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Irish B
February 1, 2012, 12:51 PM
For those of you who still doubt the accuracy of the mosin it still amazes me how flat it shoots. Yesterday I took it out for some long range shooting. Set up targets at 200, 250, 300, 350 and was able to land decent groups at all ranges. For those who care I have an ati stock, bipod, flash suppressor, 16x50 scope.

TexasJim
February 1, 2012, 01:11 PM
How did you mount your scope? Any pics?

rickyrick
February 1, 2012, 01:47 PM
Mine seems ok, just coke cans and stuff since I've owned it.


One day I will stretch it out there

BigMikey76
February 1, 2012, 02:02 PM
I'd like to see that scope mount, as well. The only reason I haven't bought one is because I can't see how to get glass on it...

kraigwy
February 1, 2012, 02:14 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Mosins if one takes the time to learn to shoot it.

Mine is still in "as issued" condition and I have no problem whacking my gongs out to 400 yards (max length of my range).

That's its orginal iron sights.

Irish B
February 1, 2012, 06:46 PM
Scope is mounted on a tri rail mount just in front of the bolt. Almost like a pistol mount but further back. Took some getting used to but I'm happy with it now. The tri rail mounts in place of the rear adjustable sight. Btw i was using tulammo and russian surpluss fmj ammo. I ran some 200gr Winchester jsp through it and it seemed a little less stable but was still pretty accurate.

xxxleafybugxxx
February 1, 2012, 06:49 PM
Please tell more about this mount. I took the rear irons off, but need to find a GOOD mount for this gun. Could you post some pics, and tell what brand of mount you have??

rickyrick
February 1, 2012, 06:56 PM
I believe that mount is at cheaper than dirt.

Where did you get the suppressor?

Smokey Joe
February 2, 2012, 11:50 AM
Irish B--It never happened. "Decent groups" could be = "Minute of barn door" or could be = "minute of angle."

Not saying you didn't do the shooting, just show us what you got please! :)

KLRANGL
February 2, 2012, 12:36 PM
I have heard good things about the Brass Stacker mount. Does not require permanent modification to the rifle, and allows you to keep your rear sight leaf.
http://brassstacker.com/mosin-nagant/scope-mount/

I believe Nutnfancy did a review on this mount.

Most Mosins I know of shoot quite well, even with only iron sights and without any gunsmithing work. There are things you can test/look for to make sure you have a good shooting rifle: check headspace (a no-go gauge is 30 bucks, and you should at least have a field gauge to make sure it is safe to shoot), check for worn rifling/crown, make sure the barrel slugs as close to .311 as possible (I got lucky there with mine), and keep those screws tight.

xxxleafybugxxx
February 2, 2012, 12:48 PM
I already took my rear sights off though

KLRANGL
February 2, 2012, 01:25 PM
Then put it back on ;)

Nutnfancy review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOmqUdhJm_8

boostedtt91
February 2, 2012, 10:35 PM
The best scope mount out there for Mosin besides the original mount is the Rock Solid Industries mount. You have to take it to a gunsmith to have your receiver drilled and tapped, but its the only real way to mount a scope securely i believe. I just don't feel comfortable using the mounts that replace the rear sight

trg42wraglefragle
February 3, 2012, 05:14 AM
Whats your definition of good groups though?
1 MOA? 4 MOA? A car?
Some measurements could be useful.

Most people who shoot MN's seem to just run the cheapest ammo they can through them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they shot reasonably well with some decent ammo.

tobnpr
February 3, 2012, 10:23 AM
Here's mine from a crappy day a couple of weeks ago, wind was 1/4 value gusting over 15 mph from the right...

Only shot a few of these, 300 yards paper, then moved to steel at 565 yards.
Low right flier was me...this was pretty typical, right about minute of angle if you take out my screw up. 174 grain SMK's.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/tobnpr/IMAG0617.jpg

Kreyzhorse
February 4, 2012, 07:38 AM
"Decent groups" could be = "Minute of barn door" or could be = "minute of angle."

My thoughts exactly but that isn't to say that the Mosin can't be an accurate gun as Topnpr posted below.

Mine is plenty accurate with open sights and it would be a fine hunting rifle up to 100 yards.

SurplusShooter23
February 4, 2012, 07:42 AM
A lot of the bores on them are oversized. If you reload, slug the bore with a fishing sinker then measure. Having a good bullet dia to bore size will most likely in crease accuracy quite a bit.

Tempest 455
February 4, 2012, 09:24 AM
Iron sights at 100 yards with my M44.

https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/1DSCN7559.JPG

benogil
February 4, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sometimes, a Mosin shoots very well - http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=185&t=115547

tobnpr
February 4, 2012, 12:57 PM
I need to add that the above target wasn't shot with a stock rifle...but that's probably fairly obvious.
Receiver and pillar bedded in a Boyd's stock, Timney trigger, barrel shortened and target crowned...and of course, handloads...

aarondhgraham
February 4, 2012, 01:22 PM
In the past I've owned:

British .303
K-98 8mm Mauser
Enfield 30-06
7.7 Japanese
And a few others


All of them with the exception of the 7.7 Japanese,,,
Would hit a man-sized target at 400 yards,,,
I used to have good eyes. ;)

The only reason the 7.7 wouldn't do it,,,
Was the crown was worn to an oval by bad cleaning techniques.

The Mosin was a quality built rifle,,,
But it really wasn't any better than the other common milsurps.

They sure are a lot less expensive than the others though,,,
But $109.00 in todays money is similar to $20.00 in early-60's money.

Not ragging on the folk who own and love their Mosins,,,
I just don't see why they think their performance is extraordinary.

Aarond

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kraigwy
February 4, 2012, 01:30 PM
Whats your definition of good groups though?
1 MOA? 4 MOA? A car?

I can't speak for others, but my opinion is 3.5 MOA.

Where I get that number is from the CMP GSM Vintage Military Rifle Matches.

The CMP GSM uses the NRA 200 yard High Power Target. The X-10 ring of that target is 3.5 MOA.

That's the goal I use for working up loads for a military surplus rifle. Most can do it, its the shooter that's the weak link in the chain.

raven11
February 4, 2012, 01:51 PM
You don't have to have a scout setup to scope a mosin

http://www.jmeckscopemounts.com/

tobnpr
February 4, 2012, 02:06 PM
You don't have to have a scout setup to scope a mosin


I used a Weaver Side Mount. Not a fan of scout scopes...not enough magnification for my application anyway.
Others are adaptable as well with a little ingenuity.

TriumphGuy
February 4, 2012, 04:23 PM
I just don't see why they think their performance is extraordinary.

Pretty extraordinary for a $100 centerfire rifle. :D

My favorite milsurp is a K31 and while it will out shoot the average Mosin, it also cost me twice as much, plus considerably more to feed.

rickyrick
February 4, 2012, 04:25 PM
Same here, 79 $ and the best condition milsurp I've ever put my hands on.

tobnpr
February 4, 2012, 08:53 PM
My favorite milsurp is a K31 and while it will out shoot the average Mosin, it also cost me twice as much, plus considerably more to feed.

My younger son wanted one for Xmas, so I picked one up.
Took it and a few boxes of GP11 with us to the range a few weeks ago for the first time.

Mind you, we never shoot irons (except our handguns), all our rifles are scoped for long range. My 14 year old chambers a round, sights the 100 yard target, and hits within 2" of the bulls on the first shot...
Then my older son gets behind it, and does the same thing...hands the rifle to me, and a third good hit. Never fired the rifle before, and three of us nailed it on the first three rounds. Amazingly accurate rifle...I can't wait to scope it and handload for it. I was impressed with the GP11 ammo (except for the price). Since those are 174 grain pills, it should really like the 175 SMK's we use in his .308.

jimbob86
February 4, 2012, 09:37 PM
Not a fan of scout scopes...not enough magnification for my application anyway.


And that application is .......?
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".....and what we want/and what we need/has been confused, been confused".....- Finest Worksong, R.E.M.

tobnpr
February 5, 2012, 09:41 AM
600-1000.

I'm not interested in starting a pizzing contest. I know it can be done with less magnification, I prefer more when conditions permit.

joseywales87
February 9, 2012, 09:02 PM
I want one of these babies, but I cant find the m44 carbines anywhere.

Mosinka
February 10, 2012, 01:33 PM
josey, I don't know where you live, but you can try http://www.armslist.com (http://www.armslist.com)

They're around. But make sure you check the barrel on a Mosin M44. That model has more of a reputation for rough barrels than the others, from what I'm hearing and from what I've experienced.

I personally find the longer barreled M91/30 more enjoyable to shoot, but the M44 is pretty exciting on occasion if you're in the mood for some dramatic muzzle flash, and the folding SKS style bayonet is nice to have.

If the shorter barrel is your main concern, there are some beautiful M91/59's floating around. That model is not as rare as claimed, from what I've seen at gun shows. They're frequently mistaken for the M38. The M38 is another option to keep an eye out for. Essentially the same as the M44, but without the bayonet. The M91/59 also lacks the bayonet. Check armslist, and keep looking.

tobnpr
February 10, 2012, 03:18 PM
If you just want a shorter barrel, get a 91/30, break out the hacksaw, and get a PTG 11 degree crown cutting tool :)

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/tobnpr/IMAG0580.jpg

savage1r
February 10, 2012, 04:20 PM
I'm happy hitting 1000 yards 3/5x (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl3JRI75SsI).

tobnpr
February 10, 2012, 05:01 PM
Diameter of that gong at 1000?

savage1r
February 10, 2012, 07:22 PM
That's the unimpressive part, lol, 44".

Mosinka
February 10, 2012, 09:01 PM
http://youtu.be/DPA0m8H9BgI

http://youtu.be/PbMIJMlEN6M

droptrd
February 11, 2012, 12:46 AM
I have the brass stacker mount on my wish list. But with iron sights I hit less then 2 inch groups at 100 yds consistently. My eyes rant much good past that. I've taken 3 coyote with my 91/30. Mine is dated 1942. Lots of fun. I really want the mount and a pistol scope.

Bamashooter
February 11, 2012, 01:04 AM
I have a 1929 91/30, 1953 Hungarian M-44, and a 91/59. The Hungarian is the best shooter out of the group. I killed a doe a couple years back at over 200yrds. I was using S&B 174gr. SMK. The 91/30 is the most pleasant to shoot. They all shoot pretty good whats needed is plenty of range time to get acquainted with your rifle. I used the 91/30 right after halloween to ''kill'' some pumpkins and was blowing them into tiny little pieces at 75yrds. I bought 2 tins of Bulgarian heavy ball thats brass cased but corrosive and they all seem to like it. Its getting harder to find though.

tobnpr
February 11, 2012, 09:10 AM
That's the unimpressive part, lol, 44".

I thought it looked kinda big...:)

But with a scout scope, and surplus ammo- not bad ;)

Irish B
February 22, 2012, 03:10 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/15gw77s.jpg

Coyote_Buster700
February 22, 2012, 04:44 PM
A Mosin will be the next gun I purchase.