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TX Hunter
February 10, 2012, 05:57 PM
Hey I was just wondering if any of you fellows have bought one of these ?
They are advertized as being in Good Condition but watched a video and the man described alot of rust, deep comelene soaked stocks, and minor stock repair needed, but said the rifle was in good mechanical condition.
I keep looking at the picture of that 7x57 in the S O G sales paper, and am kind of wanting to get one, and clean it up, just wondering if the bores on these have been decent.
Anyone got one ?

Dfariswheel
February 10, 2012, 07:15 PM
A rule of thumb on surplus firearms that's been valid since the big post-war wave of surplus in the 1950's is this:

When the description is "Good Condition", you hear "Good to Very Good", the importer means "Fair to Good".

With "Good Condition" a South American surplus rifle is going to have a very frosty and probably pitted barrel, but it will still shoot acceptably.
Don't expect great groups at 100 yards, but the groups may be improved by counter-boring the muzzle.
Expect some small parts may need to be replaced and for pitting and rust under the wood.

landlord
February 10, 2012, 07:32 PM
I have one and will be posting pics shortly. I be leave mine to be in 30-06.

emcon5
February 11, 2012, 12:41 AM
You mean the VZ-24?

TX Hunter
February 11, 2012, 08:51 AM
Yes Its a Czec VZ-24 in 7x57.
I like the looks of them, and am thinking about buying one, and cleaning it.
I was just concerned about the rifleing being gone, wondering if anyone has bought one of these.

emcon5
February 11, 2012, 11:32 AM
I have been looking at the same thing. I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u05AC6KUYU

They look pretty tired. (well, that one does)

TX Hunter
February 11, 2012, 11:55 AM
Thanks for the link, I think Im gonna go ahead and get one of these, Its in rough shape, but I like the looks of the rifle, and the 7mm chambering.
Be kind of a nice project cleaning one up, and making it servicable again.

LarryNTX
February 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
I have one of the Century imports, which is probably the same batch that SOG has. Mine was completely black like the one in the video and had the oil soaked red silt under the hand guard. The red dirt actually seemed to preserve the metal, because there was no rust at all underneath. I would rate the condition as fair, but mechanically sound. The bore is dark and really dirty, but it shoots ok.
I gave it a good wash/scrubbing with BLO and four 0 steel wool and it cleaned up pretty good. I think it's fair deal for the money. I also got some of the 7mm surplus ammo from Samco.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/eightball44/SANY1008.jpg

TX Hunter
February 11, 2012, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the picture, I like the reddish collor on the stock, Is that the original color ?

LarryNTX
February 11, 2012, 03:45 PM
Yeah, that's what was under all the black.
I took the stock off and gave it a good soak in BLO and scrubbed a lot with steel wool then wiped it off. The bolt body has some stains and discoloration that could probably be polished out. I like the history behind these rifles. Originally a Chinese contract that fell through, then sold to the Brazillian rebels.

emcon5
February 11, 2012, 10:40 PM
That looks a hell of a lot better than the one in the video.

How is the import marking? I have seen some recent Century Mausers that are horrible.

LarryNTX
February 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
The mark on this one is fairly discreet on the bottom of the barrel just in front of the bayonet lug. The import serial number is dot matrix printed on the receiver.

emcon5
February 12, 2012, 01:38 AM
The import serial number is dot matrix printed on the receiver.

Right next to the the S/N the rifle came with, no doubt. So freaking stupid.

LarryNTX
February 12, 2012, 10:19 AM
Actually, these rifles have 4 serial numbers.
The original four digit factory number, then the Brazilian government added a new number when they captured the rifles from the rebels, a third number with a prefix of "PM" was added when they were issued to the military police, and finally the importer's number.

emcon5
February 17, 2012, 12:08 PM
Did you order one? I am thinking of pulling the trigger today.

On edit: Looks like I waited too long. They are out.

TX Hunter
February 17, 2012, 03:17 PM
Not Yet, waiting for Refund Check,:)

emcon5
February 17, 2012, 03:32 PM
You waited too long too, it seems.

Tried to order today, they are gone.

TX Hunter
February 17, 2012, 03:44 PM
Heck, I thought they had alot of them.

emcon5
February 17, 2012, 04:47 PM
I did just find this one though:

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=15698&osCsid=20b780324ec4c8bc9f621839c19cd0f7

Which I just ordered.

A little more money, but I get to see photos of the actual rifle I bought.

TX Hunter
February 18, 2012, 07:58 AM
Congratulations, Its a nice looking Rifle, lots of character, and it apears to have been cleaned up already. I hope you have lots of enjoyment with it.
Oh by the way, I love the website, I cant look at it eneough.:)

tobnpr
February 18, 2012, 08:28 AM
I was on the fence between the VZ-24, and the M24/47...
From what I'd gleaned online, it was more likely that the VZ's were going to be in somewhat ratty shape, while the M24/47's were likely to be brandy-new, unfired re-arsenals that had not seen the light of day since the late 40's.

I ordered the M24/47, and my only disappointment was the safety- it clearly indicated the rifle had been unfired since it was rebuilt :), because the safety was mismatched and just didn't work :(, and the rear action screw was too long and you couldn't even run the bolt (that was obviously an easy fix).

The barrel appears to be brand new.

TX Hunter
February 18, 2012, 08:40 AM
I have a Yugo 24 47 with bent down bolt handle that I bought special select from Samco Global Arms, it was a special select, and my friend, It was like new, shoots good, and is perfect in everyway. I was just wanting something in 7MM Mauser. If you buy from Samco Global Arms, they are a pain to deal with but usually have good stuff.
I like S O G, they seem alot nicer and easier to deal with. :)

emcon5
February 18, 2012, 11:53 AM
Oh by the way, I love the website, I cant look at it enough.

Yeah, they have some pretty amazing stuff, with prices to match:

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?cPath=350_351_357&products_id=17947&osCsid=20b780324ec4c8bc9f621839c19cd0f7


I wanted a Carbine length 7mm Mauser as well, and that really limits the choices, to either these VZ24s or Spanish 1916s. The Spaniards are probably in better shape, but the only folks who have them are "Hunter's Lodge" and those guys don't exactly have a stellar reputation.

With the VZ at least, it is a 98 action, so if I get it and it is an utter POS with a smooth bore, I still have options. I would have less with the small-ring Spanish Mauser

TX Hunter
February 18, 2012, 12:12 PM
I have a 1916 Spanish Mauser, it took me 6 months to get it, Mine is chambered for .308 So I hand load very mild cartridges for it I have fired some Nato The Rifle is very accurate, and unlike many mausers, the sights are regulated for a dead on hold. I back Ordered one from Samco Global, it took FOR EVER. :D

emcon5
February 28, 2012, 09:56 PM
Got mine today, and was pretty happy until I took it out of the stock:


http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/vz24pit4.jpg
http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/vz24pit1.jpg
http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/vz24pit2.jpg
http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/vz24pit3.jpg

tobnpr
February 29, 2012, 10:01 PM
Man, that sucks. Sort of confirms what I posted above, the best of the Vz's are long gone...

I guess we can't expect them to remove the actions from every Mauser they sell to inspect and take pictures, but one can't help but feel ripped off I guess, wondering if they did know about the pitting below the stock line and just didn't disclose it.

After reviewing their description of the rifle (the info on the one you bought is still online) it appears they did a fairly thorough inspection of the rifle. It's not like they posted a "generic" picture and told you they were gonna pick one out of a crate, and you would get, what you would get...

I would send them the pics, and ask them how they failed to notice/disclose the severe pitting at the stock line.

While the underside of the barrel would not have been visible to them, the last picture- of the severe pitting of the front of the action below the SN- is above the stock line- and was surely visible, and should have been disclosed to you, IMO.

emcon5
March 1, 2012, 01:24 AM
It just barely pokes above the stock line there, and only on the right side., I think I see it because I know it is there.

I doubt they took it out of the stock, with the funky screw in the barrel band it is kind of a pain. Honestly, had I been there to look at it in person, I probably still would have bought it.

I am leaning toward shooting it. The worst pit is the second photo above, and while it is not easy to measure, at its deepest point it seems to be about .75mm, maybe a little less.

At that point the barrel diameter is 16.5mm, so the barrel wall is about 4.75mm thick there.

It is before the barrel step, where the diameter drops to ~15.5, with 4.25mm walls.

If you consider the 8X57 versions, the barrel has the same profile, so the barrel walls would be 4.25mm and 3.75mm before and after the barrel step.

If you look at it that way, I still have more metal at that pit than parts of an 8mm barrel.

I may also try and find a replacement barrel for it. Haven't decided yet.

TX Hunter
March 2, 2012, 05:08 PM
Im sorry to hear of the severe pitting you may be able to repair it though.
If its still thick eneough to be safe.