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CLC
February 24, 2012, 04:25 PM
Could you fine gentleman in C&R land please school me on the Hakim? Ive been wanting one for a long time now and had a chance to pick one up from my local fun shop for what I thought was a decent price ($600). It looks in excellent shape and has a mirror bright bore. My good friend has one so im not completely knew I just would like some fresh info. Another AR can wait for another day I guess :D.

Willie Sutton
February 24, 2012, 07:15 PM
Not a bad rifle... as I am sure you know it's a license built Swedish AG-42, one of the postwar "full size cartridge" battle rifles in the pre-plastic era. Contemporary would have been the (excellent) FN-49, etc. It's a unique rifle, cocked by pushing the dust cover *forward* and then retracting it to retract the bolt. Quality seems good, they were very common about, oh... 15 years ago. The Rashad was a carbine sized version in 7.62x39, never made anywhere else AFAIK. As a collector of full sized cartridge battle rifles, I consider mine to be an important part of my collection.

Enjoy yours, they shoot well and have some interesting features. Among them is the fact that the AG-42 was really the technical father of the Stoner system of direct gas impingement on the bolt carrier, a-la the AR-15 series. It's really the great-great grandpa of the M-16 from a system standpoint.

Every real martial rifle collection needs the folllowing sub-collection:

Garand
G-41/43
SVT-38/SVT-40
AG-42 (in the form of a Hakim)
FN-49


Being the all-wood classics of full size cartridge rifle design.
Yeah... add in a M1A too.... ;)


Just one collectors opinion, worth about what you paid for it... :o





Willie

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CLC
February 24, 2012, 08:49 PM
HAHA I like your style. What war/wars was the Hakim issued in and with what kit? I don't understand Arabic all that well :p or have the gun in front of me. is there a way to tell arsenals or dates ......etc.?
The Rashad was a carbine sized version in 7.62x39, never made anywhere else AFAIK.
I do believe Iraq made some.

Willie Sutton
February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM
My guess is that they were carried in garrison and training, and dropped only twice: Once in the 6 Day War and once in the Yom Kippur War. Egypt is not known for doing much of anything with it's military, other than terrorizing it's own folks and losing to the Israeli's now and then. Nobody else ever used them.

As for the Swedes: They never fought with them either. Heck, they don't fight anyone: They sat out WW-II, selling steel and ball bearings to anyone who wanted them and could pay cash.

I will have to check about Iraqi Rashads, but I have never seen anything mentioned about them before.

AFAIK, they were all made in one spot, on tooling purchased from Sweden after the design had been rendered obsolete there. This category of wood stocked battle rifle was already obsolete even as they were being made. Production in Egypt was definately a third-world choice. Caliber was selected so as to use up the huge stocks of WW-II surplus ammo that was available for nearly free. If I remember right, production started in 1955, making it the last all-wood battle rifle to have a production line started.


Serial numbers are in Arabic, many have electric pencil translations added for the rest of us. Dates are also stamped on the receivers. Chart attached for translation.


Figure out how to strip the thing yet? Cocked and Closed, Safety halfway between fire and safe, push the cover forward a bit, lift up the safety and remove, and the cover and bolt come out of the back. Easy as pie.


Willie

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egor20
February 24, 2012, 11:16 PM
The Rashad was a carbine sized version in 7.62x39, never made anywhere else AFAIK.

Are you thinking of the Rasheed carbine, rather than Rashad?

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/firearms-ordnance/12565d1218848248-egyptian-rasheed-carbine-rashid.jpg

Kinda looks a little like an SKS if your near sighted.

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/autoloading-rifles/eg/rasheed-e.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasheed_Carbine

Willie Sutton
February 24, 2012, 11:27 PM
Yes, just mis-spelled.

Never bought one, they didn't fit into any niche of my collection. Look like a quality piece though. Have handled several.



Willie

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James K
February 25, 2012, 12:39 AM
IIRC, the serial numbers on those guns are in Arabic, not Farsi; as the chart shows, they are not quite the same. And Farsi is not Arabic, though it is written in the Arabic alphabet.

Jim

Willie Sutton
February 25, 2012, 08:48 AM
Quite correct, and the Hakim is in Arabic numbers as you say. The JPEG is titlled "farsi" but is really a comparison of all three systems (ours, Farsi, and Arabic)


The interesting thing is that OUR standard alphabet is properly called "Arabic" (as opposed to Cyrillic), so go figure....


Willie


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gyvel
February 25, 2012, 11:33 AM
To the OP:

You say you have handled you friend's Hakim, so I assume you have also shot it.

If not, be prepared to get your face slapped by the gas coming back through the tube. Kinda feels like getting hit in the face with a hot meringue pie.:D Be sure you have your shooting glasses on.

Also, shoot it in a clearing, as the brass is usually thrown 237 1/2 feet or so forward and to the right of the gun.:D

gyvel
February 25, 2012, 11:40 AM
The interesting thing is that OUR standard alphabet is properly called "Arabic" (as opposed to Cyrillic), so go figure....

A minor corrrection, Willie: Our alphabet is based on Roman or Latin letters, and usually it is referred to as the "Roman alphabet."

I think what you are thinking of is our numbers. Our numbers are called "Arabic numerals" as there are substantial similarities between the original Arabic numbers and ours.

Willie Sutton
February 25, 2012, 02:35 PM
That's exactly right, and the discussion was on numerals, not alpabetic characters. My poor proof-reading.


Willie

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doofus47
February 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
I liked my Hakim bunches. it was very solid, shot straight and had little recoil--I think this was mostly due to the weight of the rifle more than the built-in muzzle brake.
+1 to the recommendation to wear shooting glasses.
I'd also recommend that you wear both plugs and muffs, b/c the Hakim's brake makes the shooting very loud.

There's a gas adjustment tool that people sell on gunbroker that helps when you change ammo sources. Don't shoot Turkish 8mm.

I think that $600 is a bit steep.

CLC
February 27, 2012, 01:58 PM
I do see now $600 is a bit off but I've been wanting one for more than 5yrs and couldn't bring myself to plop the money down at a gunshow. This is the problem with going to a gun store that does layaways Haha. Anyway, anyone have a idea where I can find photos of egyptians carrying Hakims? I can't seem to find much.

Cheapshooter
February 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
The Hakim is a great shooter, and a really fun gun to have. Their unique look garners lots of attention at the range. $600 sounds a bit high, but if you have wanted one for five years, go for it. I missed out when they were a hundred bucks, but finally got one in a trade about 10 years ago.

Willie, you seem to know a great deal about them. Do you know of a source for parts that would have the gas adjustment screw stop washer, or what ever it is called. Mine is missing, and the adjustment screw is easily turned by hand. I actually have it screwed in all the way, and on the surplus ammo I have it runs just fine. I'd just like to have it in case it ever needs fine tuning.

James K
February 27, 2012, 11:46 PM
If we are getting technical on numbering systems, our numbers are derived from Hindu, not Arabic. I wonder how far we could have advanced (assuming we have) using Roman numbers and without positional notation.

http://www.archimedes-lab.org/numeral.html

Just to keep on the gun topic, Thompson SMG magazines are designated XX, XXX, L, and C. In case you missed it, that is the capacity in Roman numbers, 20, 30, 50, and 100.

Jim

doofus47
February 28, 2012, 10:52 AM
Mine is missing, and the adjustment screw is easily turned by hand.
Cheapshooter, you are missing the "gas port adjustment lock," as numrich calls it, a diamond-shaped spring that fits under the valve. It should click when you turn it.
Unfortunately, numrich is out of them now.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Search.aspx?filter=hakim

Cheapshooter
February 28, 2012, 03:23 PM
Unfortunately, numrich is out of them now.
I know, they have been for some time. that's why I asked. I guess as long as it's running OK without it it isn't a big deal for now.

gyvel
February 29, 2012, 04:00 AM
If we are getting technical on numbering systems, our numbers are derived from Hindu, not Arabic. I wonder how far we could have advanced (assuming we have) using Roman numbers and without positional notation.

That's true; In common parlance we refer to them as "arabic numerals," but actually they are more correctly referred to as "Hindu-Arabic Numerals."

amx4080
February 29, 2012, 07:59 AM
I think that $600 is a bit steep.

Yes, $600 is high given that the average sales price for on-line that I've been tracking (data here (http://www.gunstockmarket.net/sales.php?firearm=4&searchwords=&excludewords=&qstitle=Hakim)) is bouncing around $450-$460. The average asking price is higher, but I have seen higher priced Hakims re-listed many times and not selling.

jsmaye
March 1, 2012, 09:12 AM
I wonder how far we could have advanced (assuming we have) using Roman numbers and without positional notation.

Not very - in Roman numerals there is no 'zero'; in fact the concept of 'zero' is more recent than most people realize.

Lee McNelly
March 1, 2012, 09:16 AM
bless you:D

BobR
March 2, 2012, 02:02 AM
If you happen to get the Hakim, shoot me an email and I will send a manual back your way.

bob

gyvel
March 2, 2012, 02:47 AM
Hakim auction # 275620632 is on Gunbroker right now. This guy lives close by and he is pretty honest about everything.

volkstrm
March 2, 2012, 06:34 AM
Dame I had one back in the 90's. I payed $110.00 for it. I really like it. It shot 8mm just like my k98's mauser's. But like an dumb ass I trade it in a year later for $99.00 so I could get a marlin model #60 for my Daughter. She was just maybe like 10-12 years old her 1st gun she learned to shoot on that gun. I just wish I would have waited & save up the money to buy it & kept it. I sure do miss that gun. And it was in very good shape. Funny thing is I still have the Marlin#60. It as not been shot for over 10 years. Still clean & oil it like all my guns. Its just that I don't have fun shooting 22 rifle's. I have much more fun shooting my K98's,Gew98's,SKS,AK47,AK74,m76(8mm). Now you got me thinking should I pick one up again?? I do see them at gun shows from time to time. It would really hurt to pay $600.00 or so for it now when I at one time payed $110.00 for it. The one's I have seen at the show's are not as good shape as the one I had.(As far as I remember). O'll well thats my story. I would say if you find one in good shape for a good price get it. Good luck.