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hulley
July 2, 2012, 12:59 PM
Ok guys, I'm looking for a .308/7.62 AR style gun to buy. I'm very familiar with the AR15 but not so much in .308. I considered a 300BLK but I want to step up to a .308.

I plan on using this for hunting and some target work but not concerned with very long distances, maybe 500yrds.

I would like a 16-18" barrel, good trigger and be somewhat light with a collapsable stock. I know its gonna be heavier than my AR15s but I want to be able to lug this around in the woods and set up easily. Also mag availablity is a plus. Also I dont have a preference on DI or gas piston but whichever is more reliable.

I dont have a ton of money to spend but I'll spend more to get a quality piece.

Crow Hunter
July 2, 2012, 01:19 PM
Let me know when you find one.

I am looking for the same thing.

:D

loose_holster_dan
July 2, 2012, 01:40 PM
lwrc (http://www.lwrci.com/p-120-repr.aspx#inf-tabs) or lmt (http://www.lmtstore.com/308-modular-weapon-system.html) would be my choices. surprisingly enough, weight seems to be almost as big of a price driver as precision parts. i love my rra operator, but even their elite operator is a bit heavy to carry around. 308 AR's cost boatloads more than 556. you can pretty much expect to pay 80% more for the same quality and features. also, you have to watch out with part compatibility. unlike the ar-15, the 308 ar platforms do not share parts. rra is notoriously bad for this.

velocette
July 2, 2012, 01:48 PM
I can only suggest from my personal experience. I bought a DPMS LR 308B about 6 years ago. It was ordered by my dealer direct from DPMS with a JP trigger, 18" Cryo treated bull barrel, adjustable gas block & Hogue handgrip, slickside, no fwd assist. It came with a free floated foregrip / handguard & took 4 months for delivery. I mounted a 4 ~ 16 x 50 scope on it & have had fun ever since. It groups 5 rds consistently at 5/8" @ 100 yds with its favorite handload & at just over 1" with cheap Federal power shok ammo from Walmart @ $13.00 / box.
It is heavy at about 11 lbs. If I were to order the same gun for hunting & toting around on my back, I'd order a standard profile barrel to save the weight & use a smaller, lighter scope. Of all the things that you should consider, be absolutely certain to order yours with an upgraded trigger. The stock AR triggers generally are horrible or worse. The DPMS / Remington and most others all use the same magazines that are inexpensive (relatively) and readily available from DPMS or MagPul or Cproducts.
In the 8 years, the rifle has never jammed, failed, broken or caused any problems with over 2000 rds downrange. It is more accurate now than when it was new. The only change I have made is to switch the Hogue handgrip for a Magpul MOE+ which I like better & installed a slip on recoil pad. Total investment was a bit over $1500.00 including the ($375.00) scope. Definitely one of the best firearms investments I have ever made.

Roger
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/RogerS_photo/Fire%20arms%202010/firearms41410043-1.jpg

hulley
July 2, 2012, 02:02 PM
also, you have to watch out with part compatibility. unlike the ar-15, the 308 ar platforms do not share parts. rra is notoriously bad for this.

Thats the main thing with my post. I've heard of compatibility issues with some while others are more of a "Standard". I want one more of a standard so spares/mags wouldnt be too hard to find (or costly).

I can only suggest from my personal experience. I bought a DPMS LR 308B about 6 years ago. It was ordered by my dealer direct from DPMS with a JP trigger, 18" Cryo treated bull barrel, adjustable gas block & Hogue handgrip, slickside, no fwd assist. It came with a free floated foregrip / handguard & took 4 months for delivery. I mounted a 4 ~ 16 x 50 scope on it & have had fun ever since. It groups 5 rds consistently at 5/8" @ 100 yds with its favorite handload & at just over 1" with cheap Federal power shok ammo from Walmart @ $13.00 / box.
It is heavy at about 11 lbs. If I were to order the same gun for hunting & toting around on my back, I'd order a standard profile barrel to save the weight & use a smaller, lighter scope. Of all the things that you should consider, be absolutely certain to order yours with an upgraded trigger. The stock AR triggers generally are horrible or worse. The DPMS / Remington and most others all use the same magazines that are inexpensive (relatively) and readily available from DPMS or MagPul or Cproducts.


Good looking rifle! I want something similar except an adjustable stock and a threaded barrel.

loose_holster_dan
July 2, 2012, 02:08 PM
apparently the elite operator wasn't as heavy as i thought at 9.1lbs. gotta love that half-quad. my standard operator will easily achieve 1/2 groups at 100yds with pmc ammo and the right shooter. i have almost no experience and shot these two groups this weekend. each has 5 rounds in it. the standard operator feels extremely heavy at 10.2lbs. maybe it's my glass, or maybe it's the extra long barrel.

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/hayj02/IMG_20120630_190628.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/hayj02/Untitled.jpg

chack
July 2, 2012, 11:49 PM
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rugerdawg
July 3, 2012, 07:11 AM
I picked up a .308 CMMG 16" sst lightweight and aside from a small issue with their new two-stage trigger the gun has performed flawlessly. It consistently shoots groups in the .6 - .7 moa range with premium ammo off the bench. I have owned 3 other ar-10 configurations from armalite and all shot well also.
I have added a magpul ubr stock, a heavier buffer and a spike's dyna comp to bring the recoil down, as it is much lighter than my other ar-10's. I will change out the trigger eventually to a timney or geissle ssa which I have used in several other builds and feel are a better trigger. CMMG does offer a heavy 16" barrel and an 18" also.

madcratebuilder
July 3, 2012, 07:20 AM
I would like a 16-18" barrel, good trigger and be somewhat light with a collapsable stock. I know its gonna be heavier than my AR15s but I want to be able to lug this around in the woods and set up easily. Also mag availablity is a plus.

The new ArmaLite AR-10A carbine. It is a SR-25 magazine, the defacto standard, rifle that weighs in at 7.75 lbs, two stage trigger, 16" double lapped, chrome lined barrel. Life time warranty and under $1600.

In that same price range the CMMG MK3. It's a SR-25 style with a 16 & 18" barrels, probably around 8.5 lbs, more with the PRS some models come with.

When you start hanging optics and accessories on these 7.62 AR's they get heavy in a hurry.

hulley
July 3, 2012, 09:01 AM
The new ArmaLite AR-10A carbine. It is a SR-25 magazine, the defacto standard, rifle that weighs in at 7.75 lbs, two stage trigger, 16" double lapped, chrome lined barrel. Life time warranty and under $1600.

This sounds like what I'm looking for. I thought I heard something about the new AR-10s that took a "standard" mag but wasnt sure. Your right about scopes, they can be pretty heavy.

Does the AR-10 take the same lower parts kit as an AR-15? I know I would have a different trigger but parts kits would be nice to have on hand.

loose_holster_dan
July 3, 2012, 09:18 AM
all these can use magpul pmags:
DPMS
KAC SR25 Variants
LMT LM8/MWS
GAP10
Larue OBR/PredatOBR
ArmaLite AR-10A
CMMG MK3
KAC

Basement-Gunsmith-Z
July 3, 2012, 03:45 PM
You didn't specify price, so i assume you aren't on an extremely tight budget. I will suggest the pof-usa p308 if you are looking for a .308 ar. They are reliable, rugged, accurate, and pretty light. The come with a Geissele super semi auto trigger. Everything is np3 plated, so no lube needed:D. Easiest ar to clean i have owned. It has a nice lightweight piston system at only a few ounces. I believe they weigh around 8.6 pounds unloaded. Accuracy on them is amazing. I can hit a penny at 100 yards about every time, and when i miss, it's all my fault... not the gun's. And the barrel's life is around 25000+ rounds, which is a huge bonus, and it's free floated. If you only want to go out to around 500 yards, you may want to consider a 6.5 grendel as well. If you decide you want 6.5 grendel you can just buy a new upper, or parts to put in your ar15 and save some money.

MOshooter65202
July 3, 2012, 07:36 PM
I've been very happy with my DPMS LR308 AP4 carbine I purchase 7 or 8 years ago,for a AR style 308 it's pretty light,free floated 16" barrel,collapsable stock,and very reliable and accurate.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii287/tinman65202/guns/bdb028ef.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii287/tinman65202/guns/f1b2d946.jpg

brmfan
July 3, 2012, 11:06 PM
+ 1x100 POF!!
Just put about 400 Prvi Partisan through mine and barely had any fouling on the bcg. Was also able to pick off spent 12 guage shells @ 100 with ease. It's not as sleek as other designs but in terms of technology and design it is a masterpiece! As mentioned earlier it is also bolt-gun accurate due to a button rifled hand lapped Rock Creek 5R barrel! :D:D

madcratebuilder
July 4, 2012, 06:24 AM
Does the AR-10 take the same lower parts kit as an AR-15? I know I would have a different trigger but parts kits would be nice to have on hand.

Yes and no. Most the springs and detents are the same, the FCG is the same. Some may use a different hammer spring, but the safety, hammer, trigger, disco, and disco spring are the same as AR15 parts.

You well see a different magazine release and bolt stop with the different brands, these are proprietary to the specific brand. The RE's and/or buffers are different to compensate for the carriers half inch longer length. The pivot pin and take down pin are larger in the 7.62 AR's. Barrel nuts are proprietary and this effects what after market hand guard well fit.

If you get the ArmaLite they offer a $10 spring and detent kit for spares.

tobnpr
July 4, 2012, 03:36 PM
FNAR

But does not have the collapsible stock.

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?gid=&fid=FNF049&mid=FNM0176

riggins_83
July 4, 2012, 11:27 PM
I've been very impressed with the CMMG rifle; free floated bull barrel and quite accurate.

TimW77
July 5, 2012, 10:54 PM
"unlike the ar-15, the 308 ar platforms do not share parts. rra is notoriously bad for this."

This is internet BS...

Because ArmaLite and ONLY ArmaLite "owns" the AR-10, all other manufacturers of "AR-10 type" rifles MUST make enough changes to the design so it is not considered a copy of the AR-10.

This is true of everyone and not just RRA.

The only difference between RRA and these others is that RRA is honest about the changes, their website clearly says there are differences...

T.

madcratebuilder
July 6, 2012, 06:03 AM
"unlike the ar-15, the 308 ar platforms do not share parts. rra is notoriously bad for this."

This is internet BS...

Because ArmaLite and ONLY ArmaLite "owns" the AR-10, all other manufacturers of "AR-10 type" rifles MUST make enough changes to the design so it is not considered a copy of the AR-10.

This is true of everyone and not just RRA.

The only difference between RRA and these others is that RRA is honest about the changes, their website clearly says there are differences...

T.

Not really. The ArmaLite AR-10B and Noveske N6 use identical parts. The manufacturer only was to use a different "name" or roll mark. Only ArmaLite can use AR-10, only DPMS can use LR-308 and so on.

Different magazines well require the manufacturer to design the parts slightly different. The parts in the ArmaLite AR-10B (M14 mags) and the ArmaLite AR-10A (SR-25 mags) are different. The uppers, lowers, and many LPK parts are different.

The main reason that the 7.62 AR's have a parts interchange issue is all the different magazine styles used. M14, FAL, G3 and SR-25 mags. There's a great FAQ at ar15.com in the AR-10 section that covers these compatibility issues.

Logs
July 6, 2012, 06:29 AM
I bought a Bushmaster ORC last year for $899 at Sportsman's Warehouse for the price. I thought the recoil and accuracy wasn't to my liking so I sold it. I think the heavier Armalites might be worth looking into. I went with the M1A and love it.

madcratebuilder
July 7, 2012, 07:20 AM
I bought a Bushmaster ORC last year for $899 at Sportsman's Warehouse for the price. I thought the recoil and accuracy wasn't to my liking so I sold it. I think the heavier Armalites might be worth looking into. I went with the M1A and love it.

I agree the carbine stocked 7.62 AR's seem to have more recoil. I have a PRS on my N6 and the extra buffer weight keeps recoil pretty mild, and it's a heavy rifle also.

Shooting the same SA surplus I think my M1A's have a bit more recoil than the N6. Hard to tell I'm having so much fun:D The N6 would be the last rifle I would part with.

RangerHAAF
July 7, 2012, 05:39 PM
I own and recommend the Rock River LAR 8/A4. It's accurate, durable and shoots 1 moa out of the box. I use mine to hunt at night with an illuminating laser unit attached.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=255

http://www.lasergenetics.com/nd3-sub-zero-laser-designator_hunting.aspx

oneshot onekill
July 7, 2012, 10:15 PM
For accuracy? The best is made by GA Precision. I believe it's called. GAP-10.

mohr308
July 7, 2012, 10:32 PM
I own the RRA Elite operator in the 5.56, nothing but an awesome rifle. My good friend owns a Armalite ar-10 and it has been nothing but problems for him right off the shelf. His rifle spent 3 weeks back at the factory just to get it working. Oh yeah, his rifle has a lot of slop between the upper and lower receiver and my RRA is nice and snug. He told me he is going to buy an RRA in .308 and sell his Armalite. :)

golfnutrlv
July 7, 2012, 10:45 PM
Consider one of these:

http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=25

I have had a chance to handle one of these, as they are made in the northwest. They are awesome. One of the best you can buy. The .308 version ways only slightly more than a AR-15. I was amazed by the light weight.

They take SR-25/Pmags, piston driven, and high quality.

Price wise, I have seen them around here in Eastern Wa for $2,189.

Enjoy,

hulley
July 8, 2012, 07:27 AM
I appreciate all the replies guys. I'm not going for ultimate accuracy, for that I would buy a bolt gun, but I do want an accurate rifle. Accurate enough for hunting and if I do some long distance target it will be purely for fun. I do have plans for a precision bolt gun but thats off in the distance. Its looking like a RRA LAR-8, flat top with a FF handguard.

riggins_83
July 8, 2012, 08:37 AM
Rock River Arms is my personal favorite. Only major downside are the FAL magazines they use!

confirmed shooter
July 8, 2012, 08:53 AM
go to www.pof.usa and you will find what you are looking for. mine is the 16" bbl, and shoots right with the armalite and dpms heavy bbl 308's at the 1000 yds man sized target. some of the parts in the POF are fore sale in the Blue Press, like trigger's and other stuff. good luck, CF:D

RangerHAAF
July 8, 2012, 11:32 AM
Good choice. They're well made and moderately priced. U won't be disappointed with performance plus there's no limit to the accessories that u can add.

robertsig
July 8, 2012, 04:08 PM
The PWS (http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=25) gets high marks.

bamaranger
July 9, 2012, 02:23 AM
DPMS is advertising a "lightweight hunter". I do not know if this is a new rifle or not, and I have not yet seen one in the flesh. Pics show a flat top, telestock and 16" bbl free floated (?) , no brake or flashhider, and swept, sleek looking gas block, all weighing in at a tad over7 lbs.

Looked sharp to me and the numbers ....length weight caliber, (except for price!) are appealing.

DAdams
July 9, 2012, 09:11 PM
http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=A10A4CBF&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=594408c2-b03e-4c8b-8713-83959df8252d

Upon completing exhaustive research....my selection.
I paid about 1400.
overall quality and reputation
Weight
Magazine flexibility
Price
Warranty

NWCP
July 10, 2012, 05:37 AM
Because of the poor interchangeability of parts I kept my M1A Super Match, the HK91 and my CZ550 FS .308's. The two semi autos are in the same price range as a quality AR style and the CZ bolt is the bargain of them all. If I were to get an AR style it would be HKs new M417. Very well made, reliable, accurate and priced about the same as any quality AR style .308. I may still get one just to have it.

I could sell off the Springfield M1A Super Match to do it, but then I would just find myself wanting another M1A. In .308 I prefer the M14 style over the AR. As for long range shooting I feel the M1A will reach out farther than the AR. I shoot mine out past 300 yards using the aperture sights rather than a scope. It shoots remarkably well. The .308 is a great round regardless the platform. If you enjoy wood and deep bluing don't even handle the 550 CZ FS. It's such a classic that you'll find yourself wanting one... at least I did. Good luck and enjoy whatever you may get.

DAdams
July 10, 2012, 11:49 AM
Don't forget to review the Colt offering.