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March 23, 2012, 11:18 AM
What is the biggest game you would shoot with a 17hmr, or with a 22mag?
March 23, 2012, 11:25 AM
The only thing I used my 22 mag for was squirrel hunting. I set it up shooting eggs at 100 yards. My ratt terrier would run the squirrel up the tree then when the squirrel turned back around to chatter at my dog I'd put a cci through it's neck.
March 23, 2012, 02:00 PM
Depends on the range yada yada.
Anything 50 pounds and under.
March 23, 2012, 02:49 PM
My uncle used to use a .22 mag for coyote and raccoon's. He was good to about 100 yards but he was a heck of a shot with it.
March 23, 2012, 03:26 PM
I've never understood the benefit of hunting with either of them. If it is small game I'm hunting, the standard .22LR kills them just as dead and costs a fraction of what .22Mag and .17HMR costs to shoot. If it is bigger than true small game, then I'll pull out a centerfire caliber. I just can't see the niche benefit of either caliber.
March 23, 2012, 05:19 PM
For me, a coyote would be the largest, and even then, fairly close in. 50 or 75 yards, maybe, I dunno.
March 23, 2012, 07:38 PM
I shoot the following: raccoon, coyote and like sized game - 100yds max for .22WMR and 17HMR.
Anything bigger gets a centerfire cartridge. Anything smaller (rabbits, squirrels etc.) and I scale down to .22lr (and if we're really close even .22short).
All varmints that end up in my traps around the garden, coop and house leave by way of a single .22short from my Single Six.
March 24, 2012, 03:47 AM
A deer if its all I had and I never understood getting one either. They are both rather expensive and a 22 LR will do everything both of them will do and alot cheaper. I dont know maybe its just me.
March 24, 2012, 04:59 AM
fox or similar. the 17 and 22mag have there place. 22 starts to lose its sting at about 80m or so. 17hmr is a deadly accurate rabbit/ fox gun to 150m or so. great caliber. i didn't see there worth either till i tried one, defiantly worth a look :)
March 24, 2012, 11:26 AM
If it were legal, I'd consider taking deer with my 22 MAG. Brain shot at distances out to 75 yards or so would be lethal. But I'm a lawful sportsman and will not hunt deer with a banned rimfire cartridge such as 22MAG. It comes down to ethics and sportsmanship.
22MAG hits like a little grenade and kills far better than mere paper charts would suggest. Very deadly on coyotes, turkeys, etc.
March 24, 2012, 01:54 PM
Coyote,groundhog & beaver mostly.And once or twice a year a Gator would be the biggest thing but only to finish him off.
March 24, 2012, 02:18 PM
If you watch the show, Swamp People, we learn that the .22 LR is the universal round for dispatching grumpy alligators. Now, skins are important to those hunters and they're killed at bad-breath distance, but all those folks wouldn't use that caliber if it weren't effective.
March 24, 2012, 05:38 PM
And people are talking about killing animals humanly and ethical? Coyotes with a 22 mag??? Yes it will, it will also kill elephants too but after a coyote runs off and dies 20 minutes later. For coyotes I like a 223 or bigger. But I'd have to question a 22 mag 9 out of 10 shots.
March 24, 2012, 07:15 PM
The Great Ross Seyfried said he used the .22mag on game up to 50 lbs. I cannot argue with that. Range is its enemy though. Past 125 yards it becomes the same as a 22lr at 40 yards. I've killed quite a few things with my automag II and I just adore that cartridge for hunting small game.
March 24, 2012, 08:39 PM
A .22 Mag on a coyote for a head shot within the accuracy distance of the rifle oughta ruin Wily pretty much right then and there. I'd stay close to my 50-yard comment, though...
March 24, 2012, 10:44 PM
yes a 22 mag would do a number to wiley with a head shot, humane kill? most of the times not but yes it would drop one. also how many people would make a head shot also at 50 yards? even a 22 lr would ruin wileys day at 100 yards also. Not saying you cant do a number on animals with that small caliber but just stating a 22 lr can really do the same and then we are also back and fourth about being humane or not. what is a box of 22 mag bullets run now? around 12 dollars or so, and same for the 17 and 22 lr bullets are around 2.50 or 3 dollars? I will continue to shoot the 22 lr. Sorry OP for getting off track!
March 24, 2012, 11:07 PM
The .22 mag will kill smaller varmint sized animals much more decisively than the .22 lr. I've shot big Texas jackrabbits with .22 lr's in nearly every kind of situation you can imagine, and believe it is marginal for them. I've seen many big jacks take multiple hits and keep on moving, sometimes up to 100yds.
I have also shot them with a moderate load in the .22 Hornet, which should be slightly better than the hottest .22 magnum loads. The Hornet just slaps em down, leaving a half-dollar sized hole out the back side.
I wouldn't hesitate to use the mag on a coyote, out to 50, maybe 75 yards. To say the .22 lr will do anything the mag will do is just wrong, in my opinion, of course.
March 24, 2012, 11:47 PM
Cotote/javelina/bobcat, choosing shots carefully. I stepped up to a 22 Hornet as a minimum caliber for these game though. 22mag is too big for small game but light for bigger stuff. Capable, but light. In my experience anyway. I killed my first coyote with a 22 mag. ~75 yards in the neck, did the trick.
March 24, 2012, 11:58 PM
Yes I'd shoot a coyote with a 22 lr even at 100 yards. I probably killed more whitetail than most and killed many out to 100 yards with a 22 lr and hit in the head they went down instantly. Not dead, just paralyzed them until I cut their throats. But yes it did get them.
March 25, 2012, 12:18 AM
coyote is the biggest thing i would shoot with a .22 mag. I don't own a .17 HMR but I don't like hunting anything other than squirrels with those small calibers. I ground hog hunt with a .223 and my normal coyote gun is my 30-30 lever action. The small caliber guns are deadly and not a toy by any means but I just prefer to use them to kill empty can, paper and the odd rodent. Leave the serious hunting for the bigger calibers. No point in risking wounding an animal if you don't have to.
March 25, 2012, 10:51 AM
Coons, possums, armadillos, little bitty birds. Use enough gun!! Diplomatic I ain't. Goat
March 25, 2012, 10:51 AM
I have shot several hogs up to about 160lbs. with a 22Mag.
My buddy using a 22lr we scraped the bullets of the side of its head that just broke the skin & flattened out.
IMO the 22LR. does not match the killing power of the 22mag or the 17HMR. Really not even close.
AS for price, if you cant afford the ammo You cant afford the rifle.
March 26, 2012, 01:40 AM
I've killed several hundred cows, bulls, and pigs with a .22 mag. But that was nearly point blank when I worked at a meat shop. May not be the answer you're looking for but a .22 mag is very effective at killing even very large bulls
March 26, 2012, 03:40 PM
What I would "shoot" with one is liable to be a longer list than what I willd HUNT with one. Case in point I'd never take a rimfire coyote hunting but I'll dang well shoot one given about any opprotunity with any thing I have with me. Also, the list of what I'd "shoot" with one is gonna look very similer to a .22lr.
Shoot = coyotes on down
Hunt = coon on down.
March 26, 2012, 06:52 PM
I know that bullets lose power the further they go, so I dont want to maime the animals. I usually just plink up a storm. I have a shotgun I varmint hunt with, slugs out far(ish) and #4 buck up close. I hunt dense brush, so not too many long shots. Just wondering what is a clean kill, not just a "well, I hit it, so it will probably die" shot. Even coyotes and coons deserve a quick, clean kill.
March 27, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nothing larger than a coyote at 50 yards
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