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kinggabby
March 6, 2012, 10:15 AM
I have often on this forum and others as well people saying that they change their CC for different situations .This is something I don't get. How do you know what situation you are going to face? Going from a bad part of town to a good part so you carry something lighter or less ammo. Would it not be better to always be prepared for the worst . I will only use one example as to why changing CC methods is flawed logic. Sharon Tate and the and the others killed by Charles Manson and his so called family. Those killings were in "good neighborhoods". As for me I will carry the same if I were on the bad side of town or good side and even if I am in a Church . That way I not only keep in a rhythm but I always am as prepared as I can possibly be . Just my opinion .

BRE346
March 6, 2012, 10:29 AM
I'm with you, KingGabby.

In south Texas here, I don't change my way of dress very often, so there is certainly no need for a different hoster or carry.. If I have to dress up too much I'll have some little gun I've yet to buy.

BlueTrain
March 6, 2012, 11:31 AM
I'd say a carry method would depend on other factors more than the ones mentioned. Let's say you do a lot of driving. No pocket carry for you and you might not like a small of the back carry either. Do a lot of sitting behind a desk? Different methods. Spend lots of time in the woods wit a pack on your back? Even more methods--and be careful you don't lose anything while you're out there.

Personally, because of what I've read here, I no longer attend church because you can never tell what will happen. In fact, because it seems like there's no place more dangerous than home (except church, that is), I stay away from home as much as possible.

barstoolguru
March 6, 2012, 11:42 AM
Everyone sees things different so this is no different. I feel you should carry every day the same way. In a high stress situation you don't want to think about where you are carrying that day. Consistency is the best way to go, find what is comfortable and work it

BarryLee
March 6, 2012, 11:55 AM
Well, for me the activities that I plan to participate in or the type of dress has a big impact on what I carry. For instance if I am dressing in a more formal manner I carry a LCP instead of a .45 SIG. If I go for a short hike I may carry a small .38, but if I plan to spend time in a more rural area I may pack the 10mm. I suppose I could use the SIG P220 for all situations, but then how could I justify all my other guns? ;)

ClayInTx
March 6, 2012, 12:11 PM
I second barstoolguru.

I don’t want to have to think about what is the Carry of the Day if I need my gun.

icedog88
March 6, 2012, 12:17 PM
Activities sure can dictate. Unless you dress the same day in, day out and do the same activities. The last thing I want to do is be in my work clothes or jeans all day, everyday. If I'm lying around on the couch in my sweats, my girl asks me to go to the store, I am not taking sweats off, throwing my jeans with a belt on to carry my 1911. I will slip something in my coat pocket or something light enough where it won't drag my sweats down to "saggin" level!

I shoot pool. Hard to lean over and not to print at 4 o'clock strong side carry. P238 IWB at 2. Many different reasons.

Not sure about the neighborhood references though. :confused:

Sefner
March 6, 2012, 02:49 PM
Would it not be better to always be prepared for the worst . I will only use one example as to why changing CC methods is flawed logic.

Speaking of flawed logic. Using that logic I would be wearing body armor with trauma plates. But I can't because it's inconvenient and stupid.

If a gun gets uncomfortable or inconvenient to carry there is a risk that a person will stop carrying it due to this. So which would you rather compromise, the convenience and comfort of no extra mags and a smaller caliber or going totally unarmed?

I have two carry guns, one is much more concealable than the other. One is more comfortable for driving. One has more capacity, another is a larger caliber. I practice drawing with both of them. I've never had a problem with this. Having different guns for different situations is totally understandable to me. Now obviously there is a line where this is detrimental, but I don't see a problem.

Personally, because of what I've read here, I no longer attend church because you can never tell what will happen. In fact, because it seems like there's no place more dangerous than home (except church, that is), I stay away from home as much as possible.

:D:D:D:D Hahahaha good show, sir.

kinggabby
March 6, 2012, 04:21 PM
Speaking of flawed logic. Using that logic I would be wearing body armor with trauma plates. But I can't because it's inconvenient and stupid.

If a gun gets uncomfortable or inconvenient to carry there is a risk that a person will stop carrying it due to this. So which would you rather compromise, the convenience and comfort of no extra mags and a smaller caliber or going totally unarmed?

I have two carry guns, one is much more concealable than the other. One is more comfortable for driving. One has more capacity, another is a larger caliber. I practice drawing with both of them. I've never had a problem with this. Having different guns for different situations is totally understandable to me. Now obviously there is a line where this is detrimental, but I don't see a problem.I was not talking about changing guns due to comfort but situation. Also people who might change the amount of ammo they might carry due to where in town/city they might go.

BlueTrain
March 7, 2012, 06:56 AM
Let me just elaborate here on my earlier comments for just a minute. I was referring only to carry methods or positions, not to different guns. When thinking about this particular thread, I realized that the guns I acquired over the years tended, eventually, to all work the same way and to be pretty much the same size. And when making most of those purchases, I usually thought long and hard about other choices at the same time that were quite different but in the end, selected something not so different from what I already had or previously had owned. What I ended up with isn't so important here so much as the fact that I have apparently settled on a particular form of handgun.

The selection reflects, I suppose, my idea of what I think works best for me and also my idea that you ought to "made do" with it under any circumstances. However, I'll quickly admit that it's more of a subconscious thing than anything else. You just use certain things most of the time and find they work and then you just don't bother with anything else.

The troubling thing is that even so, there are lots of variations on the theme that I haven't tried out yet.

skoro
March 8, 2012, 07:34 AM
It's a very individual thing.

Each of us has to assess his situation and prepare accordingly.

Hansam
March 8, 2012, 07:55 AM
It definitely is an individual thing. I don't knock those who carry differently depending on their perception of how things will be so long as they carry period.

Personally I carry in the same place every time and all the time. From the first moment I'm dressed I'm carrying and carry till I undress to go to bed. That said I DO change my choice of guns to carry depending on what I'm wearing. In warm weather I go with a smaller gun for easier concealment. In cold weather I've got my 1911 on me all the time.

My reasoning is that I train myself to draw and shoot from the 3 and 4 o'clock positions the most. Every month I put 750 or so rounds through my guns drawing from those positions. I probably put another 250 rounds into my guns drawing from the 9 or 10 o'clock position (cross draw). So then carry in the position(s) I practice most in. I see no reason to stick the gun somewhere else and confuse my muscle memory.

Straightshooter629
March 8, 2012, 08:04 PM
It is hard for me to believe that you can carry the same way all of the time. I change my mode of carry based on my mode of dress, and that is dertermined by the activities that I have planned. My work dress is different from my church dress...my casual dress may be different from the way I dress when attending a social function...the way I dress watching a ball game is different than what I wear when I'm fishing. Your mode of carry has to be just as fluid as your choice of activities. When I carry my revolver, it's worn crossdraw, but there are times that I must ankle carry. When I carry my duty weapon, it's carried strong side. Saying that you always carry the same way all the time is like saying you only wear one pair of shoes for all occasions...just my veiwpoint and my opinion.

lefteye
March 12, 2012, 09:41 PM
While I generally agree with barstoolguru and ClayInTex, a Clark Long Slide may require different apparel than a Ruger LCP (and one's apparel should be appropriate for one's situation).

Hook686
March 12, 2012, 09:49 PM
I will only use one example as to why changing CC methods is flawed logic.

I do not think there is anything logical about carry a gun. I think carrying a gun is fear based. Fear ... an emotion. So if it feels good to Carry different equipment under different conditions, and I do so, what is your problem with my doing so ? Do as you choose. Allow me to do so also without throwing some gibberish about, 'Logic'.

Stooge
March 12, 2012, 10:03 PM
I'm with you Hook.

Hansam
March 12, 2012, 10:14 PM
It is hard for me to believe that you can carry the same way all of the time.

Well if you want to split hairs I carry one of two ways all the time. Its either at 3 o'clock OR at 4 o'clock depending on my clothing.

If I'm wearing formals (tuxedo) for a black tie dinner I'm carrying either 3 or 4 depending on how tight my pants are. If I'm going casual and I've got jeans on I've got it at 3 if I'm wearing a sweater or sweatshirt and at 4 if I've just got a light over shirt. Shorts, t-shirt and over shirt gets a smaller gun (Bersa UC 45) at 4 o'clock. If its cold I'm almost always wearing my 1911 at 3 o'clock.

Thus far I haven't found it necessary to diverge from those two carry positions.

Oh and yes I do have multiple pairs of shoes and multiple types of shoes. I don't wear the same shoes for every occasion.

m&p45acp10+1
March 13, 2012, 02:53 PM
I carry two ways. IWB at 9 o'clock. All carry guns have the same manual of arms, just different sizes. Also I pocket carry a back up gun instead of a reload. Sometimes I just pocket carry for convinence, and comfort. Especialy in the hot summers here. Tripple digit heat, with high humidity take thier toll quickly when you dress around a gun.

GlockedNLoded32
March 13, 2012, 03:15 PM
I carry a glock 32 in a Theis IWB Holster at the 4 O'Clock position and IWB mag hosleter at 11 o'clock position every time never fails comfortable while driving but i dont keep it holstered while i drive since its kinds hard to draw a firearm from the 4 oclock position when sitting with a seatbelt if i have to

Grant D
March 13, 2012, 03:18 PM
I started carrying a LCP in a ankle holster,but now carry it in a pocket holster in my hip pocket.That's on hot days in South Texas.If I'm wearing a loose shirt or shirt untucked I also carry, along with the LCP, one of five subbies or one of three 1911's at the eight o'clock position in a OWB holster,but who knows that may change also.I'm not so old that I forget what I'm carrying though.I hit what I'm shooting at with all my pistols, I practic practice practice.

miconoakisland
March 13, 2012, 10:40 PM
My carry methods have evolved over the last 15 years as my experience with handguns has evolved.

First it was big, reliable with decocker for a safety (Ruger P95).

Then it was smaller with a manual safety (Bersa Firestorm 380, among others of this type).

Then bigger caliber with no manual safety (XD40).

Then smaller with no safety (Kel Tec P3AT).

Then bigger caliber, not as big as .40 though, no safety, smaller package (Glock 26).

I've sold/traded all pistols with manual safeties and only have P3AT as a always on my person (running out to store/bathrobe/beltless/church/fine dining), G26 as always on with belt (except church/fine dining) and XD40 (travelling/between console & carseat/open carry when urge hits me/nightstand).

All 3 function exactly the same--point and shoot.

I don't adjust what I carry to what I may encounter in terms of threats--that's just a lotto/crapshoot--I carry what I can when I can where I can and how I can.

I may be in a tailored suit, shorts and t-shirt, khakis and polo, or buck naked in a bathrobe depending on whats called for at the time, but I'm always armed, comfortable and comforted.

Ryder
March 14, 2012, 01:36 AM
Transportation of a loaded firearm in an vehicle is concealed carry here. Vehicles are be the method I use to travel through danger zones. While I rarely go to such places the need does arise on occasion and you can bet I'm hauling along some serious backup artillery.

Deja vu
March 15, 2012, 02:24 PM
I am a social worker and I have to dress up and down depending on the situation. When I am at the Office I have to wear shirt/slacks and tie. When I am in the field I don't want to ruin my nice clothing so I wear Blue Jeans (or shorts in the summer) and a t-shirt and a loose unbuttoned shirt over that.

My primary CC weapon (S&W 640 in 357 magnum) is always carried the very same way. In the front right pocket. The only time I don't have this gun is when I am at the gym, it is too big and heavy for work out clothing. My back up is a 22short NAA mini that I wear on a neclase around my neck (It hides very well like that). I don't know how useful it would be but It is better than nothing I guess.

If I am going to a bad area (frequent) I put on a shoulder holster with my Coonan Classic, in addition to my J-frame.

Unless I am at the gym the J-frame is all ways carried the same (in the pocket)

Vermonter
March 16, 2012, 04:17 PM
Ok,
When I am in tie and sport coat (not often) I have to pocket carry and LCP if I want a gun on me. The coat would be a great concealer however it never stays on all day and night therefore LCP it is.

Most days OWB G27 or OWB Charter .38

Basically my daily attire has to dictate what I can and cannot carry. As for the whole lounge cloths to pants and a belt thing I always wear my daily work cloths when I leave the house. I don't go to the store wearing sweats or anything of that nature. My Job requires me to be ready to answer a call and go out in a hurry therefore the work cloths are always close at hand.

There is no way the same setup can work for every activity that just wouldn't make any sense.

Regards, Vermonter.

TenRing
March 16, 2012, 09:55 PM
I think it is flawed logic to not understand that different situations, venues and clothing call for different concealed handguns. If you use a "one size fits all" solution then you are going to be suboptimal in some cases you will be carrying too much in some other cases. It is a judgment call.

If I'm wearing a large winter jacket, I can conceal any handgun. But if I'm wearing slacks and a business shirt and tie in the heat of summer, I will need a small deeply concealed handgun.

This is no different than wearing different shoes for different occasions. You aren't going to wear your tuxedo shoes while mowing the lawn and you probably won't go to the beach on the 4th of July wearing snowmobile boots.

kinggabby
March 16, 2012, 10:29 PM
People need to read the entire thread before commenting. I Have said before I am not talking about how you carry depending on clothes and venue. I am talking about I hear people say If I am going to a such and such part of town the I carry something bigger or more ammo because it is a bad part of town. This part that is in bold is what I am getting at. I can understand that if you are wearing a bathing suit you are not going to carry a Desert Eagle. And I understand that you might want to carry a .380 in a suit pocket if you are going out to a nice dinner or to Church. Again what I am saying is if I am out of the house if I carry lets say 40 rounds of ammo and a .357 then why would I change that for a different part of town? It is as if you can predict evil when you travel out of your nice parts of town . Criminals are not going to say I will not carry less because I am in a nice neighborhood. They are going to make sure they are totally prepared no matter where they decide to commit a crime whether it is a nice neighborhood or a bad one. .

Hansam
March 16, 2012, 10:45 PM
In response to the OP's question then:

I always carry. Whether I go into town, a larger city, the bad part of a larger city (which I try to avoid but sometimes I end up having to go there anyway), country side etc. I always carry. Even sitting at home here on the computer now I'm carrying.

It doesn't make sense to think that you can predict when you're going to need your weapon. If you don't need it great - carry anyway. If and when you do need it you're going to be glad you have it. If you don't have it you've just allowed yourself to become a victim.

Frank Ettin
March 16, 2012, 10:49 PM
...I am talking about I hear people say If I am going to a such and such part of town the I carry something bigger or more ammo because it is a bad part of town...And that's an important point.

There's the story about the Sheriff who goes to the fancy garden party. The hostess goes up to him and says, " Sheriff, I see you're wearing your sidearm. Are you expecting trouble? At my party?"

The Sheriff replies, "Why no ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I'd be carrying a rifle."

I carry whenever I legally can (mostly on trips to other States). I'm not going to try to guess whether or not I'll need my gun. Chances are I won't need it, but I'd feel pretty foolish if, for some reason, I did need but didn't have it.

And if I thought that I'd really need my gun some place, I wouldn't go there.

David9X19P
March 18, 2012, 10:15 PM
Probably in this day and age of instantaneous communication, buzzing around like bees at work, we all get in a hurry to blurt a response out.

Here's my .02. I always carry also. What that means is that anywhere I'm allowed to do so, I am. I will always have one on with at least one spare magazine, and where I wear it on my body and what clothing covers it wasn't germane to his question.

I might even go between a 1911 or a P226, but it matters not a whit does it? He is also right about the threat level being a "constant," one never knows whether the nice, quiet neighborhood one lives in or the nighttime urban jungle is going to pose "a problem," right?

Clint Smith said it right for me. I prefer to be comforted, not comfortable, and do my best to select gear to make the latter as good as possible and carry on with life.

Justice06RR
March 18, 2012, 10:30 PM
Changing my way of carrying only changes upon my clothing. Sometimes I pocket carry with loose fitting shorts or jeans, sometimes IWB when I wear tighter clothes. it doesn't matter if its a good or bad neighborhood.

there are no good or bad neighborhood IMO.

nothing about the what I carry changes. the 9mm goes with me almost everywhere I can go legally. If I could carry a rifle too I would, except it would be too bulky :D

Emuricah513
March 19, 2012, 10:41 AM
..I am talking about I hear people say If I am going to a such and such part of town the I carry something bigger or more ammo because it is a bad part of town.

Yeah I really can't make any bit of sense out of this. If I'm going to church or a "bad part of town" a threat is a threat regardless. The odds of an encounter happening may be different but I don't think you should change the caliber of your weapon based on where you are going.

kinggabby
March 19, 2012, 11:03 AM
Yeah I really can't make any bit of sense out of this. If I'm going to church or a "bad part of town" a threat is a threat regardless. The odds of an encounter happening may be different but I don't think you should change the caliber of your weapon based on where you are going. Again this is what I am getting at. I treat every place I go with the same level of threat possibility. if I say carry my Sigma with 4 magazines to one place I will carry it to all places ( unless dressing for the place restricts me ). Because the way I see it you never know .

MikeNice81
March 20, 2012, 08:39 PM
The only time I change my carry set up is when I go to the beach or pool. Then I just can't. Otherwise I have never had a problem concealing my CZ P-07 in the exact same spot. I can even conceal it with my dress shirt tucked in. At 5'10" and 190lbs it isn't because I'm a big guy either.

I don't understand the attitude of, "I'll be in Suburb A instead of on East and Main so I only need a. . ." With the invention of cars the limits of neighborhood boundaries largely disappeared. Criminals have been using cars to attack and flee since the 1930s. Before that they used horses to seek out high value targets. I don't think that has changed a bit in the last 100 years.

ETA:
I've had to pull in defense on three occasions. Every time the response from the responding officer was, "Well, that usually doesn't happen in this area. If you had been over on ____, I wouldn't have been suprised."

One time was in a gas station parking lot in one of the safest cities in the state. Another time was in broad daylight in the parking lot of a major big box store. The third time was in a gas station parking lot in a neighborhood that "is on it's way up." None of the locations are known to be trouble spots.

rburch
March 21, 2012, 01:04 AM
While I can't say I've ever changed my carry piece based on the perceived threat.

Oh wait I can, I normally carry one 14rd spare mag, and I swapped to two 16rd when I was going to repossess a car one evening. Also swapped the 14rd in the gun for a 16rd. But that's an extreme case where I knew there was higher risks.

I do change my carry around based on weather, clothing, and even my mood.

My two carry pieces are a CZ PCR and a Taurus 38 snub. While I carry the PCR most, somedays I just feel like carrying the revolver.

kinggabby
March 21, 2012, 01:32 AM
While I can't say I've ever changed my carry piece based on the perceived threat.

Oh wait I can, I normally carry one 14rd spare mag, and I swapped to two 16rd when I was going to repossess a car one evening. Also swapped the 14rd in the gun for a 16rd. But that's an extreme case where I knew there was higher risks.

I do change my carry around based on weather, clothing, and even my mood.

My two carry pieces are a CZ PCR and a Taurus 38 snub. While I carry the PCR most, somedays I just feel like carrying the revolver.
And how did you know it was higher risk ? Did criminals give you a call and tell you they would be active that night? And on lighter nights did they call and tell you they were going to stay in and watch a movie instead of deciding on attacking people?

MikeNice81
March 21, 2012, 02:46 AM
Because repoing a car is a risky venture. It is not uncommon for repo men to be assaulted and shot at it. It tends to happen more in lower income areas.

Also some neighborhoods do have a higher crime rate. If a neighborhood is known to be violent, and you are going there to take a piece of property, it increases the chance you will meet violence.

rburch
March 21, 2012, 01:24 PM
And how did you know it was higher risk ?

Because I was walking up a person's driveway at night, climbing into "their car" and driving away in it.

There's a reason we normally contract that out to Towing Companies, but the guy had already moved 4 times, and by the time we found out his new address, the earliest any of our Towers could get to it was the next day.

Same guy threatened to break my jaw when he stopped by to pick up the stuff he'd left in the car. :rolleyes:

The joys of working at a Buy-Here/Pay-Here car lot.

dayman
March 23, 2012, 08:22 PM
Hopefully this addresses the original post correctly.
I carry pretty much the same thing wherever I go. I tend to avoid areas where I'd feel a bunch of extra mags or a bigger gun are necessary.
If I were a delivery man, or otherwise forced to go places I feel in danger I might behave differently.

The one exception to that would be hiking. If I'm in bear/cougar country I'm probably going to go.... well, "loaded for bear".

F350Diesel
March 24, 2012, 03:43 PM
Unless i missed something, I read a lot about extra mags and different calibers, but not a thing about a backup. Sometimes I go with one gun, sometimes two. (Three on one occasion, but it's because I already had two, and just bought one) There isn't any rhyme or reason to it for the most part. Before I moved out of Southern AZ dang right I always had two, but I didn't always have the best luck being in the right place all the time. Along the same lines, those 5.11 pants are pretty nice; cell phone pocket i usually use for an extra mag pocket, and the cargo pockets are stout enough to keep a .380 in a pocket holster under control.

BGutzman
March 24, 2012, 04:22 PM
I carry different weapons based on where I’m going and what I’m doing because its prudent.... After all how often do you see someone in a business suit robbing a store with a gun or knife? It does happen but not very often in comparison to something like jeans and a hoodie...

There are times and situations when I would carry my 460 Rowland but I try to avoid those places and situations like the plague.... Last time I carried it I had to take one of my sons to get a SSN card and the building he had to go to is located in what appears to be a criminal haven with dealers and prostitutes all over the place...

I simply avoided touching federal property and parked where I could observe my son and I couldnt be approached from behind anything... All went well and two hours later we were on our way home...

Normally my P220 Carry is almost always on my but as the temperature climbs and we want to do outdoor activities for long lengths of time it just becomes too hot to wear a vest or a second shirt or anything similar and IWB just doesnt work for it for my body with my P220 or 460 Rowland...

In the past I downgraded to a Bersa Thunder 380 but I recently added a Sig P290 (9mm) which will be taking its place as my secondary choice....

I also commonly down grade if my wife is going on a multi hour shopping spree as my bad knee really struggles with the added weight and miles of walking...

I get it that bad things can happen anywhere and if I find myself with a 9mm or a 380 or whatever then its going to have to do the job as is but no Im not about to start carrying my Rowland as a daily carry, its too big for any sort of comfort..

graysmoke
March 24, 2012, 06:39 PM
Major factor in concealment carry....Try to stay trim and in decent weight for your height. Overweight people encounter difficult options in trying to conceal a firearm.
The Pancake design, leather hip holster is the best option for all size handgun frames. Semi auto or revolver.
I like the Bianchi 'Shadow' for my Beretta 92.... and the Galco 'Fletch' for my compact Glock 23

Frank Ettin
March 24, 2012, 07:01 PM
Major factor in concealment carry....Try to stay trim and in decent weight for your height. Overweight people encounter difficult options in trying to conceal a firearm....First, this is off topic -- see post 26.

Second, I'm fat and have no trouble concealing a Commander size 1911 (I carry whenever I legally can). My trick is to buy my trousers the correct size (or a little larger to accommodate an IWB holster). Some full figure guys tend to buy pants too small.

Yes, I shouldn't be fat and I'd prefer not to be (and work at trying to keep things from getting out of control). But that's another story.

Okay, this thread hijack is over. Let's get back on topic -- deciding when and where to carry.

glocktwotwo
March 24, 2012, 07:15 PM
Hey kingabby,,,i havent read one of your posts in awhile....i agree with you,,how do you know what situation you might find yourself in...as always a glock 22 small of my back ...16 rounds jhp,,,,same gun same placement on my body always

JerryM
March 24, 2012, 09:50 PM
To each his own. I do not live my life either in fear or build it around guns and SD. I don't go to bad areas, don't go to bars, and live in a nice neighborhood. Sure there will be the Charles Mansons as long as mankind exists, but I don't bother with worrying about them. Can you imagine that I do no carry at home or in the shower??

Somehow I have managed to live a relatively long life, and all my friends also, without a violent encounter. I am glad I did not build it around worrying about the Mansons or any other thug.

Mostly I now carry a P3AT, and am not concerned about whether or not it is enough on any given day.

Regards,
Jerry

Buzzcook
March 24, 2012, 10:29 PM
Weather does and should make a difference. Try quick drawing from an IWB when you got a parka and a heavy sweater on.:D

Pocket carry in a heavy winter coat just makes sense.

Having worked and lived in several "bad parts of town" in several cities, I just don't see the threat as much greater than the regular parts of town.

bikerbill
March 25, 2012, 03:40 PM
I do use diffferent guns depending on a variety of factors ... EDC is a pocket- or paddle-holstered Kahr PM9 ... but if I'm just running errands in my one-stoplight town, I might have an NAA Pug aboard ... in cooler weather, when I can cover it, I love carrying my Kimber UCII ... I practice with all of them and am confident I won't forget which one I'm carrying ...