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Racingsnake
March 3, 2012, 02:03 PM
Hi

I'm new to muzzle loading and like the look of the Pedersoli Hawken and the Lyman GPR. I see the DP rifles are more expensive - is there a big difference in quality?

I'm probably just going to do recreational target shooting - are these two guns a good choice for a starting rifle?

Regards, Racingsnake

wjg686
March 3, 2012, 02:13 PM
No experience with the Pedersoli, but I love my .54 cal GPR flinter.

Pahoo
March 3, 2012, 02:44 PM
is there a big difference in quality?
To answer you question, there is a difference but there certainly is nothing wrong with the Lyman. I would never feel short changed with the GPR. .. ;)


Be Safe !!!

Strafer Gott
March 3, 2012, 02:53 PM
I built my Lyman GPR .50 from a kit, to get a defarb finish. I diamond lapped the barrel. I love the way it shoots. That patent breech and slow twist for prb really makes a nice afternoon cruiser. It shoots well at different loads for target or hunting. I like the muzzle heavy way it hangs in the hands, and the set triggers are a real refinement. It's a little like carrying a crowbar one-handed in the woods, but it is nice and thin at the balance point.

Mr.Guido
March 3, 2012, 06:04 PM
GPR's do not have a "Patent" breech. They have a reduced chamber cut into the breech plug. Some Pedersolis do have a "Patent" breech of sorts, that is they have an actual ante chamber that is communicated to the bore by a narrowed flash channel. This type of breech is much more difficult to determine when it is actually clean.

deerslayer303
March 3, 2012, 07:33 PM
Don't know much about the D.P. Rifles. I have picked up one in a gun shop and was set back when I flipped the tag over. But they are awesome looking rifle. But my GPR (used from Gun Broker), even though rough around the edges, Shoots like a dream. And as others have stated I really like how muzzle heavy it is, when holding it in an off hand shooting posistion, you can hold it really steady. Good Luck with your choice.

Hawg Haggen
March 3, 2012, 07:34 PM
If money was no object I'd go with the Pedersoli but the GPR is no slouch.

arcticap
March 3, 2012, 10:42 PM
The Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken is a heavy gun.
There's nothing wrong with it as a starter gun if you don't mind a 10 pounder.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Black-Powder/Traditional-Rifles-Shotguns|/pc/104792580/c/104701680/sc/104641380/Davide-Pedersoli-Rocky-Mountain-Hawken/706019.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-black-powder-traditional-rifles-shotguns%2F_%2FN-1100202%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104641380%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104701680

I see the DP rifles are more expensive - is there a big difference in quality?

What's nice about muzzle loading is that price or brand is not the determining factor of how much fun and enjoyment a person will have while firing it. A person can have as much fun firing a $100 gun as he would firing a $1000 gun. The important thing is getting the one that you like, and which feels good and fits good. But the level of accuracy and overall quality is also important to liking a gun. There's always going to be some qualitative differences and trade-offs between models of a different price range. But some of the differences are subjective and difficult to quantify. Most all percussion guns on the market today shoot reasonably well.

Hawg Haggen
March 3, 2012, 10:50 PM
It's closer to a real Hawken than the GPR. It has Gemmer style sights on it which are very late.

FrontierGander
March 3, 2012, 11:01 PM
GPR isn't anywhere close to a real hawken but it is a good example of a late plains rifle from the 1860's.

If you got the money for the Pedersoli, add a few bucks and check these out! Fully custom and built one at a time.
http://www.octobercountry.com/products/Liver-Eating-Johnston.html

And this one,
http://www.octobercountry.com/products/Deluxe-Liver-Eating-Johnson-.50%2C-.54-and-.58-Caliber.html

Hawg Haggen
March 3, 2012, 11:20 PM
It's about as close as you can get to a Hawken in a reasonably priced production rifle. A lot closer than the TC's etc. Ummm FG, those aren't anywhere near a Hawken

FrontierGander
March 4, 2012, 02:39 AM
nope but they are higher quality and look dang good. Plus you can get a 58cal!:eek:

Hawg Haggen
March 4, 2012, 08:55 AM
If I spend that kinda money for a Hawken it better by God Resemble a Hawken.:D

Racingsnake
March 4, 2012, 02:51 PM
Thanks for all your advice. It's given me a lot to work with.

Best regards, Racingsnake

BDM 9MM
March 5, 2012, 02:43 PM
I have owned them both and both are fine guns. The DP Tryon will give you pride of ownership ( I owned the one detailed in silver) as it is a thing of beauty with top notch fit, finish and barrel. Go buy it!!! Are you going to rendezvous? It is a blast - I have been going to rendezvous for a little over 20 years and just love it. Good luck. Dan

Sure Shot Mc Gee
March 5, 2012, 03:51 PM
I take your Threads read, to insinuate? you Sir want to be a Traditionalist Rifle Shooter. If so, there seems to be the consensuses that choosing either is? all about their cosmetics.--Best thing here to do? Why not buy both.:rolleyes:--are these two guns a good choice for a starting rifle? Absolutely!!;)