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hoytinak
March 15, 2012, 08:04 AM
Got a co-worker that has a Russian M44 that looks like it's in really good condition save a couple scratches/marks on the stock. You can tell it's been used but not much, the rifling/bore looks good......what's it worth?

The reason I ask is he doesn't shoot it and I've got 8 boxes of Hornady LeveRevolution .30-30 ammo that I don't need as I don't have a .30-30 anymore and he asked if I'd trade the ammo for his M44. I thought about putting the ammo for sale on a local forum but I think a M44 would be fun to play with as I've never shot a Mosin Nagant of any kind.

TX Hunter
March 15, 2012, 10:38 AM
good trade the rifle is worth about 200 dollars.

Te Anau
March 15, 2012, 01:06 PM
You'll love the M44,just get some surplus ammo & clean after shooting it as the ammo is corrosive.

the rifleer
March 15, 2012, 01:44 PM
I would gladly trade my m44 for 8 boxes of ammo and a 30-30 rifle. M44's are getting harder to find, but I don't feel they are worth $200. I paid 75 for mine about 4 years ago. I know they have gone up a bit, but even in excellent shape I don't think they are worth more than $150.

raftman
March 15, 2012, 01:50 PM
I'd certainly make that trade if I were you. $200 isn't unreasonable for an M44, depending on region and condition. AIM Surplus got a bunch of them in just a few months ago, priced them at $250 each, they have sold out long since.

Mosinka
March 17, 2012, 05:50 AM
Below are photos of two friends of mine shooting MY Mosin-Nagant M44. I paid $150 for it a few months ago at a gun show. Where do you find excitement like THAT for $150? The ammo is very inexpensive as well. Spam cans of Soviet surplus 7.62x54R with 440 rounds for about $80. Sorry, but I cannot resist an opportunity to share these awesome photos of the classic M44 muzzle flash.

I recently paid $175 for a Mosin M91/59 with a barrel that appears flawless.

The bore is a bit rough on this M44 of mine, so I suggest being very cautious and examining the barrel with great care. All my other Mosin's have great looking bores. The WWII era 91/30's that are being sold typically for $99 (one store here in Kentucky has them on sale for $79.99) tend to have nice barrels. This one is a bit rough, but the rifling is okay, and it shoots fine.

As for the exchange, it depends upon its worth to YOU. You have 8 boxes of ammo that YOU CANNOT USE. What is THAT worth? You MIGHT find a 1944 Mosin for less than $200, and you might NOT. They're far more difficult to find than 91/30's. The carbines are all more difficult to find. $150-200 is typical. A really nice one for $200 seems not out of the question. I mean, just LOOK what people pay for rifles these days. The Mosin-Nagant is something more than a rifle. It is history. I love my Mosin-Nagants.

Does your friend have any ammo to throw in with this to sweeten the deal a bit? If he has some 7.62x54R to toss in with that M44 (say, 200 rounds?), then GRAB it. But examine the barrel for pitting from the corrosive primers of the milsurp ammo. Even at an even swap, I don't think you'll ever regret trading ammo you do not need for one of the finest rifles ever made.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm


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Te Anau
March 17, 2012, 09:05 AM
^^^^^^ you gotta love the fireball coming out of an M44 using heavy ball!
:D

hoytinak
March 18, 2012, 04:07 AM
Well, I made the swap tonight....plus he had 3 1/2 boxes of ammo with it as well!! I'll post a couple quick pics tomorrow....after I'm done fondling it. :D Looking forward to shooting this thing as I've never fired a 7.62x54r before.

Next question....where's the best place to order a couple cans of ammo for this thing?

TX Hunter
March 18, 2012, 07:47 AM
Congratulations you did excelent on that trade. For your ammo there are many sources but if you want a bulk can Ammunition to go has them. Good luck and enjoy. Ammunitiontogo.com

TX Hunter
March 18, 2012, 07:48 AM
Congratulations you did excelent on that trade. For your ammo there are many sources but if you want a bulk can Ammunition to go has them. Good luck and enjoy.WWW.Ammunitiontogo.com Sorry I double Posted and had to edit.:D

Mosinka
March 18, 2012, 10:18 AM
Here is another good source to consider:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/ammo-rifle-762x54r.aspx?c=96&s=954&stk=1&d=121

I've been quite happy with the service I've received from Sportsman's Guide.

Te Anau
March 18, 2012, 11:40 AM
http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=40&name=7.62x54R
:)

hoytinak
March 18, 2012, 10:21 PM
So I've lost my camera but yall seen M44s before....anyways, thanks for the ammo links.

Next question.....the sights. I don't want to scope it but would like a decent set of sights for it. Does anyone make a peep style sight for it? What would be yalls recommendations for a good set of sights?

Mosinka
March 18, 2012, 11:48 PM
In my opinion, there's nothing better than those original sights.

essohbe
March 19, 2012, 12:05 AM
Trade for the ammo - yes.
Buy on it's own? No. For a little more than $200 you can have a Finn...

amx4080
March 19, 2012, 07:25 AM
Finn M39 prices are closer to $275 than $200. Here's data:

GunStockMarket M39 Listings
(http://www.gunstockmarket.net/search.php?firearm=1&listings=Both&searchwords=M39&excludewords=91%2F30+M44+M38+%2F35+%2F59&qstitle=Mosin%20Nagant:%20Finnish%20M39)

GunStockMarket M39 Sales Report (http://www.gunstockmarket.net/sales.php?firearm=1&searchwords=M39&excludewords=91/30%20M44%20M38%20/35%20/59&qstitle=Mosin%20Nagant:%20Finnish%20M39)

M44s have been slowing trending up.

GunStockMarket M44 Listings (http://www.gunstockmarket.net/search.php?firearm=1&listings=Both&searchwords=M44&excludewords=91%2F30+M38+%2F35+%2F59&qstitle=Mosin%20Nagant:%20M44)

But are closer to $200 on average.

GunStockMarket M44 Sales Report (http://www.gunstockmarket.net/sales.php?firearm=1&searchwords=M44&excludewords=91/30%20M38%20/35%20/59&qstitle=Mosin%20Nagant:%20M44)

sc928porsche
March 19, 2012, 01:02 PM
j&gsales.com also has ammo for sale and they are probably a bit closer to you. They are located in Prescott AZ. Google them and you can order online.

shaunpain
March 19, 2012, 06:13 PM
You did the right thing here. I have a full size 91/30 and it's just, honestly, the funnest thing in the world to let rip. Bolt guns are fun, and when they come in a cartridge as stout as a 54r, you can't go wrong. It's a no BS gun that runs like a champ and will take any breathing creature on this planet. Mind your bore when shooting the corrosive stuff. I clean mine every time it's fired. I figure, it was built in 1942, so I better keep it up to snuff.

The only accessory missing in this trade is the joy of cleaning up the cosmoline! Wowee!!

emcon5
March 19, 2012, 06:43 PM
Next question....where's the best place to order a couple cans of ammo for this thing?

There may be some place in Texas, but I think the closest may be SGAMMO in Oklahoma. http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x54r

bedidin
March 19, 2012, 09:31 PM
I was thinking about a 90/31. I found one locally for under $100. Assuming everything's in working order and the bore is clean, about how accurate are they and about how far out? Are they useful for anything other than having a good time?

Mosinka
March 19, 2012, 10:32 PM
The 91/30 is what I had first. It's the first major revision of the rifle after the original 1891 hex receiver style. The $80-$100 91/30s coming into the country now (in large numbers) tend to have perfect bores from what I have seen (easy to check by removing the bolt). They shoot really well and are accurate. If the front sight is off side to side, do NOT adjust it with a hammer and punch. Use a tool designed for the job or a "C" clamp. Most will be WWII vintage (1938-1944). They're great shooters. The 1891 Mosin Nagant had a 31" barrel. The 91/30 has a 28½ inch barrel. I have bought several from the place below, and a friend of mine in California ordered three from them. He was very satisfied. I was able to hand pick mine. Thinking of going back for a case of 'em.

http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm/id/51889/name/ati-mosin-nagant-m9130-rifle-762x54r-28.7

Tempest 455
March 20, 2012, 09:02 AM
https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/M44_Fireball.jpg

Mosinka
March 20, 2012, 10:22 AM
Holy crap!!! Nice picture, Tempest.
That IS a tempest. A tempest of fire!!!

Kreyzhorse
March 20, 2012, 07:14 PM
You'll love shooting that gun Hoyt. Pretty simiiliar to shoot a .308 or a 30.06. I'd put some down range before I messed with the sights. I think you'll get you'll like them if you give them a chance.

emcon5
March 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
I was thinking about a 90/31. I found one locally for under $100. Assuming everything's in working order and the bore is clean, about how accurate are they and about how far out? There is a luck involved, an average one is probably a 2 MOA gun with good handloads, maybe less. With cheap surplus ammo, a little more. The sights are graduated to 2000 meters, so if you ever find yourself in the position to do area fire on a formation of Fascists, you are all set.

Are they useful for anything other than having a good time?

Well, there was that whole "World War" thing, ;) They are ballistically similar to .30-06, so in theory anything you can do with one you can do with the other.

Don P
March 20, 2012, 07:55 PM
Ammo from these places
www.the-armory.com
www.classicarms.us
www.buymilsurp.com

Tempest 455
March 20, 2012, 08:22 PM
Here is how accurate my M44 is (indoor pic above) at 100 yards w/ Mojo sight using 147G Russian surplus.

https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/1DSCN7559.JPG

shaunpain
March 20, 2012, 10:28 PM
There are oodles (the scientific term, I think :)) of gun owners that view their Mosins as a great end-of-days rifle. They are built like tanks and very simple to use and operate. The only thing you shouldn't fiddle with is the safety. It isn't "safe". Only load that gun up if you intend to fire it.

TX Hunter
March 21, 2012, 04:23 PM
Whats wrong with the safety ? Its difficult to operate but seems to be positive.

shaunpain
March 22, 2012, 07:44 AM
I remember having read about something like the safety can bang down on the bolt too hard or something and cause the pin to slam forward. I can't confirm this, and it might not even be true, but I remember it enough that I just don't use it. Either way, if the gun needed to be at the ready in an instant, I think the 60 seconds it takes you to put the gun into kill would make it plenty unsafe! Also, the gentleman that runs http://7.62x54r.net/ wrote that he pinched a nerve trying to disengage the safety that has caused him permanent damage.

TX Hunter
March 22, 2012, 08:40 AM
I use the safety on mine, but will keep in mind what you told me. And as usual keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction.

Tempest 455
March 22, 2012, 01:31 PM
My safety on a Mosin is to not chamber it until I'm ready to shoot. Otherwise a Timney trigger is a nice upgrade if you don't mind modifying the rifle.

Bamashooter
March 22, 2012, 05:07 PM
I know the safety isnt like most other safeties but its not hard to engage or disengage on any of my mosin's. They all work just fine. I dont see how it could cause permanent damage to someone. If the safety caused him damage I wonder what cycling the bolt has done.

hoytinak
March 22, 2012, 05:25 PM
Well, I still haven't got a chance to shoot it but I've completely stripped it down to get myself familiar with it and it's really simple. I didn't know it had a safety till I read this thread then looked into it. I don't think the safety has ever been on on this rifle as it's a PITA to get on/off.....think I'll just leave it off and keep the chamber empty till I ready to actually use it.

Mosinka
March 22, 2012, 06:24 PM
Yesterday, I was in a wonderful gun store, and I just HAPPENED to mention my love for the Mosin Nagant to the owner. He disappeared and came back with THIS, which he had just taken in trade:

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TX Hunter
March 23, 2012, 08:04 AM
Thats a Finnish M39, ive got one just like it and its a great shooter.

Mosinka
March 23, 2012, 09:50 AM
That's what I've been told, Hunter. I'm told that they are among the most accurate of all the Mosin Nagants. I am glad to have stumbled upon it. I have other Mosins, including several run of the mill 91/30's, an M44, and an M91/59.

Here in Kentucky, M91/30's are selling for as little as $80. There is also a variant of the M44, (which in reality is a "Chinese T53 carbine") that sells for $175 at the Kentucky Gun Company in Bardstown. At least these were the prices I saw on their last flyer.

TX Hunter
March 23, 2012, 04:30 PM
Thats a good price on the type 53 if its retail , whosale at SOG is 150.

Mosinka
March 23, 2012, 05:36 PM
Yes, that's retail.

http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1103630262533-112/2012+Spring+Ad+-+Email.pdf