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Amsdorf
May 22, 2012, 07:30 PM
This is a great old movie made to demonstrate the range of weapons available to the troops in the field during WWII: 1911, .30 Carbine, .30 Cal, and on up.

I worked on enhancing the audio and video. The audio was a kind of a mess, particularly in the beginning, but I did what I could.

Hope you like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuSOecA864o

Crosshair
May 22, 2012, 08:23 PM
I'll add it to my watch list. Be interesting to see how much propaganda is in it.

Amsdorf
May 23, 2012, 12:25 PM
Let us know what you identify as propaganda.

I noticed that they are assuming some really expert marksmanship skills in places.

indy1919
May 23, 2012, 02:18 PM
I will tell you the Propaganda that bothers me is the part that makes me want one of those BARS.. I kept going back to Ohio Ordnance web sight looking at their BARs.. and fondling the enter key by the buy icon..

Buzzcook
May 23, 2012, 02:35 PM
Nice video. They were a bit optimistic about the anti-tank weapons.

Amsdorf
May 23, 2012, 05:29 PM
I'd say the whole movie was a "bit optimistic."

I think one purpose of it was to instill a sense of confidence in the troops that their weapons were every bit the match for the "Master Race's" weapon systems.

Amsdorf
May 23, 2012, 05:30 PM
Dear Indy: May I say this? I hate you.

Now I know I'm going to be fondling the "buy" sequence as well.

Thanks a lot, bro.

:)

Crosshair
May 23, 2012, 08:12 PM
Let us know what you identify as propaganda.
There was one film on the MG42 where they tried to downplay it and make the BAR/1919 look better.

Still haven't gotten around to watching it.:o

bedbugbilly
May 23, 2012, 09:03 PM
indy - my father-in-law carried a BAR in North Africa and Italy - funny thing - he wasn't as excited about it as you guys are . . . :D :eek: :roll eyes: :)

Buzzcook
May 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
Lots of vets who fought in Europe weren't in love with the BAR. In the Pacific theater it was a different story, Marines and GIs liked the heck out of the BAR.

After the war FN flipped the BAR action over made it belt fed and added a quick change barrel. iirc it's the M-249 now.

Amsdorf
May 24, 2012, 01:01 PM
Thanks for sharing that, very interesting.

Why do you think vets in the ETO didn't like it whereas in the PTO they did?

kraigwy
May 24, 2012, 05:37 PM
Why do you think vets in the ETO didn't like it whereas in the PTO they did?

I suppose different fronts required different tactics. An example I know many WWII vets who fought in Europe that liked the Garand. Then I've met many, including my father who fought in the Pacific. The ones in the Pacific seemed to like the Carbine. The ones from Europe liked the Garand.

In the short range you have in the Jungles I can see where the Carbine would have the advantage over the Garand. In Europe it would be the opposite.

indy1919
May 24, 2012, 08:13 PM
One part of the film I did have a problem with is the guy with the 03 in the fox hole shooting at the tank vision slit to make the tank close down so to speak ..

Now I would not like to think my self a coward or someone to disobay orders.. BUUUUUUTTTTT I do not see myself shooting at a tank with a bolt action rifle.. Oh what they hay I do not see myself shooting at a tank with a semi auto rifle either..

That is kinda like taking a wiz on Mike Tyson's shoe and waiting for a reaction

kraigwy
May 24, 2012, 08:27 PM
Don't know, a division of paratroopers (that being light infantry) held off three armored divisions at Bastogne with not much more then those guys in that clip. They did pretty good with what they had.


I remember when I went through the Infantry Officers Basic Course. We went though what was called a tank confidence course where we got in fox holes while a M-60 parked on top, spun around a bit, then we jumped up and shot it in the ass with a LAW as it drove off.

Amsdorf
May 24, 2012, 08:31 PM
"Tank confidence course"

Awesome.

BlueTrain
May 25, 2012, 07:31 AM
I remember seeing a training film when I went through basic training at Fort Knox in 1965 that was a WWII British film. It was about tactics in the field.

Amsdorf
May 25, 2012, 12:29 PM
Interesting they would show/use a British film.

BlueTrain
May 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Yeah, well, it was barely 20 years old at the time.

armsmaster270
May 25, 2012, 04:48 PM
My uncle was a Glider Pilot in Europe (3 Campaigns} he was issued a 30 carbine and the first thing he did was leave it with a dead soldier and take the Garand.

Old Grump
May 25, 2012, 05:10 PM
BAR's on the range are fun to shoot but only got to do that once. Mostly you just carried the damn thing and it was always up hill, that hill way over there to be exact. There was something about it that caused it to double in weight every 10 minutes or so.

Amsdorf
May 25, 2012, 06:20 PM
Thanks for sharing, but from what I've read from vets in the ETO, there was nothing more comforting to them than when they heard the good old BAR opening up.

Old Grump
May 26, 2012, 10:17 AM
BAR gunners also took the pressure off the rest of their unit because they became the focal point of fire from the enemy forces.

Winchester_73
May 26, 2012, 10:44 AM
Amsdorf,

Thank you very much for your efforts with this video and the others. Many will learn from your time sacrificed editing these videos. I am glad people still care about and still care to do such things.

Amsdorf
May 26, 2012, 03:03 PM
Thanks, I enjoy doing it and I'm glad some folks find them helpful.

TX Hunter
May 26, 2012, 08:08 PM
Our Millitary has alwayse had good weapons, back then, and still today. For that I am thankfull. I want our Servicemen, to be well armed, and to be able to come home safe. God Bless our US Millitary !!!!!

Tom68
May 29, 2012, 11:01 AM
Kraigwy, funny thing is that I told my kids about that experience at Ft. Benning yesterday...seems they didn't believe I had ever been ran over by a tank. only difference was I used an AT-4 instead of a LAW, and we did it while in 11B AIT....for some reason it wasn't on the schedule during my IOBC.