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shiloh buck hunter
February 10, 2012, 03:12 PM
i am looking to buy a new rifle in a couple wks. i know i want a 308 win but not sure if i want a remington 700 sps varmint of the savage 10 fp. any help in deciding would be great.

golfnutrlv
February 10, 2012, 03:39 PM
Both are excellent choices. You can't go wrong with either in my opinion.

I own the exact 700 you are looking at. Have changed the stock and trigger, but the gun has been great from day 1.

The Remington is more customizable, has more aftermarket stocks and parts availalbe.

The savage is supposed to be a little more accurate out of the box, but I do not own one, so can't comment.

Enjoy...
http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr205/golfnutrlv/Remington%20700/DSC01655.jpg

blacksky
February 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
Savage Model 10 FCP #19058S

24 inch fluted heavy barrel with 5R rifling Matte finish

11.25 inch twist.

5/8x24 threads for suppressor with thread protector

Black AccuStock

Detachable box magazine

Magazine Capacity 4 Rounds

AccuTrigger with 1.5 to 5 pound pull

Caliber: .308 Win

Average price $760.oo

shiloh buck hunter
February 10, 2012, 04:39 PM
thanks the savage i have been looking at is an older model i believe, my local gun shop has it on a closeout sale, i know it has the accu trigger, 5 round top load mag, 24" barell, with synthetic stock in 308. i am looking to set it up for hunting and probably some bench rest shooting, i am not familiar with the remington x mark pro trigger, so that is y i have been leaning to the savage, also i wanna make sure my wife and son can shoot it and not be put through any punishment, does anyone think that one is better than the other for my situation? Would a 223 be better i was hoping to use it for coyotes, groundhogs, and some big game animals also(deer and maybe bear)

precision_shooter
February 10, 2012, 04:43 PM
Here is my Box Stock Savage 10 FCP. Came with the stock you see. I added the Scope Base, Rings and Scope, as well as the bi-pod...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66948&d=1296686858

Saltydog235
February 10, 2012, 04:47 PM
I own both in different variations. My 700 is a 7mm08 SPS Varmint and flat out shoots though I had to do some things to make it personally acceptable and therefore have more tied up in it.

My Savage 10 is a Precsion Carbine and it too flat out shoots but costed a few $100.00 less when everything was factored in.

Golfnutriv, is that the Blackhawk cheek rest? Where did you get it?

Txhillbilly
February 10, 2012, 06:09 PM
The only Remington that I'd buy is the 700-5R,they are a great rifles out of the box.
I have 5 Savage heavy barreled rifles,Model 12 FLVSS 223,FLV 308,and a Model 10 FCP 308,Model 110 FLP 25/06 and 300 Win Mag.All 5 are excellent shooters.

Tikka,CZ,and Howa also make some nice heavy barreled rifles in the same price ranges as Savage and Remington.

blacksky
February 10, 2012, 08:39 PM
Why would anyone buy a Cooper, Tikka, Sako, and spend all that money when a Savage is just as accurate or has better accuracy right out of the box?

How do Northland, Shilen, Lothar Walther, Krieger, or who ever is selling so called premium after market barrels for Savages, stay in business?

Why would anyone want to buy a premium replacement barrel when the Savage factory barrels shoot dime sized groups with factory ammo?


15 Year old girl wins first in her class! Shooting a factory Savage of course...

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...f-class-match/

How do these other companies stay in business, competing against Savage rifles that are accuracy superior?

How many Remingtons do you think she shot against?

PawPaw
February 10, 2012, 09:30 PM
Why would anyone want to buy a premium replacement barrel when the Savage factory barrels shoot dime sized groups with factory ammo?

So we can change caliber, of course. Or, we can take an el-cheapo Savage and turn it into a heavy-barreled wondergun. Yeah, switching barrels on a Savage is half the fun.

blacksky
February 10, 2012, 09:59 PM
I would call all 4 of my Savage rifles Wonderguns straight out of the box!:D

TacticalDefense1911
February 10, 2012, 10:36 PM
The 700 has better aftermarket availability; its pretty much the 350 chevy of the gun world. If you do not plan on doing a lot of mods to the gun then the Savage 10fp is an excellent gun. I think that Savage puts out a consistently better product then Remington right now. That said I just went with the Remington 700 SPS varmint, but I plan on replacing the stock and barrel at some point in its life. Not much difference between the two guns performance wise at the end of the day.

Last Escape Pod
February 11, 2012, 01:47 AM
@ golfnutrlv

What's the thing on your rifle stock? It looks like a neat accessory I might get.

Blind Dog Jake
February 11, 2012, 05:02 AM
I Googled --- rifle stock pack and can't find the one Golfnutrlv has,still lookin'.

taylorce1
February 11, 2012, 07:06 AM
. Last Escape Pod @ golfnutrlv

What's the thing on your rifle stock? It looks like a neat accessory I might get.

His stock looks like a Bell & Carlson. You might try searching Stocky's Stocks for it.

shiloh buck hunter
February 11, 2012, 09:07 AM
seriously starting to lean towards the savage even though its the 110 model and no the 10 that i originally thought, the only thing that i am wondering on now is the difference between the x-mark pro trigger on the remington, or the savage accutrigger. my local gun club has a stock deer hunter rifle class that i would like to participate in to start getting used to the competition scene. So whats the difference, is one better than the other or what?

precision_shooter
February 11, 2012, 10:52 AM
The Xmark Pro trigger was Remington's attempt to put out a user adjustable trigger that could compete with the accutrigger. They have had quite a few problems with them since they were introduced and IMO they are nowhere near as good as the accutrigger.

blacksky
February 11, 2012, 11:20 AM
The Accutrigger is as close to a adjustable custom trigger as you'll find on a out of the box rifle at Savage price points! I have 3 Savage bolt rifles with Accutriggers and have learned to use and love each one individually. The Accutrigger has been a big part of that experience. :cool:

brian923
February 11, 2012, 12:30 PM
I own savages because they have a huge amount of aftermarket parts and i can change the caliber at will. Its a tinkerers gun. I do have a rem 700 in 300 saum that i got from my dad in a trade for an old mauser. I havent shot it yet because my savage gets in the way! I always here people say that the rem has way more aftermarket, but that was years ago. the savage crowd is cathing up quickly. Dont get me wrong, rem makes a wonderful rifle. I just prefer savage.

golfnutrlv
February 11, 2012, 12:34 PM
The Xmark Pro trigger was Remington's attempt to put out a user adjustable trigger that could compete with the accutrigger. They have had quite a few problems with them since they were introduced and IMO they are nowhere near as good as the accutrigger.

I have to agree with this. Never had an technical issue with the trigger. I felt that I could change it and make the rifle more accurate (by eliminating some "me" factor).

I installed a Timney Trigger W/Safety in mine, factory set at 1.5 pounds. I can get away with this because it is s target rifle.

shiloh buck hunter
February 12, 2012, 01:30 AM
ok so i decided to go with the savage 110fp with the accutrigger, now what kind of optics should i consider, i wanna be able to eventually shoot out to possibly the 800-1000 yd mark, but really dont wanna sink every last penny i got into the scope, i primarily will be hunting varmints, predators, and deer with it. i personall don't like the mil dot style reticles if i dont have to.

PawPaw
February 12, 2012, 08:54 AM
now what kind of optics should i consider, i wanna be able to eventually shoot out to possibly the 800-1000 yd mark, but really dont wanna sink every last penny i got into the scope, For shooting that distance, you're probably going to spend every last dollar you have in the scope. Think Nightforce, US Optics, or high end Leupold. What will become more important at those distances is learning to read wind. Without that ability you'll simply be lost as windage at that distance is measured in feet, not inches.

I routinely shoot out to 300-500 yards, but I'm a hunter and I want to shoot to those distances primarily as an exercise. Going out farther than that means it's time to step up the equipment. There are lots of good 300-500 yard scopes out there that are affordable, but once you get past that distance you'll be spending much more for the scope than you paid for the rifle.

4runnerman
February 12, 2012, 09:51 AM
I had the older model you are talking about.Just traded it in on a Savage 12 FVSS. The model you are looking at is very accurate. I had no problems hitting a golf ball 9 out of 10 times at 300 yards with it. The only change i made,being i bench shoot only,was to add 8 lbs of #4 shot to it. It came in at just short of 16 lbs,but was a dream to shoot. I would take that over any other choice out there.
Out of the box accuracy can not be beat by any one. As for shooting 1000 yards, The scope will come into play on that. I shoot mine a lot from 600 to 1000 yards also. Here is where i get beat up by everyone in here. I do not believe in spending thousands on a scope. To me that is the biggest scam out there. I shoot as good(actually first year in comp this year i out shot 11 of 13 veterans).
I do it with a UTG scope $200.00 and some change. 8-32 x 56. Crystal clear and will go from 600 yards to 1000 with repeatability all the time, But the scope thing is your call. Back to the Savage rifle. I say go for it and you will not be dissapointed. If you do,drop me a line ,i have a load for that thing that will knock your socks off. Save you the time of load development for sure.

shiloh buck hunter
February 12, 2012, 10:54 AM
ok so i did get some advice on scopes but i feel the same way, that high dollar models are a gimmick, and it will probably take a while to change my opinion on that, a few yrs ago i out shot the top four shooters at my local club at 200 yds with a 3-9x40 tasco world class on 3 power cause i forgot to turn up the magnification. i was thinking about either a nikon, or bushnell, maybe spring on a leupold. now i have also heard that simmons has a few options also for some long range shooting like the predator quest series, so many choices not sure how to choose......

taylorce1
February 12, 2012, 01:58 PM
Right now CameralandNY has a Vortex Viper 6.5-20X44 for sale for $279. I'd seriously consider one of those if I were you and shooting at known ranges. It has a wide duplex reticle, and it is $459 for the BDC and MilDot scopes in the same power range.

My long range rifle wears a 3-10X40 Weaver GS Tactical which is $299 right now at Midway. They can only be bought at Midway as well. Not a bad scope for the money, but you'll probably need a 20 MOA base to get out to 1000 yards with either scope.

arizona98tj
February 12, 2012, 06:39 PM
I put a Vortex Viper PST on my Savage 10 FCP HS-Precision mid last year and haven't regretted it a bit. It replaced a Bushnell Elite 4200 FFP mil/mil. The Viper PST I installed was a 4-16x50mm illuminated FFP mil/mil. This Savage was the first gun I had ever spent money on for a FFP optic and my only regret is not having done it on prior rifles.

The Viper PST is good glass and if you get on some of the forums that are more precision rifle focused, you'll see they have a good following. I've had mine out to 600 yds and see no problem stretching that out to 1000 yds....other than me not doing it justice. :D

shiloh buck hunter
February 12, 2012, 09:05 PM
ok i purchased the savage model 10fxp in 308 win it came as a package deal at my gun shop i bought it 2 boxes of factory ammo, a cleaning kit and a coupl other accessories for just over 500 :) the scope is a bushnell sharpshooter in 3-9x 40 not my best choice but i couldnt beat the price. and yes it does have the accutrigger, lol. now i'm going to shoot it and practice with it for awhile, before i start handloading for it. is there y bullets that perform better than others, i wanna primarily shoot varmint, predator, and target, and occasionally big game from a shooting bench in my box blind, alomg our family bean field.