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huntwv
July 14, 2012, 08:42 PM
Hey guys - Newbie here, i just purchased a couple Jap rifles, one was a 6.5 looks to be original, and it has the Mum intact and the "wings" on the sight. What would the typical value be? i will take some pics and upload them. but just as a general idea how much could this gun be worth?

thanks
Tommy

HankC1
July 14, 2012, 10:14 PM
Saw a sporter at my local gunshop and the price was $79.

Mike Irwin
July 14, 2012, 11:18 PM
Uhm... as far as I know, none of the 6.5s had the anti-aircraft lead sights.

Only the type 99s in 7.7 had those.

madcratebuilder
July 15, 2012, 09:10 AM
I agree with Mike, only the Type 99 had the A/C sights.

A original unrestored Arisake can go for north of 1K if in very nice condition with a intact Mum. The Arsenal and Series well make a difference in value.

Very few still have the original Urushi finish on wood as most GI's refinshed these on the way home aboard ship. Urushi is derived from the Sumac tree and is poisonous. There are many documented cases of men aboard ship returning from the wars end devolving skin rash and respiratory problems. Caused by GI's sanding on captured Jap rifles. Aboard ship this fine dust would be spread be the ventilation system and effect the entire crew.

A type 99 in good condition with original finish intact, removed Mum, is a $300-400 rifle. If it retains the Mum it can be double that.

This Nagoya Arsenal series five with Mid-War Type 30 bayonet has a mismatched bolt and is missing the Mum. It does retain the Urushi finish and has about 70% of the blue finish remaining. The chrome bore is very nice. Original A/C sights with reproduction sling, muzzle cover and mono-pod.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/arisaka01.jpg

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 12:17 PM
here are some pics... Please let me know what you think... from what i can tell this is a 6.5... but im a newbie so im not sure...lol

thanks

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 12:19 PM
more pics...

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 12:21 PM
Mum Pic..

Scimmia
July 15, 2012, 01:37 PM
That is most definitely a Type 99 which would be 7.7, not 6.5. Check this site and decode some of the markings, I can't see them well enough on the monitor I'm on right now.

http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 04:05 PM
Looks like a Nagoya Arsenal 1923-1945 series 28.... (not sure what that means, but thats the markings on the link you sent...

So with this information, knowing now its a 7.7 with mum and the wings in the shape that it is in what would you estimate the value to be?

doofus47
July 15, 2012, 06:07 PM
Price is variable depending upon where you are selling and who is buying and how bad the buyer really wants your particular rifle. There's a phrase for this.

Your rifle looks solid, but not terribly unusual. But it's not butchered by Bubba and could, maybe, get between 3 or 5 bills. Maybe more if you run into someone who really, really needs only a Nagoya 4 to complete their collection. I think that you should buy a good reference book. If you bought several, then you might as well be an informed buyer and seller going forward. Additionally, you could spend a couple months watching auction sights for Nagoya Type 99 rifles in condition similar to your rifle.

Nice rifle, btw.

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 06:51 PM
Thanks alot for your input.....

So here is another question.... this is another gun that i bought..
Is this the 6.5 or the 7.7? given that the 6.5's didnt have the wings i assume this is the 7.7..
As you can tell it was sporterized, but it looks like it was done with a very nice stock.... how much would one of these value at? being sporterized?..

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 06:52 PM
here are some more pics..

huntwv
July 15, 2012, 06:55 PM
Toyo Kogyo 1939-1945 - Series 33

Scimmia
July 15, 2012, 08:00 PM
Toyo Kogyo only made Type 99s to the best of my knowledge/references, which would also make it 7.7. Originally, atleast. Hard to say for sure with a sportorized rifle

As for value, sportorized rifles are difficult. Most sportorized Arisakas I've seen have been around $100, but the intact mum on that one could very well bring that up as a barreled action.

Gunplummer
July 15, 2012, 08:56 PM
Not long ago I auctioned off over 100 Arisakas (My Collection). The wood seemed to dictate the price. I have seen original wood sets go for more than complete rifles. The exception being battle damage such as schrapnel and bullet marks. I had one type 30 that was toasted on the one side and it went pretty high. The wood on yours looks pretty good yet.

Sport45
July 15, 2012, 09:34 PM
The quick way to tell them apart:
1 vent hole = type 99
2 vent holes = type 38

madcratebuilder
July 16, 2012, 09:31 AM
Gunplummeris right on about the wood. huntwv's first rifle has been refinished and the second is a sporter, not a lot of resale value.

It's difficult to find a Arisaka with original finish and any condition. Most have refinished wood and many are even re-blued. Some of the refinishing is coming up on 70 years old and may look original to some.

Mike Irwin
July 16, 2012, 10:03 AM
Your type 99 appears to be missing the monopod. It attached to the middle barrel band and was a wire affair.

Not particularly useful and was often discarded because it got caught on stuff.

It's also missing the sliding dust cover. Soldiers often removed these because they rattled.

Neither is a killer blow to the value of the gun, and in fact you can get both fairly inexpensively.

Tikirocker
July 16, 2012, 06:03 PM
My Type 99 with all original parts, AA sights, bipod, dust cover, Mum intact - this was an Australian Battle Captured rifle ( Papua New Guinea bring back ) that retains the correct Japanese finish ( Urushi ). It has plenty battle character and I plan to keep it exactly how it is, this is a piece of War history when my country was under direct attack from Japan ... ( I have the Kokura bayonet also )

( I also have a Type 38 Carbine, battle capture, Mum intact with original rubber/canvas sling )

http://i54.tinypic.com/beafq8.jpg

Tiki.

tater134
July 16, 2012, 07:27 PM
Your type 99 appears to be missing the monopod. It attached to the middle barrel band and was a wire affair.

Not particularly useful and was often discarded because it got caught on stuff.

It's also missing the sliding dust cover. Soldiers often removed these because they rattled.

Neither is a killer blow to the value of the gun, and in fact you can get both fairly inexpensively.

I have to disagree with you there Mike. Having an original dust cover and monopod on a type99 is a major plus to the value. Original dust covers and monopods aren't cheap either. Repro's are all over but they are easy to tell apart from originals. Missing those parts is what makes a $600-800 rifle into a $200 rifle. I think some of the price estimates in this thread are a bit high for the OP's rifle. There are 8 all original Arisakas at a gun shop near me for $175 each and they are nice guns. I guess prices do vary by area but around here most Japanese rifles are cheap unless they have all the goodies (AA sights, pod, dust cover, matching numbers) then they command a premium. Just my .02

Tikirocker
July 16, 2012, 08:44 PM
Cleaning rods are also often missing ...

Tiki.

carguychris
July 16, 2012, 09:31 PM
Toyo Kogyo only made Type 99s...
You know, I was unaware until I read this thread that Toyo Kogyo ever made the Type 99.

This company currently produces the Type 2, 3, 5, 6, MX-5 Miata, and RX-8, and formerly produced the Type 323, 626, RX-7, and B-2200, among others. ;)

Mike Irwin
July 17, 2012, 08:28 AM
Hum. I guess prices have moved on quite a bit on those parts, then.

Last time I assembled a 99 for a friend in the early 1980s the correct monopod was something like $12 and the correct dustcover was about the same.

tater134
July 17, 2012, 09:23 AM
Hum. I guess prices have moved on quite a bit on those parts, then.

Last time I assembled a 99 for a friend in the early 1980s the correct monopod was something like $12 and the correct dustcover was about the same.

I wish original parts were still that cheap. Original dust covers are $40-60 now and monopods are well over $100. Even a repro monopod is about $50-60 now.

Gunplummer
July 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
I had very few with the dust covers that matched. They are serialized to the rifle. Real collectors with money look at that kind of thing.

James K
July 17, 2012, 12:50 PM
In a moment of foolishness, I once bought a repro monopod (I knew it was repro). It was not only of poor construction and an obvious repro, but it didn't fit properly. I had the impression that neither the maker nor the seller ever actually tried to put one on.

Jim