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Irish B
May 20, 2012, 02:05 AM
Well if any of you know me you know you know I live in a black where bears visit daily. Theres been a new bear coming around lately. Tonight I had the dogs out in the pen when they started barking historically. My GSD barks at everything under the sun but the only time by husky hybrid ever barks or huffs is when a bear is around. So I grab the big flashlight and the .357 and go get them. I looked around and saw nothing so I let the dogs out to come inside. What I didn't know was the bear was on the side of my house and after hearing me decided to walk over to the front of the house behind me to check things out. As soon as I let the dogs out the blast past me and attack the bear. I call them off and put them into the house and start to yell at the bear to chase him off away from my house when he stops, turns around, and charges at me huffing and chomping. I fired a shot into the ground and he stopped dead in his tracks and turned around and ran away. After hearing the shot my wife ran out with the shotgun and dogs. I have never fired my 357 without hearing protection but let me tell you a 180 gr buffalo bore leaves you deaf for five minutes. Very weird behavior for this young bear who was maybe 2 or 3 years old and maybe 200 lbs max. I usually end up with 4 or 5 good bear stories by the end of the summer. This was only just second time ever being full on charged at close range. Really gets the heart pumping.

mete
May 20, 2012, 02:26 AM
Huffing and chomping = full charge or false charge ??

fatwhiteboy
May 20, 2012, 10:33 AM
I liked the part with the wife coming out with a shotgun. Hang on to her. And don't <do anything to make her mad> ...

Manson
May 20, 2012, 12:28 PM
Glad you're OK Irish. Glad it didn't turn out ugly. And +1 for the above comment. It's good to have back up with a shotgun.

CWKahrFan
May 20, 2012, 01:23 PM
Good story. Thanks for telling...

LockedBreech
May 20, 2012, 01:41 PM
I'm also going to tip my hat to the lady with a shotgun. It's the right kind of girl that fights beside her guy.

Glad you're alright!

Edward429451
May 20, 2012, 01:42 PM
Wow, now you have to take her out for backing you up! That was super cool! :)

Colorado Redneck
May 20, 2012, 09:48 PM
Great read! Maybe the dogs got the bear all adrenalined up and he was a shade on the dumb side. If something gets me wound up my judgement can get fairly dicey too. Most black bears are reported to be chickens and really likely to vamoose if approached.

dabluesguy
May 21, 2012, 01:57 AM
When I was a river guide in the Rogue River wild and scenic section we would have encounters with black bears nearly every night. One night a bear woke me up when he was carrying my 96 quart ice chest away. Our group jumped up and threw rocks at him until he dropped it and swam across the river. Of course most of these black bears were Yogi types. They just want the pic-a-nic basket. We were always armed but never had to fire on one.

Edward429451
May 21, 2012, 02:34 AM
Well then it wasn't Yogi, it was Boo Boo. :D

Double Naught Spy
May 21, 2012, 08:17 AM
Huffing and chomping = full charge or false charge ??
Apparently such behaviors are not indicative of intent to harm and so would indicate the charge to most likely be a false charge. False bear chages include charging and then reversing direction and also charging past what they were charging and often continuing away.

Huffing and chomping are indicative of the bear being scared.
http://www.bearsmart.com/resources/north-american-bears/communication

or is being threatening (and likely scared)
http://www.bearbiology.com/fileadmin/tpl/Downloads/URSUS/Vol_3/Jordan_Vol_3.pdf

...not considered threat behavior...
http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/black-bear/communication/62-harmless-bluster.html

...used with a false charge to help keep from being attacked...
http://web.mac.com/benjaminkilham/Site/Understanding_Bear_Behavior.html

...bluffing
http://www.bearstudy.org/website/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=54

...more about not being a real threat and/or being scared
http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/black-bear/bears-a-humans/47-what-does-steve-herrero-say-about-mothers-defending-cubs.html

rickyrick
May 21, 2012, 10:07 AM
If you saw the handles off of the cooler, the bears cant pick them up to carry off.:p

mete
May 21, 2012, 10:37 AM
00 Spy. that's always been my problem , no one believes me !:(

MLeake
May 21, 2012, 10:51 AM
mete and DNS, I don't think the problem is with people believing you, I think it's simply a matter of "what if?"

As in, if I assume the bear will really try to complete the charge, and I am ready to deal with that prospect, I am probably better off than if I assume (because statistics so indicate) that he is probably bluffing, and he turns out to be in earnest.

It is arguably more dangerous to assume a bluff.

Double Naught Spy
May 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
mete and DNS, I don't think the problem is with people believing you, I think it's simply a matter of "what if?"

As in, if I assume the bear will really try to complete the charge, and I am ready to deal with that prospect, I am probably better off than if I assume (because statistics so indicate) that he is probably bluffing, and he turns out to be in earnest.

It is arguably more dangerous to assume a bluff.

Trying to clear up what wasn't unclear again?

I made no statements about people believing me and made no statements about the danger level. mete was trying to find out if the charge was real or not and I provided insight into what the behaviors indicate. This was an after-the-fact assessment, not a what-if predictive assessment. If the bear was determined to get Irish B., then the warning shot would not have made any difference and quite possibly, shots in the bear would not have mattered either as the bear would have continued until he dropped. The bear's behaviors and the lack of follow through on the charge indicate that it was a bluff or false charge.

Nobody has suggested not being ready to deal with a problem. Nobody has suggested that the indicated behaviors were absolute for determining what they mean. Nobody has suggested that a bear can't change its mind. It would be stupid to pull a Timothy Treadwell and not exercise appropriate precautions. Irish B obviously didn't pull a Timothy Treadwell, and he did make sure the bear didn't change his mind by firing a warning shot. I have pointed out several times that even brief physical contact with bears can result in serious injury and hospitalization.

FrontSight
May 21, 2012, 02:47 PM
Wow, heck of a story! And a good wife & dogs, too!

mete
May 22, 2012, 08:50 AM
Here's a bear attacking my friend ! :p

amprecon
May 23, 2012, 12:27 PM
I have never fired my 357 without hearing protection but let me tell you a 180 gr buffalo bore leaves you deaf for five minutes.

The very reason I don't own a .357 anymore. Caught a wild pig out in the open once in California, we had shotguns but only had bird shot. I had my GP100 and unloaded on it. Needless to say, my ears rang for a good while after that.

My go to gun for everything handguns is my Glock 21 in .45acp, 13 rounds of that ought to solve most problems, even bears.

The only revolver I own now is a 4" S&W Model 10 with 158gr. LSWC and I feel plenty confident with it.

hogdogs
May 23, 2012, 05:19 PM
Here is what I hear 24/7/365...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u_8Qg1npAM

It is loud enuff to drown out baying dogs less than 100 yards into the woods...

It drowns out, nearly completely, the ceiling fan with a wobble and noise I used to rely on to help me fall asleep... Now I have to have the TV on for at least 1.5 hours as I am also insomniac that I may need that much time to finally fall asleep deeply enuff that the ringing don't wake me when the timer cuts off the tv...
Never tried to protect my ears from gunfire, explosives, un-muffled engine noise etc...

Once you damage them... it is too late...


Brent

FrontSight
May 24, 2012, 10:50 AM
I fired a few rounds of .460 S&W w/o hearing protection once while hunting...my left ear rang for 7 friggin months. Then one day it just stopped.

I guess the nerve ending (hair?) either died, or it healed. They used to think hearing damage was permanent, but they discovered about a decade or so ago that it actually can heal.

Either way, never...ever...ever...again...ever!!

doofus47
May 24, 2012, 11:32 AM
Huffing and chomping = full charge or false charge

don't want to make that choice: I'm not good at multiple choice guessing. You're only allowed to make that mistake once.

Glad you're ok, Irish. I think you had a good plan a by taking the .357.

Probably the bear was as jacked up on adrenaline as you were after the dogs took off after it, so who is to say what what going through its head.

Hopefully, he'll just remember that your place is one frightening, dangerous place.

dwright1951
May 24, 2012, 03:30 PM
Good for you, hope that taught the bear not to mess with humans or their stuff, thats what they do for habituated bears hope it works. Back when I got out of college no one wore hearing protection, I lived out in the woods (nearest neighbor over 2 miles) so I set up a shooting range off our carport (concrete block house with 2 car stalls open front and back) I had just started to get into large pistols (.357, 41mag, 44mag and 45 long colt, worst was 30 carbine single action) and I shot rain or shine. When it rained I got under the carport. That was 36 years ago and the constant buzzing is still with me. Now I use something whenever I shoot (except when hunting).

Scorch
May 24, 2012, 05:03 PM
Brent, I know I can rely on you to find the interesting stuff. Yes, that is almost exactly the sound I hear 24/7. It started when I fired my 357 without ear protection. Or was it the 45 ACP? Or the 22-250? Maybe the 7mm or the 8mm. Probably not the 243, I was using ear protection by then. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the 357 Herrett or the 44 Mag, they gave me headaches even with ear protection. Anyway, you get the idea, use ear protection before it's too late.

hogdogs
May 25, 2012, 12:46 PM
Scorch, In my laptop and remote speakers, I tune down volume to about 1/3rd to equal my level in my ears...

I showed it to wifey to give her an idea of what I mean by "ringing ears" as she had no idea... When I got it dialed in, her jaw dropped and she looked at me like I was a sorrowful car hit puppy dog... and said... "You poor thing...":D

The first time I really rang them good, it was with grammas .30-06 deer rifle.

I was far shorter than the rifle I remember...

Brent

BIGR
May 25, 2012, 10:58 PM
Glad you are alright and having a good wife that can handle a shotgun is a plus. You think that .357 was loud, you should hear one go off in a small 175 sqaure foot building....:eek:

hogdogs
May 25, 2012, 11:12 PM
you should hear one go off in a small 175 sqaure foot building....
...A METAL ONE...

Done it in metal Sears type shed or slightly larger a few times with .410 and rimfires... Once with a 9mm.

Brent

youngunz4life
May 25, 2012, 11:34 PM
I could be wrong and would love to be corrected or hear more info from an expert or someone with experience due to incidents and/or where they were raised but:

from what I understand you can survive a bear attack by charging if charged and/or standing your ground raising your hands and going toe to toe with a bear. this is the oxymoron here....the chances of being able to have the guts, grit, and courage to do this with a growling mouth open bear is something that seems Near Impossible to me, but from what I understand you can survive if you do it??????? obviously running your dead especially if a startled bear starts charging and a little better but not what I like is huddling and playing dead? yes, if attacked it is definitely better to not resist and shut up...I give serious credit to someone who can not yelp in pain and take it til he/her stops, but is going toe to toe the truth?????? even if it was you can't flinch at all and you are a better man than me if you can do it(I'm talking face to face....not at a distance with a bear just looking at you

hogdogs
May 25, 2012, 11:44 PM
Now, I don't know about all that... I would have to test that a few times with some guards with big dern guns in case it didn't work...:eek:

Other wise, I am soilin' drawers while doin' whatever my and mind conger up in that instant...

Brent

MarkDozier
May 26, 2012, 02:01 AM
"From what I understand you can survive a bear attack by charging if charged and/or standing your ground raising your hands."
You are partly right but your thought is incomplete. When a bear is meanacing it will raise up on it hind legs. IT is at that time you would be doing the same thing as the bear. Raise your arms and yell loudly at the bear to make yourself seem bigger then you are. Bears are not real confrontational and would rather run off then fight unless cubs are involved or they are really hungry and you are between them and their food.

Double Naught Spy
May 26, 2012, 09:15 AM
When a bear is meanacing it will raise up on it hind legs

They will also do this when they are curious.

jgcoastie
May 26, 2012, 09:50 AM
Rule #9: If someone thinks they have the upper hand; break it.

Fight. Always fight. Whether its a bluff charge or a real one the bear, to a certain degree, believes they have the upper hand. In all actuality, they do. So break their will to fight. It's not terribly difficult if the bear is not intent on eating you... A little yelling and posturing will normally send the curious/bluffing bear on its way.

If the bear is intent on eating you, well... You don't have many options. Fight or flight, and you can't outrun it. So fight.

The key to any encounter with any creature intent on doing you harm is to break their will to fight. Sometimes you do that by killing it, other times you put up enough of a fight that they move on to an easier target. In either case, you will likely not come out the other side of the encounter unscathed.

Scorch
May 28, 2012, 12:35 AM
You think that .357 was loud, you should hear one go off in a small 175 sqaure foot building....
You should hear a 7mm go off inside a pickup cab! Do you have any idea how bright it gets for just an instant?

stevelyn
May 28, 2012, 02:31 AM
who was maybe 2 or 3 years old and maybe 200 lbs max

The young ones are nearly always the troublemakers as they have only been recently booted from the sow and aren't quite up to functioning on their own like the older bears do. As a result they sometimes take the easy way and head toward populated areas.



When a bear is meanacing it will raise up on it hind legs

Most often they do this because are trying to see better. If they drop down on all fours and drop their head a charge is imminent. Stand your ground.