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samsmix
February 10, 2012, 11:56 PM
This was inspired by the SKS for Antelope thread. What Med. to Large game have you taken or seen taken with the "wrong" guns?

I personally have taken a white-tail with a 9mm Hi-power, and have seen an antelope taken with a buckshot loaded shotgun. I also took two mulie does with "00" buck, but was in the brush hunting whitetails at the time.

Everyone seems to know that an antelope rifle must shoot to half a mile on level sights, and throw rocks the rest of the way. That's why next this fall I will take my speed goat with a sidelock .50 and a round ball.:D

egor20
February 11, 2012, 12:12 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/300px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg

Inappropriate for Antelope and other small game.

Although from what some are saying about wild pigs.

it might work.

PawPaw
February 11, 2012, 08:24 AM
This was inspired by the SKS for Antelope thread. What Med. to Large game have you taken or seen taken with the "wrong" guns?

Most folks forget that until the latter part of the 1800s all game killed in the world was taken with black powder and a cast lead bullet. I've seen elk taken with pointy sticks and a bent piece of wood and string. For many years, the world record grizzly bear was on the books, taken by a teenage girl with a .22 (thank God that worked out well for her).

In the '80s I did all my rifle hunting with a black powder rifle and a patched round ball. I got very good with that rifle out to 150 yards and if the game was farther than that, they were admired and let walk.

It ain't the gun, son, it's the person behind it.

HOGSHOOTER
February 11, 2012, 09:08 AM
Well said,i`ve kill hogs with 22rimfire to 50 BMG the results are the same dead hogs(and buckshot,slugs and buck and ball] SKS AKS AR15S work just fine just do not use FMJ.HOGSHOOTER

warbirdlover
February 11, 2012, 09:19 AM
"inapropriate" hunting weapons

A compound (or recurve) bow in the hands of someone who doesn't shoot it all year long.

Baylorattorney
February 11, 2012, 09:22 AM
Hand grenades

KBP
February 11, 2012, 09:36 AM
I think what should be looked at is "inapropriate" hunting by unskilled people! Almost any gun or weapon can be deadly in a skilled hunter's hands. Don't forget a .22 long rifle bullet can go thru 7 inches of wood under the right conditions! Many polar bears have been taken by native hunters with the 30-30 rifle. Its the hunter that makes the difference. That being said, the battleship would really only need one of those guns for most of my hunting requirements.:D

cornbush
February 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
I have killed a few Pine chickens with sticks, rocks and my foot..... does that count????

rickyrick
February 11, 2012, 01:14 PM
Sporks
Mini 14
Wood and blue rifles
Cartridges developed before 1950
Iron sighted rifles
rifles with 100$ scopes
rifles that your grandpa owned
Rifles that cool guys don't like
The rifle in your truck
The rifle you just bought.
The rifle you just asked about on a shooting forum.
Sporks

Gunplummer
February 11, 2012, 01:19 PM
Cars. My x-wife killed/crippled more deer with her car than most people 30 and younger have hunting.

Major Dave (retired)
February 11, 2012, 01:22 PM
in "Nam, early '66, with a M-16 on full auto.

I was on a last light recon flight in a small helocopter (can't remember the model name - the kind used in the M*A*S*H* tv series). Just me (artillery Air Observer), and the pilot.

We were at about 1,000 ft altitude, and saw a cultivated rice paddy in an area of no known villages, so we figured VC were growing their own food supply. We decided to take a low level look see, expecting to find the "farmers" nearby.

At about 100 ft of altitude, on a glide path to the rice paddy, we noticed a flock of about a dozen peacocks in/on the rice paddy. My pilot, on the intercom, told me to shoot them and take them back to the mess hall cooks.

So, as we dove down in attack mode befitting a WW II dive bomber, I unloaded a 20 round mag on full auto into the unaware flock.

Knocked down one bird, reloaded with another 20 rd mag at the fleeing flock - hit nothing!

Then, there was the Air Observer who engaged an elephant towing a light arty cannon - shot at him with 8 inch howitzer - 200 pound bullet, 2 ton target. Actually, very appropriate, I think.

Never hit the elephant - he was a moving target. Had to wait 5 to 10 minutes after every shot for the elephant to quit running. After about 5 rounds, the cannon was all bent up from being smashed into teak trees when the elephant ran amok everytime one of those 200 pound shells exploded near him. Mission accomplished - one enemy field piece destroyed!

DougU
February 11, 2012, 01:23 PM
I guess I must be inapprpriate because I don't shoot my compound bow "all year long" In fact, I may go as long as 2 months in the middle of winter without shooting it at all. The rest of the year I might only shoot a couple times a week so every deer and turkey I kill must also be inappropriate............:eek:

johnwilliamson062
February 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
DougU, I think he is talking more about people who bring it out a month before season and shoot it once or twice before they go out thinking it is a crossbow.

I do know a guy who sights his weapons on one day a week before season and that is it. He is in his 60s and spent a lot more time with them when he was younger. Once he shot a single shot with his muzzle loader at 125 yds, it was on target and he put it aside satisfied. He has hunted at least twice as long as I have been alive and no reports of him wounding anything that got away, so I can't judge. I know others who don't shoot well enough to be able to zero their shotguns at 45 yards with $50 worth of sabotted slugs.

rickyrick
February 11, 2012, 04:51 PM
Go to this thread post 27 we have a winner.http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4955284#post4955284

Trip286
February 11, 2012, 04:59 PM
Have not checked it out myself to find if it's fact or crap, but I hear Alabama has a spear season. I also know people who have hunted hogs with knives.

I think there is no such thing as an inappropriate hunting weapon, unless you go into the extreme overkill, like using a 20mm rifle for white tail.

There are, however, some inappropriate/irresponsible hunters out there.

samsmix
February 11, 2012, 05:08 PM
Okay I shouldda been more specific. I meant marginally capable weapons NOT designed for hunting. Antelope & larger is what I meant by med to large game. Not peafowl, poodles, mice or bunnies.

Microgunner
February 11, 2012, 05:13 PM
I know of a few white tails taken, successfully, with .22lr.

samsmix
February 11, 2012, 05:32 PM
I've known of some, and even seen it once, but I was thinking not so much of head shots as traditional heart & lung shots. Deer shot with .30 carbines, service pistols & service revolvers, prarie animals with shotguns or punkin' slingers...whatever.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I hunted whitetails with my brother who took 3 that day with a .375 H&H. He brought it for bison, but then found out he could buy surplus deer tags. Well, dead is dead. Meat damage was not so different fron an '06, which is really exactly what I expected.

tahunua001
February 11, 2012, 05:59 PM
while tail with an AR15(not 6.8) I've committed blasphemy:eek: I'm also doing my spring blackbear with a 303 instead of 375 or larger...what can I say? I'm an unethical and heartless bastard

samsmix
February 11, 2012, 06:03 PM
nope, you are a sane and sensible bastard.

Just kidding. Seriously though, I can't think of a cartidge much better suited to black bear than the .303.

TX Hunter
February 11, 2012, 06:44 PM
Well I have killed a Big Hog in the woods at night with a Ruger Single Six .22 Magnum Revolver, It was a lucky one shot kill, If I had not shot when I did, I dont know how it would have turned out. I was Coon Hunting, but walked upon this hog in the brush.

rickyrick
February 11, 2012, 06:55 PM
Well since the inception of this thread I got a mental scene of somebody punching an antelope in the grill with a set of brass knuckles.


But in the spirit of the op, I have to throw .30 carbine as the serious submission.

samsmix
February 11, 2012, 08:25 PM
Once, North of Grass Range, MT, I saw a white-haird & handlebar mustacioed man, with oversized cartridges stuffed in the loops of his safari shirt. He was fueling up one of the old Range Rovers with the hood mounted spare tire. When I commented that it seemed like overkill for antelope, he replied with an Austrian accent:

"Young man (I was 14) I hunt all over the world, and I hunt with one rifle."

He then showed me a BEAUTIFUL Mannlicher stocked rifle, in .375 H&H with double set triggers and detatchable scope mounts.

It left an impression. The whole "beware the man with one gun..." bit.

And thank you to those willing to stick to the origonal intent of this thread.

mightyoakwildlife
February 11, 2012, 09:09 PM
One season, I used my Sako Handy-Carbine in .375 H&H to thin out a couple dozen woodchucks in the neighbor's hay fields. Worked on a couple whitetails, also.

bamaranger
February 12, 2012, 12:02 AM
Any rifle you have not verified the zero on.

warbirdlover
February 12, 2012, 12:16 AM
I guess I must be inapprpriate because I don't shoot my compound bow "all year long" In fact, I may go as long as 2 months in the middle of winter without shooting it at all. The rest of the year I might only shoot a couple times a week so every deer and turkey I kill must also be inappropriate............

DougU, I think he is talking more about people who bring it out a month before season and shoot it once or twice before they go out thinking it is a crossbow.

I do know a guy who sights his weapons on one day a week before season and that is it. He is in his 60s and spent a lot more time with them when he was younger. Once he shot a single shot with his muzzle loader at 125 yds, it was on target and he put it aside satisfied. He has hunted at least twice as long as I have been alive and no reports of him wounding anything that got away, so I can't judge. I know others who don't shoot well enough to be able to zero their shotguns at 45 yards with $50 worth of sabotted slugs.

No offense. I've just gutted alot of deer and found alot of broadheads in them... :eek: I shouldn't have made that all year. I should have said "shot enough to guarantee making a killing shot at the range the shot is taken".

I know one guy would pull his bow out the day before the season started, shoot a couple arrows and he was ready. One time he stumbled and tripped (not really) and shot a deer at 60 yards. Then he bragged about doing it when in fact he couldn't hit a paper plate at 10 yards consistently. That was my point.

TXAZ
February 12, 2012, 12:18 AM
Ground hog vs. .50 BMG round

Deja vu
February 12, 2012, 10:27 AM
Ground hog vs. .50 BMG round

unless you plan to eat them :( that is a good way to learn to shoot a 50cal. Combined with good a range finder.

Creek Henry
February 12, 2012, 11:11 AM
The dumbest thing I've read in a hunting magazine was a guy that took an elk at 200 yards with a 243. The writer even stated that he thought it was a bad idea before he pulled the trigger.

RaySendero
February 12, 2012, 12:26 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/300px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg

The USS Iowa was the ultimate "varmit" gun!

Art Eatman
February 12, 2012, 07:13 PM
Creek Henry, I certainly wouldn't choose my .243 for an elk gun. However, with a patient and basically-lazy elk at only 200 yards? The neck shot would be a gimme.

Gunplummer
February 13, 2012, 01:27 PM
You mean .303 Savage, right?

Saltydog235
February 13, 2012, 01:51 PM
I killed a sow a couple of years ago duck hunting with a load of Heavyshot to the neck from about 10-12 feet. Those shells aren't cheap so I dispatched the two piglets with her with a boat paddle. Heck of a thing hitting the landing with no ducks (real warm and slow that morning) but with three pigs on the bow and one shot fired.

Wyoredman
February 13, 2012, 03:29 PM
Creek, I shot my elk this year with a .243, and she was at 200 yards! :D

Worked fine! The SKS on the antelope was the stangest gun I have seen used on game, but after some thought I don't think it was inapropriate.

I once used a .44 Mag S&W 629 on antelope. That might have been inapropriate because i couldn't hit anything! I'm not a good long distance pistol shot!

samsmix
February 13, 2012, 09:03 PM
Actually, I didn't specify Savage or British, but I'd use either .303 on black bear.

In truth, most antelope hunts are as much a road hunt as anything. You can try to spot and stalk, but as often as not you bump into them just over a rise in the two track road, and they are standing at less than 200yards, or running broadside at 50yards, and for that a .30-30 or SKS will do just fine.

Art Eatman
February 14, 2012, 06:43 AM
I guess sometimes a hot load from an '06 might be deemed "inappropriate":

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16431&d=1135262262

rickyrick
February 14, 2012, 07:03 AM
Looks like an alien spawn was born from that coyote, LOL.

Scorch
February 14, 2012, 08:00 PM
Inappropriate? Hmmm.
Colt Combat Commander in 45 ACP on a mulie? 5' is perfect range.
22LR on geese? Head shots only.
The red mist from a 22-250 on ground squirrels used to make my ex queasy.
Hmmm.
375 H&H on jackrabbits? Looks like science class.
30-30 in wild boar? No? How about right smack in the forehead from 15' away? Messy.
7X57 on bobcats? Really makes their eyes bug out if you hit them in the ear.
I think maybe the 8mm Rem Mag on a feral cat was inappropriate, but I'm not sure, couldn't find enough to check.

sserdlihc
February 14, 2012, 08:07 PM
I have friends who live in Florida that take deer with 22-250 and 17 Remington.

samsmix
February 14, 2012, 11:24 PM
The .22-250 will fell even a big MT Mulie with one well placed shot, as long as you use make good ammo choices, and pass on bad shot angles. The .17Rem....I know it gets done, I even know a local who has killed several does, a mountain lion, a few bobcats, and many coyotes with one, but I can't quite get myself past the fact that my childhood pellet gun was a .17.

TX Hunter
February 17, 2012, 11:51 AM
I reviewed your list, and 30 30 is great on Wild Boar, we have alot of them here, and many are killed with that cartridge, usually from a model 94 Winchester, or a Marlin.

Jo6pak
February 19, 2012, 12:41 PM
I find it amusing that threads like these always devolve into, "I killed a charging rhino with a .17HMR" type of stories. OK, I've seen my great uncle dispatch 400 pound pigs with a single shot from his .22 revolver, but he could walk up behind them and put a bullet directly into the brainstem. But this is more clsely related to turning off a light switch than it is to hunting.

It's not about what has been done, it's about using the correct tool for the job. I can use a butterknife to tighten a loose screw or a crescent wrench to hammer a nail, but is it the proper tool for the job?

Yes, in the stone age, bison were killed with sharpened sticks. But in the stone age no one cared if the animal was killed humanely, they only cared about the meat on the spit. WE, on the other hand, can go to a supermarket and buy our protein, thus we must be held to an ethical standard when hunting. That standard is to use the best possible way to kill an animal quickly and humanely.
If you need many caveats in defending ones choice for caliber/gun combinations, (ie. "If the range is kept short", "If the shots are precisely placed", etc.). Then maybe you should rethinkk your choices.

There will be many opinions on this subject, but it always comes back to using the proper tool for the job.

FairWarning
February 19, 2012, 01:01 PM
I wouldn't dream of using any handgun less than .357 Mag for whitetail.

And I stopped using 12 GA for squirrels around college age because it was a bit too much and really too easy. Same goes for semi-auto shotguns in general with a possible exception for birds, but even then I wouldn't use it. More of a challenge to harvest squirrel with .22 LR or a single barrel 20 GA.

I wouldn't bother with something as beastly as .375 H&H for anything in North America short of Kodiak.

Creek Henry
February 19, 2012, 01:04 PM
Creek Henry, I certainly wouldn't choose my .243 for an elk gun. However, with a patient and basically-lazy elk at only 200 yards? The neck shot would be a gimme.

I believe the author in question was using 55 grainer or there abouts though... I hope you were using 95gr!

Actually, the most horrid thing I've heard of was from my cousin-in-law who is mental whose discresions include but are not limited to: has shot powerlines with a 30-06, killed deer with 12 rounds from a 22lr rifle, killed a deer with 7 rounds of 12ga birdshot, and I was watched him twist the head almost off of a wounded jackrabbit. The dude scares me so I don't even varmint hunt with him anymore.

samsmix
February 19, 2012, 05:51 PM
Creek Henry,
Your cousin-in-law is an A........I guess I'm not supposed to use that word on TFL. Thank you for refusing to hunt with him. When he gets tired of finding new hunting partners, he'll hopefully quit hunting.

Joe6pak,
Would I hunt whitetails with a 9mm? Well....no. I was guiding a friend who shot a small buck with an '06. I brought my Browning HP to dispatch any wounded critters. I wanted to concentrate on helping him, not filling my own tag. As we approached his dead buck, a doe and fawn got up in front of him, and ran crossways in front of me at about 25 FEET, I put a 124gr hollowpoint into her front shoulder and lungs. She went down, and had we been at rifle distances I have no doubt we'd have found her dead. As she was so close, I walked over and shot her again in the head.

I have also used the .44spl/200gr Gold Dot @ 800fps from my Super Blackhawk to take both whitetails and mulies. They died. Fast.

Irish B
February 21, 2012, 04:27 AM
When I was 11 I used to try and go after coyotes with my pellet gun. Luckily I never got close enough to hit one. I feel that was an inappropriate weapon for the task I was trying to accomplish.

rickyrick
February 21, 2012, 05:46 AM
When I was a kid, I discovered that the box propped up with a stick with a long string attached never works, even after 746 attempts. Various lasso's and the like are inefficient also.

Colorado Redneck
February 21, 2012, 08:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18

This is one long shot, and made with a 243. For all of us naysayers, this is proof that elk can be taken over 200 yards with a 243. There are other videos on youtube by this same outfit. I have a small bit of suspicion that another shooter made the shot, but then again, what do I know? I ran the ballistics on JBM and the remaining energy at that distance is just under 1200 ft. lbs. of energy, the bareassed minimum according to experts, for taking elk.

samsmix
February 22, 2012, 12:56 AM
You know, I was thinking more of an incidental "it was the gun I had" type thing when I started this thread, not a confession booth for people who purposely chose a poor tool for the job.

Hansam
February 22, 2012, 01:59 AM
A couple years ago I took a running buck from about 75yds with a Chinese AK chambered in .223Rem. 6 pointer weighing just under 160lbs dressed. Neck shot - it flipped over in mid leap and died where it landed. Entry wound the size of a .223 bullet - exit wound the size of my hand.

A couple years before that I took a smaller buck - 4 pointer weighing about 100lbs dressed - with a custom 1911. 5" barrel, 230gr JHP - shot taken at 20yds. Head shot - the deer died where it stood.

Last year one of my neighbors took an 8 point buck with a .38sp revolver - 6.5" barrel. Weighed in at about 140lbs dressed - 15 yd shot he said - one bullet to the vitals and the buck ran 25yds then died.

All of these deer were whitetails.

1hogfan83
February 22, 2012, 09:55 AM
I think of it as more of a, where are you, distance, size of game, ect. I had a friend in college who bought a .300 weatherby mag. He talked me into going hunting with him and he got a pretty decent sized deer with that CANNON of a gun. Now arkansas isnt known for their huge deer and this deer was maybe 60 yards to say the most. It was way overkill. There was way overkill on the shoulder, well there was no shoulderS. Flipped the deer in the air. I've killed deer at 100 yards with my .270 wsm and they dropped right where they stood. Its just not ethical to use that big of a gun. If you were hunting elk, mulies, bears or whatever from 200+ maybe so but a mid size deer from 60 or so yards, come on.

Panfisher
February 22, 2012, 12:07 PM
I'll share a couple of " It was what I had at the time" sort of events.

1. Antelope hunting, prairie dogs, 7MM Mag, hot loaded 140 gr. Ballistic Tips, bad for prairie dogs.

2. .22 Hornet, white-tail doe, 50 yards, shot her in white patch as she looked at me, dropped her, but on cleaning VERY under-impressed with the damage done, I think if I had run up to her and cut her throat she would have soon gotten back up and run away to die later.

3. Again .22 Hornet, squirrels, kills them but messy, takes a head completely off without knocking them out of tree, weird.

4. 7MM Mag, hot loaded ballistic tip again, coyote at about 30 yards. Dropped instantly, when I picked it up its off side leg stayed on ground. Tough on the pelt.

carprivershooter
February 22, 2012, 12:37 PM
Were I live I have seen guys take white tails with a 22lr and a maglite at night. One shot one kill. Of course these gentlemen don't bother to buy a tag and take deer year around.:rolleyes:

Wyoredman
February 22, 2012, 01:03 PM
^^^ "Thats nothing to be proud off, Russ."

Panfisher
February 22, 2012, 03:02 PM
I know a few who have shot deer with a .22 LR and light, also they "miss" some. Obviously missed because they ran off, but I have found carcasses in the woods with bullet holes in face, or jaws broken too.