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Constantine
February 24, 2012, 08:53 AM
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Well there you have it...my trigger finger on my right hand. I always carry my Glock 21sf and now I'm unable to carry anything let alone use the gun range or drive my manual car, a mustang gt. My dominant hand is out of service for a month...


I may be heading out to the range now with a buddy to learn how to shoot lefty. That's all I can really do. Practice and I guess try and become ambidextrious. Regardless I'll never feel as comfortable as I do with my right.


I hope this thing heals ASAP and correctly and I don't need physical therapy.

Think the CZ-82 with good hollow points may have to be my main carry for this time being. I'm a .45acp guy...this feels weird.

Any other ideas out there? Anyone else been through this before? Share. Much love.
SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

zincwarrior
February 24, 2012, 08:57 AM
OOWWWWW!!!

C0untZer0
February 24, 2012, 09:05 AM
Dude, I can drive stick with a pop can or my cell phone in right hand.

Man up !

And shooting lefty is good for you, someday if you get in a shootout and you take a round to you right hand, if your weapon is still functional, you can switch to your left hand.

HiBC
February 24, 2012, 09:05 AM
Probably real hard to fasten your britches.A guy could be a little clumsy fastening his britches and drop his gun and shoot himself in the hiney.

PawPaw
February 24, 2012, 09:06 AM
Ow! I bet that smarts!

On the upside, you've broken ONE of your trigger fingers. You have several more. Look on this as a training opportunity. I'll bet that after you've shot with your off side a couple of times, it will become almost tolerable.

Ronbert
February 24, 2012, 09:09 AM
PawPaw is right- you have more than one. On the same hand even.
Time to try some new techniques.

C0untZer0
February 24, 2012, 09:12 AM
I think it's a reason to research and purchase a left handed handgun :D

K_Mac
February 24, 2012, 09:21 AM
Just rub some dirt on it...:p

Look at it as an opportunity to improve your weak hand. Most of us (including me) don't spend near enough time doing it.

I hope it heals quickly and properly. Good luck.

Spats McGee
February 24, 2012, 09:50 AM
Just walk it off . . . ;)


Seriously, though, hope you heal quickly, and good luck with the new training regimen!

B. Lahey
February 24, 2012, 09:58 AM
Thanks, you just made me feel less silly about the weakhand shooting practice that I do fairly regularly. :)

jhenry
February 24, 2012, 10:03 AM
Weak hand drills are very important, but most folks don't do them near enough, myself included. This is a very good lesson.

Skans
February 24, 2012, 10:03 AM
Shooting lefty is no big deal. I usually put a couple magazines through my carry piece left handed just to make sure that I'm ok with it. You really aught to be doing this anyway.

Shifting will be a pain though - hope you heal up quickly!

TailGator
February 24, 2012, 10:08 AM
It is good that the fracture is not displaced, since it minimizes the risk of lingering tendon or nerve damage. You should talk to your doctor about prognosis, but from what I can see in the radiographs, my money is on you healing pretty well. (Veterinarian, not MD. The hand is more complex than a paw, but the bones heal similarly.)

As others have said, left hand is still good, and there are folks who use their 3rd finger on the trigger, too. Talk to you doctor about the latter, though, because he might not want the concussive force being applied so near the fracture site.

Hope you feel better soon, and that healing is complete.

Indi
February 24, 2012, 10:09 AM
That's horrible. Wish u a speedy recovery. In the mean time practice with the left. I did and learned that I'm a hell of a good shot lefty, just not as quick in the draw. Just don't get used too it, cause new holsters ain't cheap....lol

Farmalljon
February 24, 2012, 10:22 AM
Nobody has asked yet, so I will. How did you manage to break your trigger finger?

kraigwy
February 24, 2012, 10:25 AM
AS my father use to tell me, "long way from the heart"

Sorry,

This is one of the reasons I stress shooting (at least 60% of the time) shooting weak hand. ( Weak = 60%, Strong = 30%, two hand = 10%)

Back in '77 I got shot in my right hand (no I wont tell the story). Had the whole hand bandaged. I got to where I could draw (still carried my service revolver on my right side) with my left hand, kind of a weird reach around.

Sargent took me to the range to watch me draw, then sent me to "property" to get a left handed holster. Took a bit of practice but I got over it.

I got to where I could draw and shoot no problem, but had to go to the bank and do another signature card because they couldn't recognize my left handed signature.

I still have the Bianchi left handed breakfront holster for a 4 in. S&W if you need it.

Superdave70_02
February 24, 2012, 10:25 AM
I cut off my trigger finger five years ago. It was surgically reattached and three months later I was pheasant hunting. You got plenty more fingers.

AH.74
February 24, 2012, 10:34 AM
My wife had a less severe break on the same finger, but on the upper part of the digit closer to the knuckle. Early December 2010.

She had that same type of splint for 1 week, and then a cast for about 3 weeks. She had some therapy for a while after cast removal- twice a week for 4 weeks and then once a week for 8 more weeks- and then did it on her own. She wasn't as diligent as I would have liked and at this point has just a bit less flexibility in the knuckle joint when making a fist. If you work on this part harder, you should not permanently lose any flexibility. But expect a lot of stiffness at first and some loss of strength that will come back quickly with some work.

I recall the Dr. saying something to the effect that there would be lasting effect of achiness for approximately a year or so until fully healed.

She has no problems but occasionally does have some minor soreness.

About the off-hand practice- good idea. When I took my first CCW class the instructor had us do that and just about all the other people in the class said it had never occurred to them to do that. Made me wonder about those people...

Good luck and heal well.

Murdock
February 24, 2012, 12:25 PM
Did an orthopedic surgeon who does hands look at you, or just the ER staff?

When you go to therapy, (GO TO THERAPY!) make sure you see a Certified Hand Therapist (CHT). Don't wait to get a referral after a month from now. GO NOW.

Either a physical therapist (PT) or an occupational therapist (OT) can be a CHT. Most of the hand therapy performed in this country is actually done by OTs rather than PTs. DO NOT allow your physician to send you to a PT unless that therapist is designated as a CHT! If you can't find a CHT in your area, see an plain-jane OT. OTs are better at hand therapy than a PT who may lack specific hand training. About 85% of teh CHTs in this country are OTs.

You need a better splint on your finger than that aluminum and foam thing. That was probably what they stuck on you in the emergency room, yes? There is a lot going on with soft tissue in the proximal interphalangeal (PIP) joint. It is a very complicated joint. You are not going to be 100% in a month. That middle finger bone (second phalanx) may take up to 12 weeks to heal.

To find a CHT in your area, got to HTCC.org (the Hand Therapy Certification Commission) and do a search for one in your area.

At this point you can probably guess what I do for a living. If I can help with questions send me a PM.

Slateman
February 24, 2012, 12:49 PM
Use your middle finger

Learn to shoot southpaw

farmerboy
February 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
Just Pee on it, It would never of stopped John Wayne!

UtopiaTexasG19
February 24, 2012, 01:05 PM
Seven years back I had a 1899 Holsman Horseless Carriage engine backfire on me while I was hand cranking the unit. As small as the engine is it has a 55 pound flywheel and I broke my right index finger and the one next to it in 7 places. Though I went into surgery and had metal pins installed the trigger finger did not heal straight and I have had to adapt while shooting. As the trigger is pulled the finger does not pull back straight but rather in a downward motion. Your x-ray shows your broken finger is straighter than mine is healed so in the long run you should be ok. Be sure to talk to a physical therapist right away so you get the correct exercises down pat immediately so that the muscles and tendons stretch properly after the bone heals so you will have 100% range of motion. I do not and can no longer make a tight fist with my right hand but still shoot really well. It's amazing how the human body and brain can adapt to damage.

Hook686
February 24, 2012, 01:46 PM
Isn't there a school of shooting where you point with the index finger and use the middle finger to trigger the gun ? Looks like you a natural for that training currently.

Grant D
February 24, 2012, 01:47 PM
Practice more with your left hand, I'm left handed but shoot a lot with my right hand. I carry my LCP in my right hip pocket and have a OWB holster on my left hip with a S&W model 64 snubbie. I sometimes find myself shooting right handed without even thinking about it.

NYPD13
February 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
When i broke my trigger finger all I had to do was move my IWB holster from the 4 o'clock to 7 o'clock position for left handed draw. I practice weak handed with every range session but took the opportunity to learn to shoot with my middle finger as well. Take advantage of this situation and learn alternative methods. Feel better.

lefteye
February 24, 2012, 02:07 PM
First (based on my experiences as the patient, not as the therapist), I concur in Murdoch's advice. When able, take the opportunity to learn shooting with your left hand.

9mm
February 24, 2012, 02:50 PM
OP, this is why you need a revolver. Incase you break your finger, you can still work it. :)

I shoot about 50~100 rounds of 22lr with my left hand at the gun range, good learning. This is why God can you more than 1 finger, are you going give up because one finger is out? :confused: You got other fingers you can use.:)

Constantine
February 24, 2012, 03:55 PM
Wow. Did not expect that many responses. :) lol. Well gentlemen. I'm on the way to the range right now with my buddy. My main Glock 21 is staying home for once :( just taking out the SIG because it felt the best in my left hand. It's the e2 edition. I'll see if I can post a range report.

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

2damnold4this
February 24, 2012, 04:17 PM
Sorry for your injury. I hope you recover quickly.

scottycoyote
February 24, 2012, 04:20 PM
i cut off my trigger finger as a kid right across the middle joint and though its reattached its never bent since. Its prob easier for me b/c i grew up dealing with it, but my shooting hasnt suffered any. Some large frame guns i can shoot with my trigger finger, some i have to use my middle finger and i let the trigger ride against the frame. My keltecp32 has to be shot left only b/c i cant shoot it with my middle finger or trigger finger....u just adapt and overcome.

Constantine
February 24, 2012, 04:27 PM
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Here now with the SIG Sauer P226 E2 lol love that name. Hope all goes well!!! Thank you guys for the support and the ones who have had a similar injury. Hope hours better now and keep getting better.

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

Constantine
February 24, 2012, 04:53 PM
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I feel like crying.....this is my worst target..ever... :banghead:

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

motorhead0922
February 24, 2012, 05:03 PM
Two months from now, when you are proficient with either hand, you'll actually be a better marksman than before.

Constantine
February 24, 2012, 11:59 PM
Two months from now, when you are proficient with either hand, you'll actually be a better marksman than before.

Before...all my life I'd put 200rds in a golf ball sized or baseball sized grouping. :/ not used to this.

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

Deaf Smith
February 25, 2012, 12:08 AM
Constantine,

Long time I ago I broke my right hand. Found I was a terrible shot with my .45 Colt Commander with my left!

Now days I shoot with ether hand. Even do IDPA now and then left handed (I have several left handed holsters for that very reason.)

I urge everyone to become at least functional with ether hand (and with rifle as well!)

Deaf

MLeake
February 25, 2012, 12:32 AM
As several others have said, this is exactly why training with either hand is potentially crucial.

I know at least a couple nationally recognized instructors who insist that their assistants be able to conduct a training course using their weak hand. I'm working toward that as a goal, myself.

On the bright side, shooting lefty isn't that hard. It's much easier than trying to throw or write with the weak hand.

reoader22
February 25, 2012, 01:42 AM
just cut it off and use your middle finger or cut it off and use your 870:D

jborushko
February 25, 2012, 01:54 AM
im right handed... i smashed my right hand and wrist down range, i still drove the trucks (manual trans) still carried my m4 (left handed of course)

after i had right shoulder surgery i still carried my 1911, still drove my manual cars... my mustang, and gas saver kia

you'll figure something out

GM2
February 25, 2012, 04:54 AM
I have developed arthritis in my trigger finger so Now I use the middle finger.
Believe me, you can shoot more than birdies with it :D

mrt949
February 25, 2012, 07:58 AM
Had carpletunel surgery and trigger finger done a few years back .Right hand first then the left hand two weeks later talk about a trying time doing simple things . Learned to shoot strong hand &weak hand quickly .Used a air pistol for a few weeks .Made me a better shooter.

Constantine
February 25, 2012, 11:26 AM
I have a lot of mixed feelings with all these responses. :confused: I just want to heal up with whatever time it takes and use my dominant hand again. I know I'll pick back up where I left off. Just really anxious. Hope I'm above 85% back to normal. My failed horrendously with my left.


Another thing I've sadly decided...

I'M NOT GOING TO CARRY MY GUN!

I tried my right. Hurts like hell. Still freshly broken and not happening. Every jerk shifts the bone. Same with when I shift the gears in my stang. Same concept. If my life depended on it. I can. However it doesn't. So why would I prolong this injury and even risk further damage because I have too much pride to want to drive my awesome car and shoot with my ring finger. I know what's best for me there..

Left handed shooting. I'm horrible. See the pics.

As for not carrying. I can't. No lefty holsters..and can't even draw the sucker out with my left fast enough to be comfortable. Not remotely the same. So I'll pass on the idea of carrying for a while and risk being a liberal sheep for as long as I'm healed.

:(
SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

TheNocturnus
February 25, 2012, 11:51 AM
The obvious answer here is to start shooting with your feet.

sigcurious
February 25, 2012, 12:36 PM
Ouch! Hope you heal up quickly and well!

FWIW I find my 1911 much less odd feeling in my weak hand. I don't think it has much to do with my 1911 vs my Sig ergos, but rather by the time I tried shooting my Sig in my weak hand I had several thousand rounds through it. Whereas I starting doing practice with both hands right away with the 1911. The Sig still feels weird in my left hand. I know you're a big fan of your Sig, but maybe try a pistol you've shot less overall.

Constantine
February 25, 2012, 01:34 PM
^ I know I'll shoot the PX4 Storm better than the SIG cause I do so overall even without the injury. I don't know why I took the SIG out yesterday -__-

My Glock 21sf is my favorite now actually then the Storm..the SIG crawled down a bit cause of that DA first round.

dfajkfkjksjdlkhjnfekjdhmlt <-----stressing

going to work without my gun in my lock box for the first time in years!!!

hogshead
February 25, 2012, 01:54 PM
You sure can type good with a broke trigger finger. You probably don't use 1 finger like me though. I broke my right hand when I was younger you will be surprised how well you will adapt to your injury . In a few days the pain will ease off and you will be able to shoot drive and pick ur nose again.

Constantine
February 25, 2012, 02:06 PM
Welcome to the firing line!!!! ^ lmao nice first post man. Thanks for joining us. Read over the rules of the forum. High recommended

Yeah...I type fine...Always did..?

Can't wait to pick my nose!

m&p45acp10+1
February 25, 2012, 02:37 PM
You will improve both shooting and driving in a little time if you choose to work in it. Try some dry fire practice with the left hand.

I am a lefty shooter. Back in the day when I played football i spend most of the season with my left hand splinted up from either a broken thumb, or pinky finger. Once it was both. One year a newbie center gave a bad snap that broke my trigger finger. It was deer season too. I did still get my limit. It was not easy to take a shot, and it hurt like hadies to do so. Working the gear shift on an old Farmall tractor with a broken pinky, and thumb is not fun either.

With handguns I shot with grampa, and shot with my weak hand a lot. When I was in my early 20's I ended up with my left hand badly hurt. I moved my holster to SOB and with enough practice I was drawing, and shooting with my weak hand.

You have to do it enough that it becomes comfortable. It will not be comfortable for a while. Keep practicing.

publius
February 25, 2012, 02:47 PM
Follow Murdock's advice on contacting a specialist immediately.

Stevie-Ray
February 25, 2012, 02:53 PM
Use your middle finger

Learn to shoot southpaw^^^This. I've learned that my draw is done with my last two fingers anyway and I shoot equally well with the middle finger. I also use the left hand while at the range, though I'll admit to being slower at it.

brickeyee
February 25, 2012, 05:50 PM
Just remember they used to shoot injured horses. :eek:

Ibuprofen, or anything stronger you can talk your doctor into.

It should not hurt all that much after about 72 hours or so, unless you try to move it.

farmerboy
February 25, 2012, 06:27 PM
You are gonna have to use your your other hand and let your injured hand rest, sometimes its nice to use your other hand for a change. I bet you get good practice.

lefteye
February 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
Constantine: I sincerely urge you not to push it. I have had thumb joint reconstruction (CarpalMetaCarpal) surgery on both hands at the same time as CarpaTunnel Release surgery - left hand first, right hand a year later. This was followed by surgery for trigger finger and Duputren's on my left hand about two years ago. All required OT therapy and home therapy. I'll never have 100% recovery, but I'm able to shot long guns, hand guns and compound bows. Patience - recover first - then slowly return to perfection shooting. Easy for an old f..t to write, but still my honest advice based on too much actual experience.

Constantine
February 26, 2012, 02:31 AM
You guys are all absolutely right. :/ its just that this is my passion, hobby, love in life. It's my release...I'm recently single again so even more so now.

This whole not carrying thing has me feeling naked and vulnerable. Damn Miami...

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

Murdock
February 26, 2012, 07:59 AM
You are about 3 months away from using your right index finger normally, and about one year away from it feeling fully normal IF YOU GET HELP FOR IT NOW. People intuitively believe that since a finger is small, it should heal quickly. They don't. If you had messed up your knee you might expect 3-5 months of recovery in order to bet back to normal, and probably up to 13 months to have have it feeling fully normal. Your middle finger (PIP) joint is just as complicated as your knee. Also, your trigger finger's middle knuckle will be remain enlarged after this. Maybe not a great deal, but permanently.

One of my pet peeves (can you tell?) is people getting an injured hand/finger and no responsible health care professional in primary care or the ER telling them that they need therapy. Instead a month or two or three go by and "Gee, you're still having trouble with that, huh?" Maybe we should think about sending you to therapy for that." Too late, Bubba.

Where I live and work I see people for hand injuries for my daily bread. Men will come in with a pretty severe injury on one hand, but I always look at the entire body. I will see a crooked or otherwise deformed finger on the other hand and ask about it. Guys will say, "Oh I broke that 3-4 years ago." Did they get any therapy for that? No. The reason that we have two thumbs, two hands and eight fingers is not just for spare parts so that we can just keep going. It's because we need them.

The index finger is our most dispensable digit. The thumb is the least dispensable. When people lose the index finger (aka pointer finger or trigger finger) in an accident, there is very little therapy involved since the middle finger takes over automatically. (Like when you have tape or glue on the tip of your index finger and need to pick up a toothpick, coin or other small object). You just do it with the middle finger. But don't ignore the index finger when it's hurt and expect that it's going to recover in a few weeks with no attention. It won't.

Especially in health care (which have you noticed is not getting cheaper?) it pays to be an informed consumer. You are now informed.:)

BTW, if affording therapy is an issue, you are not alone. Many people think they have adequate insurance only to find that a huge deductible needs to be met, or that therapy isn't covered. See a hand therapist (CHT) once if that is the case and tell him/her that cost is a concern. We run into this all the time. Even if you just get one session of good care, attention and advice you will have a better outcome.

Trust me. Why would I lie in a case where I won't make any money?:D

What, you expected to fire expert with your left hand on your first rip to the range? Get real. Go back to fundamentals and practice. You will always be able to perform well with your left hand after this.

Constantine
February 26, 2012, 09:29 AM
Murdock! Thanks a million for the response! I have torn my ACL and meniscus in my right knee. Back in October of 2008 which threw me out the academy. Got my surgery after the holidays January 5, 2009 and therapy thereafter lasted all that year till the crap insurance I had then ran out. So had it again next year (PT) was denied clearance to return to the academy because of muscle athrophy. So I know all about this therapy being necessary. However not the extent you mentioned which I am forever grateful you mentioned in such a serious way brother. Thank you, this is extremely important to me and I need to have the best possible outcome. I will call the number of the certified hand specialist that they gave me as soon as I hit "submit" on my phone. Ka have great insurance now. I didn't pay a cent when I went to the ER for this finger Xray and all that fun stuff. I'll keep you all posted. Damn shame I had to have a massive standstill or loss on 2 of my lifes greatest passions. Law enforcement and guns... :banghead:

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

m&p45acp10+1
February 26, 2012, 09:37 AM
Looks like you and have something in common. I am like a walking manual of trauma treatment and care. My medical file looks like the Enclopedia Britanica. It is just about as many volumes.:p

For working on your lefty shooting I wold say load your 642 with some real soft shooting .38 spcl full wad cutters. Then get a pocket holster for it. While not being uber fast with it you have it. Besides when walking with your hand in your pocket it looks like you are well walking with your hand in your pocket.

Also a pocket holster is cheap, and can be used in the pocket of either side.

kraigwy
February 26, 2012, 10:53 AM
I guess mine was different, I had pins in myfinger, they couldn't reset it because a bullet went through the nuckle.

There was no shooting with that hand regardless of what finger you used, the recoil killed me. I couldn't even shoot rifle or shotgun. If I shot, it had to be a pistol/revolver with my left hand.

Every since then I've been practicing with my left hand.

As I said, that was in 1977, damp cold still gets to me.

FM12
February 26, 2012, 03:10 PM
Rub some dirt on it Nancy, and walk it off!(per Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"

B.N.Real
February 26, 2012, 03:58 PM
This is an easy fix.

Train yourself left handed shooting with your Glock.

Don't worry about reloading just concentrate on hitting what you are aiming at.

You'll want to leave that broke finger out of the process until the pain happys go away.

Fun part is when your right finger gets better you'll be a two shootin' sum gun.:D

(Your 642 would be a good quick fit but impossible for you to reload)

kraigwy
February 26, 2012, 05:43 PM
(Your 642 would be a good quick fit but impossible for you to reload)

No sir, regardless of whether you shoot a revolver or semi pistol, learn to reload it with one hand.

It can be done, the more you practice, the faster you get.

Kimbertron
February 26, 2012, 07:17 PM
I feel your pain. I am still in a cast from a bad dog bite (2 severed tendons). I will be in a hard splint for another month and probably 2 months of a removable splint after that... if i don't have another surgery. BUT I have been shooting off a bench left handed to take up my time. Its still as fun my groups are just a lot larger lol.

honkylips
February 26, 2012, 07:24 PM
I feel your pain. I just recently started being able to shoot two handed again after breaking my wrist in 5 places
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/honkylipz/IMG_0037.jpg

lefteye
February 26, 2012, 08:31 PM
That looks like an ER photo. :eek:

motorhead0922
February 26, 2012, 10:05 PM
Nice socks.:D

lefteye
February 26, 2012, 11:14 PM
ER socks?

C0untZer0
February 27, 2012, 01:03 AM
Nice socks !

Constantine
February 27, 2012, 08:24 AM
Agree. Nice socks! Lol. Feel better man. That looks freaking terrible!


Oh and gentlemen. I sold my 642. Traded it rather for my mossberg 590 and the Rock Island Armory was used before me and the person who used it destroyed the frame / feed ramp. So it was a jamomatic only when hand loading. Ie: slingshoting the slide and or slide release. Also gone.

I have my Glock 21sf with 2 extra mags on my night stand as usual. Feels weird putting it away before heading out :/ I grab my Glock 27 instead now. I wrap around it a lot more. Guess if I'm in a life or death I can at least defend myself and not really care about a little extra time in this splint.


Right?

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - RIA 1911 - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - PX4 Storm - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

honkylips
February 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
Lol the socks are a pair of motocross socks (I busted my wrist on the dirtbike). Some of the socks have funky patterns.

Murdock
February 27, 2012, 07:06 PM
No sir, regardless of whether you shoot a revolver or semi pistol, learn to reload it with one hand.

+1

Learn it now 'cause you don't wanna learn to do it in a fight.

Stevie-Ray
February 27, 2012, 08:06 PM
I feel your pain. I just recently started being able to shoot two handed again after breaking my wrist in 5 placesMan, that looks familiar. My own LEFT wrist was broken in 6 places in 1970, speed skating. 2 different casts for 6 months, But the OS was good, hardly any signs of arthritis after almost 42 years. Hopefully yours was just as good. My shooting has never been affected by it.

m&p45acp10+1
February 27, 2012, 08:34 PM
I can reload all of my carry guns one handed if need be. The thing is I do not carry a reload. I carry a second gun. That is between 18, and 21 rounds depending on which primary I am carrying. Though I can at the range reload them with one hand.

The only one that is challenging to reload with one hand is the Wildey Magnum. I definately am not going to try shooting it one handed. .357 Wildey Mag in not a wimpy round. (.475 Wildey Mag necked down to .358) It shoots 180 grain bullets at holy canoli velocities. Recoil is enugh to want to hang on with both hands.

Kimbertron
February 27, 2012, 09:31 PM
Oh wow that wrist does not look comfortable :eek:. Anyone ever recover from tendon injuries? Apparently when they repaired them my tendons are shortened a bit so I'm wondering how that will effect my grip. I hope you have a speedy recovery Constantine!

Stevie-Ray
February 28, 2012, 03:46 PM
Anyone ever recover from tendon injuries?Last year I recovered from a torn (not through) biceps tendon. A month of PT did it for me-those folks knew what they were doing. The scary part was the OS told me that if it had been severed, there wasn't much that could be done.:eek: I had never heard of that and it scared the hell out of me. Didn't do any shooting during this time, getting better was all I had on my mind.

A friend of mine had tendon surgery on a finger and has a permanent bend at the first knuckle.

9mm
February 28, 2012, 05:33 PM
Lol @ socks..

B.N.Real
February 28, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jesus Christ! Honkylips.

Glad I ate an hour ago.

Looks like you got a universal joint in your wrist now.

I hope they realign that bad buy before they set it or you will never be able to use it under stress again.

Prayers to you and the OP as well for a quick, safe and complete recovery.

Murdock
February 28, 2012, 07:41 PM
Last year I recovered from a torn (not through) biceps tendon. A month of PT did it for me-those folks knew what they were doing. The scary part was the OS told me that if it had been severed, there wasn't much that could be done. I had never heard of that and it scared the hell out of me. Didn't do any shooting during this most of the time this is time, getting better was all I had on my mind.

With respect to a biceps tendon rupture, the structure that is most often torn is the long head of the biceps muscle/tendon unit. What this means is that there are two connections at the upper end of the muscle where it connects to the skeleton on the shoulder blade and humerus bone. If the long head is torn, the muscle and arm still function (i.e.; you can bend your elbow to lift things). Repairs are usually performed on "younger people" since in most cases "older people" don't lift and carry as much. In its infinite wisdom, the medical establishment makes the decision for you that you that the cost of the repair and rehabilitation is not necessary for old farts, since they aren't as active and in need of strong bodies. Unless you tell them otherwise. The reality is that most of us over 60 are fine with that. So my suspicion is that the surgeon could have repaired the tendon had it ruptured, but felt that doing so may have been troublesome and perhaps nor necessary for you to be able to carry on.

The other end of the muscle, where it attaches to the forearm below the elbow, is a different cat. That has to be fixed or the elbow ain't gonna work well at all.

Tendon repairs in general in the hand, wrist and fingers require that the orthopedic surgeon and Occupational or Physical therapist be specially trained experienced. There is always a balance between getting the tendon moving enough to avoid scar tissue gluing the moving parts down, and alternatively risking rupturing the repaired tendon with too much movement/stress. For surgical repairs of hand and wrist tendons, I would opt for local anesthesia so that the surgeon could test my ability to move after the tendon was repaired. Too short or too long leads to trouble. If/when it's me and my paw, believe me the doc and I are gonna talk about it.

ltc444
February 28, 2012, 07:49 PM
Sorry abou your injury. Having spent a lot in managing rehab and being rehabed I want Reemphasis the recommendations all ready made.

1. See a hand specialist. They can work miracles. Had an employ, a machinist who partially severed a tendon in his hand. The ER Doc did not have the skills to diagnois or repair it. The Hand guy did.

2. A Physcial Threapist who is certified in hands is a MUST. I ripped the tendons in my third finger right hand in 1970. I did not get proper therapy. It is still not right today.

3. Do your therapy. It will hurt like He double hockey sticks. Eat the pain it is you friend. When I had my knee replacement I screamed in pain when my therapist worked the knee. He stopped and I made him continue. I now have a better range of motion than I did before the surgry. The pain is worth it.

4. You now have the oppurtunity to become an outstanding weak hand shooter. As Tony Curtis said in the Pink Submarine, "There is profit in Chaos."

I wish you luck and let us know how you are recovering.

Constantine
February 28, 2012, 11:56 PM
Lol. I swear I love you guys...

UPDATE: SURGERY TOMORROW! I'm getting a surgery done..2 pins in my finger to keep it from shifting anymore. I went to a hand doctor. This is best for me. I even have a leave of absence from work. Unfortunatly. But oh well.

Oh....and guys.....to cope with this...guess what I put on layaway. So no one would take it from me again. When my tax return check comes in....its mine! ....


http://img.tapatalk.com/c6e4e947-afb8-005c.jpg


I HAD TO!!! ALWAYS WANTED ONE!!! DON'T YELL AT ME!!! :D

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Murdock
February 29, 2012, 08:55 AM
Yeah, I kinda suspected pins were in your future from the x-ray. Next be sure that the doc sends you to a CHT for occupational therapy. If he doesn't know one find a CHT on HTCC.org. The site has an easy search function.

Good on the gun. We like.:D

motorhead0922
February 29, 2012, 03:27 PM
guess what I put on layaway

That's no good! You can't reverse the safety! :p

Stevie-Ray
February 29, 2012, 04:35 PM
The other end of the muscle, where it attaches to the forearm below the elbow, is a different cat. That has to be fixed or the elbow ain't gonna work well at all.
That's even scarier. This is where it was torn. After a week of PT the therapist was poking me in the crook of my elbow with her thumb, "breaking up scar tissue." Can't much argue with success, as my pain was 50% gone after just one week. 3 weeks after that I was done. No relapses, so far. OS said that if it had severed, my biceps would have pushed up into my shoulder area and not much could be done about it.:confused: I'm thinking emergency surgery and he's thinking nothing? Didn't make sense to me, but then I'm not an Orthopedic Surgeon, either. He, OTOH is the OS for the Detroit Red Wings.

You're a scary guy, Murdock.;)

Constantine
February 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
Yeah, I kinda suspected pins were in your future from the x-ray. Next be sure that the doc sends you to a CHT for occupational therapy. If he doesn't know one find a CHT on HTCC.org. The site has an easy search function.

Good on the gun. We like.:D

Yes! Thank you Murdock! All of you, even you few weirdos lmao. I did my surgery this morning at 10:30 I have 2 pins inserted as I text this. They'll be there for 3 weeks till he removes them. I was not put under. I thought it was canceled so I ate. I was just under local and was awake the whole time while they drilled me and all that. I moved my finger and made a pretty good sized fist. It's 7:00 now and I feel a liiiiiittle bit of pain.


Can't wait to get my freaking Colt! Doc says I'll be back to 100% in a few months. I'll post pics on my check up tomorrow of the Xray. Till then I'm kind of carrying lefty and my nightstand gun instead of the Glock 21 is my PX4 storm in 9mm.

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motorhead0922
February 29, 2012, 08:22 PM
I have 2 pins inserted as I text this.

Pix.

Constantine
February 29, 2012, 10:23 PM
Pix.

Xray tomorrow :) couldn't today...they had me in a gown and all. -__- lol. Tomorrow from 8-11am

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Spats McGee
March 1, 2012, 09:49 AM
...they had me in a gown and all.
That's NOT what we want pix of . . . :eek:

Constantine
March 1, 2012, 09:52 AM
Oh shoot! Sorry guys!!!

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Constantine
March 1, 2012, 09:53 AM
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motorhead0922
March 1, 2012, 02:05 PM
Wow, those pins are wild! I have not seen that done before.

It reinforces my long-held belief that orthopedic surgery is just carpentry with clean tools.

Constantine
March 1, 2012, 02:33 PM
Lol tell me about it. My knee is a work of art itself. Titanium in there and all ;)

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Murdock
March 1, 2012, 03:07 PM
It reinforces my long-held belief that orthopedic surgery is just carpentry with clean tools.

That's exactly how I describe it to my patients. If you want to hear some real construction site noise, visit the OR when they're doing a hip replacement with a drill, mallet and chisel.

Constantine: Looks like a ice, neat job. The pins will provide much better, early stability for the healing fracture than a splint or that awful foam-and-metal thing they put on you in the ER. You're still looking at about 12 weeks for the bone to be healed, though. Getting the pins out again may not be too big of a deal, and again will be done with you awake, on a local if you even need one. Watch out for the pins breaking though the skin, and if they do keep things clean. Sometimes they come out easy, other times not so easy, but it will still go fairly quickly and probably will be done right in the office.

Hopefully the OS feels good enough about the stability of the fixation that you can get going on an early range of motion protocol.

If swelling is an issue, a CHT therapist has some ways of getting it down quickly (ultrasound, compression bandaging, edema glove, Kinesio tape, etc.) so that you have better movement.

Heat and/or unexplained redness in the skin, elevated pain, etc. are all signs of infection. If that happens, call the doc. If it happens after normal business hours, go to the ER.

Let us know how it goes.:)

Ruger556
March 1, 2012, 09:27 PM
Teach yourself to shoot left handed....you will be glad you did.

orthosophy
March 2, 2012, 09:44 PM
sorry man, that looks nasty.

I had a freak stroke when I was pretty young and had to learn how to use my left side until my right was back to snuff. I won't say it was easy, but it was easier than I though it would be, when I really tried.

To be honest with you, brushing my teeth was about the worst part. I hated that with a burning passion. And now that I'm all better, mostly, I can do nearly anything with either hand. Some things I even changed my dominant hand (I find myself eating lefty a lot).

So look at it this way, at least when your finger is better you'll be able to shoot like Red Ryder.

ms6852
March 3, 2012, 01:54 AM
Man up...I shoot left handed all the time...wait I am a lefty. Now is a good time to buy a buckmark or ruger handgun and a lot of bulk ammo 22lr and start practicing your weak hand shooting.

Shadi Khalil
March 13, 2012, 02:05 PM
Constantine,

Sorry to hear about the finger! I should thank you though, after I read your post I started working more right handed dry firing into my training :)

Ryder
March 14, 2012, 01:45 AM
That ain't no excuse...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEn6vDVP7eQ

:p

TenRing
March 15, 2012, 08:20 AM
I think Charter Arms still makes a left handed revolver if that helps.

Constantine
April 16, 2012, 01:19 AM
BUMP!

Update...I'm 2 days away from having the metal pins removed from my finger.

I've been training left handed and let me tell you..It's as bipolar as my ex girlfriend. I can't shoot for the life of me a tight group even close to what I can do with my right hand. :/ I am very discouraged..Not gonna lie.

It is however, progressing a lot. So far it bends on it's own 90 degrees..Just really weak. The pins keep scratching me up from the inside. Kinda annoying lol not the worst I've ever been through. Believe me..just weird.

So..at the range today..left handed..Finally shot my Glock 22 since I found 2 boxes of ammo laying around. My once favorite caliber (.40) stressed me out. I even limp wristed and jammed the poor thing once. -__- didn't even manage that one handed with the Glock 21sf a month ago. Weird... Anyways..Shot my SIG since that's what I've been carrying at 8:00 since this whole thing happened. Not too bad with that thankfully. My buddy gave me his Glock 26 barrel. Well..lone wolf. To swap into my Glock 27 And did well with that..

Maybe I should carry the 27/26 now? Idk...


I miss my right trigger finger O_O

Murdock
April 18, 2012, 07:20 AM
Pins come out today, yes?

Left hand accuracy depends upon the same fundamentals you first learned with your right side, but you need to give the left hand an opportunity to learn them 'cause they involve a different part of the brain. (The right side of the body uses the left half of the brain, and the left side uses the right half of the brain). The reason most of us have a dominant side is that less brain "hard drive" is used. Ambidextrous people take up more brain space with motor skills than those with a dominant side.

Dry firing and practicing the presentation work just as well for the left hand, and because you already know the "right" way to shoot right-handed, you can avoid the bad habits you learned with your right hand when you first started shooting.

A fine-motor skill like shooting or tying shoes requires 2,000-4,000 repetitions for it to become learned. Once learned, it gets stored in a deeper, lower portion of the brain. When first learning, we use the frontal lobe and the sensory-motor strip of the cerebral cortex because we have to concentrate our attention to get the skill smoothed out. Later, a learned activity/skill requires only subconscious rather than overtly conscious concentration to be performed.

Have you lined up a therapist yet?;)

Constantine
April 18, 2012, 12:55 PM
Murdock. You're awesome man. I'm still under a lot of sedatives. When I finish up here I'm knocking out. Will have a therapist by tomorrow :) thankfully and here are my pics!

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m&p45acp10+1
April 18, 2012, 01:10 PM
Good to see that you are improving.

Oh and me personaly I would not worry about tight groups when shooting a handgun weak handed with one hand. Torso hits are what I care about. If I want to shoot tight groups that is what my rifles are for.

Hope the therapy goes well, and helps.

jglsprings
April 19, 2012, 09:13 AM
I've been training left handed and let me tell you..It's as bipolar as my ex girlfriend.

LOL!

I'm gonna use that one. Hope you are feeling better. Remember P/T stands for pain and torture. All the upcoming hard work will be worth it.

Big Shrek
April 20, 2012, 10:54 AM
Did an orthopedic surgeon who does hands look at you, or just the ER staff?

When you go to therapy, (GO TO THERAPY!) make sure you see a Certified Hand Therapist (CHT). Don't wait to get a referral after a month from now. GO NOW.

Either a physical therapist (PT) or an occupational therapist (OT) can be a CHT. Most of the hand therapy performed in this country is actually done by OTs rather than PTs. DO NOT allow your physician to send you to a PT unless that therapist is designated as a CHT! If you can't find a CHT in your area, see an plain-jane OT. OTs are better at hand therapy than a PT who may lack specific hand training. About 85% of teh CHTs in this country are OTs.

You need a better splint on your finger than that aluminum and foam thing. That was probably what they stuck on you in the emergency room, yes? There is a lot going on with soft tissue in the proximal interphalangeal (PIP) joint. It is a very complicated joint. You are not going to be 100% in a month. That middle finger bone (second phalanx) may take up to 12 weeks to heal.

To find a CHT in your area, got to HTCC.org (the Hand Therapy Certification Commission) and do a search for one in your area.

YEAH!! THAT!!

I broke my middle & third fingers Dec 2010, was expected to get back around 70-80% mobility due to the breaks...
they sent me to a local CHT...he figured 80-90% flexibility back...I said, "Screw That...I want it ALL back...do whatever it takes."

We did, and got 100% flexibility back...I also continued to do the PT on my own at home after the visits were done.
They'll ache just before a rain...but that's the extent of the problems nowadays.

Prior to the accident, I had better than average flexibility/movement as I did magic when I was a kid and did all the Houdini/Blackwell exercises
to get really flexible...also trained to be a stage dip (on-stage pocketpicker)...came in real handy for other things as well ;)
Grab a magic tricks book and do the hand/wrist exercises after you complete PT, they'll work Wonders!!

Yes, therapy is gonna hurt...but it all depends on how determined you are in making a full recovery...
NEVER RETREAT, NEVER SURRENDER!!
and you will make a full recovery!

Naterstein
April 20, 2012, 09:47 PM
Hope you have a quick recovery, but you should be able to drive. I drove a manual transmission Semi 15 miles thru a Miami suburb and then on the Interstate while holding a hard hat full of pee AND I didnt spill a drop.

Spats McGee
April 21, 2012, 07:52 PM
. . . . while holding a hard hat full of pee . . . .
There are some phrases you just never expect to see.