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Doc Maker
January 25, 2012, 11:57 PM
Sims training for civilians has arrived. This place is about to open in WA State near Seattle. www.CascadiaTactical.com

Doc Maker
February 16, 2012, 03:07 AM
Classes begin March 3rd! Register Today.

jimmythegeek
February 16, 2012, 02:20 PM
Paintball on steroids?

silvermane_1
February 21, 2012, 07:11 AM
interesting...

Doc Maker
March 5, 2012, 01:21 PM
Cascadia Tactical is official... http://simunition.com/en/range_program/united_states/Washington

After some permitting issues, we've moved to a way better building in Kent. Trying to explain Simunitions to a lay person is difficult, at best. We're now in Kent, WA in a fantastic building with the space to recreate nearly any scenario.

Doc Maker
April 5, 2012, 10:46 PM
Classes officially start this Saturday!
We've been busy building a brand, spankin' new 4000sf shoot house for your force on force enjoyment. We have a range of scenarios ready to go with different rooms to challenge the shooter.
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MLeake
April 6, 2012, 07:44 AM
jimmythegeek, not sure how the perceived impact compares to a paintball, but the point of simunition ammo is that it can be shot from modified service weapons. IE, you can train at FOF with something similar to a duty carry weapon.

Hansam
April 6, 2012, 03:37 PM
It may not be my place to make this assumption but why does this thread sound a lot like spam?

Low count user comes on and posts a one liner with a link (drive by)

Sims training for civilians has arrived. This place is about to open in WA State near Seattle. www.CascadiaTactical.com

Then makes another one line post about classes beginning.

In this poster's third post on this thread he/she finally shows that they are actually affiliated with the group/business that they were posting about.

The fourth and final post is another message about when classes start and cryptic pictures of a half finished maze of doors and walls.

No supporting information has been provided thus far and nothing in the way of insight. Personally if I were looking for a place to practice and especially use something like simmunitions I'd steer clear of any place that chooses to advertise itself in such a manner.

Just my opinion here though - take it as you will.

masotti
April 6, 2012, 03:48 PM
I live in Washington State. (Olympia to be exact) I have never heard of this place. However the post by hansam seems to make sense to me. And I understand simunition is not paintball, but actual ammo with chalk rounds and less powder. Yes it require a modified weapon to use. But, in a place like those pictures I'm not sure it would be safe. And yes I am new to the forum.

farmerboy
April 6, 2012, 04:11 PM
Don't waste your time or money. Paintball is just as much lifelike as the real deal, prob cheaper and good practice. Plus it hurts more and you try to not get shot as much because of the pain.

Doc Maker
April 7, 2012, 01:59 AM
I understand your concerns Hansam. I apologize for any breach in forum etiquette. I haven't done a lot of posting on this forum. I usually spend time on Beretta Forum and Zombie Squad. Enos during USPSA season, all with the same user name. It is certainly NOT my intention to spam. I have been busy getting ready to open up and I'm looking for feedback, nothing more.

Farmer, the FX round is designed to match the ballistics of a live round out to 50 yards AND train with your own firearm. Not some gas operated contraption with a big ass hopper on top. It is expensive, around .87¢/rnd. The FX Simunition round isn't chalk, it is a detergent based marking round. Our new shoot house is specifically designed for Sims. NO LIVE AMMO! City inspected and approved, we have a well engineered shoot house that provides multiple training environments. Sims have only been available to the civilian training market since August, 2011. We are the first facility of the kind in WA and we've had a lot of interest in the program. Much of that from this thread.

I would very much appreciate your input on the type of training you'd like to get. If anyone would like to come by and tour the facility, I'm happy to show you around.

Glenn E. Meyer
April 8, 2012, 09:37 AM
Paintball handguns and long arms are not similar to the sims guns. Have used both in training exercises.

Doc Maker
April 13, 2012, 10:06 PM
This coming Saturday, April 21, I would like to invite one & all to come out to our facility in Kent, WA for an open house.

We also have a very special class coming up in may...
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arentol
April 14, 2012, 02:42 PM
3 miles from my home. I may have to stop by for the open house. At the very least I can provide an objective report to this forum.

kittyhawk03
April 14, 2012, 11:09 PM
I have been lurking here a long time and heard about this place from this thread. Since it was only 30 minutes from our place in Lynnwood, my husband and I stopped by last week and one of the owners showed us through their shoot house and let us shoot some of their ammo through one of their training guns.

My husband and I took the class today and we got home a few hours ago and we both thought it was a huge eye opener! Our experience was one that couldn't be matched on the one other training class we took together last year because paper targets don't react and shoot back! The welts we got from the role players will leave a mark for a week or so, but the experience will stay with my husband and me for the rest of our lives. We won't ever think about convenient stores or strange people hanging around parking lots ever again!

My husband has taken more shooting classes than I have, but he said he had little experience dealing with some of the stuff the instructors put him in. He said he thought about what he would do in a robbery, but after actually being put in the situation, it all went out the window because everything went so fast that he almost completely froze!

We will definitely be taking another class from these guys as well as more live fire classes in the coming months from other places in the area. We both feel more confident with carrying a pistol because the instructors would talk with me about what happened during the class on a one on one basis and how we could improve. I highly recommend that you at least visit their facility and talk with their instructors before making any judgements or calling it paintball. They told us police officers have been using this training for many years and I don't think the police departments would waste their money if it wasn't worth it.

Doc Maker
April 23, 2012, 05:02 PM
I want to thank everyone for coming out on Saturday. It was really great to see all of the support. We've decided to add a new feature to our program. Starting this Saturday, Zombie Day begins!! For the low, low price of just $35.00, you can load up and clear our shoot house of these pesky zombies. Our landlord won't take care of the problem so we need your help. Keep checking our website and this thread for updates this week.

We are also going to begin Ladies Night on Thursday's Updates forthcoming.

Doc Maker
April 24, 2012, 03:10 AM
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Hansam
April 24, 2012, 04:07 PM
EDITED: Nope, not even worth saying what I'd said...

NWGlocker
April 24, 2012, 08:55 PM
I will keep an open mind here and try to check out the organization in person.

Re previous posts: I imagine paintball can be close to simunition training but isn't it hard to find a paintball gun that resembles your own pistol? Also, I notice a good number of paintball competitions are literally spray and pray games, especially with those 100+ hopper/feeders.

insomni
April 24, 2012, 09:11 PM
n/m already said.

Longdayjake
April 26, 2012, 11:11 AM
Having used simunitions in actual training situations I can say the upsides to simunition over paintball is that you can practice drawing and firing from the actual holster you would be wearing in real life situations. It also has sights for you to use.

Doc Maker
April 26, 2012, 06:38 PM
Exactly right Jake. You're able to use your own pistol, most of the time. Or at least one similar. For rifle training, just bring your AR and we swap out the BCG. That's it.

There's an update to the Iain Harrison class...

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h376/DocMakerAR/CTIainflyer.jpg

Doc Maker
May 6, 2012, 11:01 PM
After the popularity of Zombie Day, we're doing it every Saturday now.
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Doc Maker
May 27, 2012, 02:58 PM
For some reason, I cannot edit my own posts, so here is an update on the low light simunitions class with Iain Harrison...
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MLeake
May 27, 2012, 10:02 PM
I think the ability to edit posts is taken away after the post has been in the forum for something like four days; this prevents edits after the fact from causing a thread to make no sense.

NWGlocker
July 10, 2012, 11:11 PM
Thought I'd post an update about the group.

Took a shortened version of what looks like their Defensive Handgun I class. I went in there expecting to learn some handling skills with a simunition pistol. Instead I went through multiple self defense scenarios—at home, on the street, in a store and in a restaurant. The most unexpected thing was that I was learning more about how to act and react in these scenarios. Never experienced this kind of simulation, so I also learned a little about how I (a lot of times wrongly) acted when in a confrontation.

In other words, the class was more than just “how to use a gun”. In fact, gun handling training was pretty minimal to the point that complete firearm noobs -- for example those that don't know the Cooper's 4 rules of safety by heart-- or people that don't know how to draw from a holster, might struggle a little.

Expect to get bruised in the class-- even though we're loaned face/eye/neck/groin protection, I was wearing a long sleeve cotton rugby shirt and I should've worn something thicker. Yes, I was "shot" and "stabbed"...but I'm learning.

Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised by what Cascadia Tactical has to offer. It's pricey, but I'm going to guess it's because of the simunition gear and the fact that there are multiple instructors. One is your "chief" instructor that debriefs you after scenarios, but there are anywhere from 4-5 other instructors who act as "bystander/perp/victims" in the scenario as well. Oh, and they're probably observing how you act/shoot. That's a lot of people.

Cascadia Tactical's handgun classes takes you beyond square ranges, and even beyond traditional shoot-with-real-ammunition classes. I plan to incorporate simunitions in my training.