2012, 05:16 PM
See, now we know why our buddy Zippy hates ported guns...:D

oneounceload
July 16, 2012, 06:06 PM
He's not the ONLY one in that regard!

zippy13
July 17, 2012, 12:38 AM
Zippy hates ported guns...:DI like my ported guns, however there are some disadvantages -- like plastic build-up in the vents.The point is that the shotguns use fast burning powder so ignition is complete before the shot string passes the ports .There is little hot gas exiting the ports .Therefore no reduction in recoil.Have you ever shot a ported gun in dim light? I've seen significant fire jets from my ports. The additional flash, when shooting in low light, is another disadvantage of ported guns.I still say it reduces muzzle jump between the 1st and 2nd bird....and does nothing to reduce recoil.You can't have it both ways, my friend. If the physics reduce muzzle hop, then there's been energy diverted away from the muzzle, that diverted energy will also result in less recoil.

BigJimP
July 17, 2012, 10:57 AM
You're probably right Zippy ....yes, I do believe it reduces muzzle jump fairly significantly ...( so there might be some reduction in recoil )...but with porting near the end of the barrel, I can't feel much reduction ...

.....but then again its not like I have a way to measure the recoil on a gun without porting ...and one with porting..../ I don't have 2 identical guns with and without the porting.

But even if the reduced muzzle jump is just in my head....so be it ! :D Advertising is effective....( there is a reason Dillon puts very attractive ladies on the cover of the Blue Press catalog every month... ).....and it certainly has very little to do with reloading.../ and I admit, I'm susceptible to advertising...

BoogieMan
July 17, 2012, 06:00 PM
Interesting thread. I am so happy to see a thread thats not about Tacticool shotguns. I just bought a used Gold Fusion for my son to get him out of the youth 870. It so happens that it has a ported skeet choke screwed into it. IMO it looks pretty cool. I doubt that it could have any effect on muzzle jump or recoil. I havent shot it yet.

Slugo
July 17, 2012, 06:10 PM
at least I didn't start out praising my new Browning 725! :D:rolleyes:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7579236596_cf6390447c_b.jpg

oneounceload
July 18, 2012, 06:43 AM
What type of recoil pad are they putting on the new 725 Slugo?

Slugo
July 18, 2012, 07:14 AM
read this...
http://www.browning.com/library/infonews/detail.asp?id=373&bg=x

BigJimP
July 18, 2012, 11:08 AM
If Browning's marketing dept is paying you royalties Slugo .... :cool:

( I at least want an honorable mention in your biography...) ... or a decent latte....out of the deal next time you re-negotiate your contract.:D

zippy13
July 18, 2012, 12:07 PM
If Browning's marketing dept is paying you royalties Slugo .... :cool:
Big Jim, IMHO, you and Slugo seem to be shoulder to shoulder in the Browning parade. :rolleyes:

BigJimP
July 18, 2012, 12:15 PM
Oh no, they have to be paying him ....for the photos if nothing else...:D

but yes, Browning makes a heck of a shotgun for the money ...and I do have a couple of them...:cool:

zippy13
July 18, 2012, 01:41 PM
Jim, they're Browning's pics :rolleyes:

Like this one:
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/images/images-by-title-name/Citori-Feather-Lightning-MID-013534-m.jpg

Slugo
July 18, 2012, 07:26 PM
then let me throw up one of mine!!! :D

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rnhlVwfBaM4/T_GmfZjOldI/AAAAAAAAYjY/VuQOiAcEfHg/s912/DSC_0004-002.JPG

BigJimP
July 19, 2012, 11:51 AM
those stocks have to be at least 1 grade up from "crate wood" as my buddy says....:D

but seriously, --- and not just to yank Slugo's chain ---which is fun --- / but seriously, Browning has been sourcing their stocks with a much better quality walnut than they did 15 yrs ago. However, I do not like their " oil finish" they are using on a lot of their models now ...it doesn't hold up to weather very well...and after a couple of yrs it tends to get "muddy" or cloudy looking hiding the grain --- and the only way I've found to bring the looks of the gun back - are to completely strip it and refinish it with a harder varnish ( like poly). Some models like the XS Skeet and the XT Trap still have the more durable heavier / gloss varnish that just holds up better.

Slugo
July 19, 2012, 06:22 PM
BigJim, pull this... :eek:

http://rlv.zcache.com/pull_my_finger_greeting_card-p137720145122684563envwi_400.jpg

:p:)

BigJimP
July 19, 2012, 06:32 PM
Oh come on now ....I said at least 1 grade up .....:D

.300 Weatherby Mag
July 19, 2012, 06:38 PM
Here's some wood for ya, BigJim...:D

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1/Husky507/perazzimiragew3.jpg

BigJimP
July 19, 2012, 06:42 PM
Now that is a " shotgun stock " ......very nice my man......

Slugo
July 19, 2012, 09:51 PM
300WM, that is spectacular!!

Slugo
July 19, 2012, 09:54 PM
look at this beautiful wood! AK-47 grade... :rolleyes:

http://billstclair.com/remington870-1236x434.jpg

zippy13
July 20, 2012, 08:03 AM
Slugo, that 870's got P-grade wood... P for pallet. ;)

Slugo
July 20, 2012, 08:54 AM
hahahahahaha. P as in pee... :)

Slugo
July 20, 2012, 08:57 AM
Zip, I would never have imagined that Remington, as it once was, would be producing the crap they are offering up these days. But then, count the owners over the last 15 years or so... :(

BigJimP
July 20, 2012, 10:51 AM
nice spray on tan ....on some of those guns isn't it ....

zippy13
July 20, 2012, 11:06 PM
For some years, hasn't the Remington catalog referred to the stock material as something like "walnut finished" hardwood?

TheKlawMan
July 21, 2012, 02:01 AM
Zippy. I believe some of them come with laminated wood; BigJim would know better but that sounds like just a step up from dimensional wood a.k.a. plywood.

.300 Weatherby Mag
July 21, 2012, 02:40 AM
Zippy. I believe some of them come with laminated wood; BigJim would know better but that sounds like just a step up from dimensional wood a.k.a. plywood.

They are a laminated hardwood... I had one... The only downside is that they are heavier than the earlier models with the walnut finished hardwood...

look at this beautiful wood! AK-47 grade...

Although I don't particularly like the looks my 20 gauge express sure shoots good...

zippy13
July 21, 2012, 11:24 AM
The only downside is that they are heavier than the earlier models with the walnut finished hardwood...
Depending upon the application, being heavier may not be a detriment.

.300 Weatherby Mag
July 21, 2012, 11:44 AM
Depending upon the application, being heavier may not be a detriment.

For chasing quail or Chukars it would be a detriment... For targets, not so much...

zippy13
July 21, 2012, 12:31 PM
For chasing quail or Chukars it would be a detriment... For targets, not so much...
Exactly!
Of course, there are some guys, like my buddy Big Jim, whose arms are so long that they hunt upland with a rake.

Powderman
July 21, 2012, 12:56 PM
@300WM...There are very few occasions where I am left speechless.

That stock is truly beautiful. I can only wish that I could afford something like that.

zippy13
July 21, 2012, 01:15 PM
Powderman, here's another P-gun you might like...

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3680/mx8.gif

Powderman
July 21, 2012, 01:32 PM
Whimper....whine.....shake.....

That shotgun is almost too pretty to shoot.

Almost. :D

zippy13
July 21, 2012, 01:56 PM
I've shot it 3 or 4 times in the last 15-years.

.300 Weatherby Mag
July 21, 2012, 11:01 PM
That stock is truly beautiful. I can only wish that I could afford something like that.

Keep your eye out... You never know what you might find on a used gun rack... I have a Winchester Model 12 field gun that somebody put Diana Grade wood on.... Paid $500 for it...

zippy13
July 21, 2012, 11:35 PM
I have a Winchester Model 12 field gun that somebody put Diana Grade wood on.... Paid $500 for it...
God will get ya for that one.