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380acp
January 18, 2012, 02:18 PM
I was walking around my local dicks sporting goods store and stop to look at 22 rifles only to see a Remington 870 looking clone made in china for $160. I am in need of a shotgun as I am just getting into firearms. are they any good? Are the part interchangeable with the rem 870? Just want to know I am picking up a ruger 1022 I ordered in so well be there on monday and I have a the spare 160 for a good deal


Thank guys and girls for any help you can give me on this

380ACP

CWKahrFan
January 18, 2012, 02:22 PM
I have one. It's heavy. It works fine. I'm happy with it as a house gun.
Seems like I remember reading that the barrel isn't interchangeable with the 870 but I'm not sure...

Here's a link to the H&R ad page... Protector is at the very bottom...

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/pardnerpump.asp

Lee Lapin
January 18, 2012, 02:38 PM
Many accessories made for the 870 will fit, as far as 870 parts I'm not 100% sure about but I feel sure many could be fitted if necessary. Barrels won't directly interchange, since the barrel ring is in a different place for the Pardner - it has a 5-round magazine tube versus the 4-round tube of the 870.

Fit and finish seem acceptable to me, but I'm not as demanding/picky as some. I have a couple of Pardner pumps, as well as a couple of the Hawk 981/982 870 clones that Norinco used to import. I decided a few years ago to see how well the imports performed, started picking up various models, and so far they have done as well as the originals. I sat down with my gunsmith, a 981, a Remington 870 Express and a Swiss file, and field stripped both. We went over various parts and he tested the metal with a Swiss file, he said he liked what he felt in the Norinco better.

Some people will object to the made-in-China label, if that bothers you then don't look any further.

They're heavy guns, there's a lot of steel there, but that weight will help soak up recoil from buckshot and slugs. The standard stock is 13 3/4" LOP, a little shorter than Remington's usual, and that will fit some people better. And the synthetic stock is pretty thick-walled and solid as well, the factory recoil pad is decent too. They come with factory sling swivel studs. The forearm is the 9" length field type forearm rather than the shorter 7" LE style, which means if you install a Sidesaddle you'll need to use the 4-round version.

The barrel is 18.5" in length, CYL bore and bead sighted, and overall the gun is a bit more than 38.5" long. It's handy for a defensive shotgun, if that's its main intended role, but the short open choked barrel will not fare as well in some other roles. It'll do fine for shotgun fun on the range, plinking and such, but for formal claybird games it might not be welcome in some venues and might not perform as well as a bit longer sight radius could allow.

I think you could do a lot worse than to buy the Pardner, or spend a lot more money and not do as well for that matter.

hogdogs
January 18, 2012, 02:42 PM
Some people will object to the made-in-China label, if that bothers you then don't look any further.

I am one... But not simply because it is chicom... They usually work out of the box from what I glean...

But my issue is with importers who cease or changes in specs making parts less available.

Also, with weapons, there is always a chance our nation could employ import restrictions where domestic trade is left alone... My mossberg parts are always going to be available... same with remington...;)

Brent

SoilworK777
January 18, 2012, 04:48 PM
I agree with Lee, and add that if you do buy one, I would upgrade the spring and follower. With shipping it's probably going to cost $20 for both.

mpd61
January 18, 2012, 06:41 PM
I got mine at Dick's a year ago for $179.00 and am very pleased. It's a solid little tank
:eek:

ShotgunBill
January 18, 2012, 06:54 PM
Among my home defense shotguns, the Pardner is the only pump I've got. And since I'm not going to hunt with it, or accessorize it beyond its current minimal standards (butt cuff, light, sling, short length of rail if I need a red dot or holo) I will use it as is...and feel well protected indeed.

Mine does present one interesting but very neat trait...the brass bead is shaped just in such a way, and is shiny in just such a way, that when I deploy the gun, whether in day light or at night, using the light, the bead is almost 'red dot' like in its appearance.

It certainly does make target acquisiiton a breeze...

So yeah podner, I like my Pardner...pretty good.

Shotgun Bill

TheKlawMan
January 18, 2012, 08:11 PM
If you get a short barrel Pardner Pump and need a field barrel they are available from Pardner, but they want you to send them your gun to have the barrel fit IIRC.

As for the Norinco, I was told that it begins with some quality steel but that steel isn't always worked properly

1goodi
January 20, 2012, 01:00 PM
I owned one of these. The ejector had issues out the box. Returned it to manf. And never trusted it after this. I sold it in a buy trade deal on a 1911. Good riddance. Buying a mossberg.

12GaugeShuggoth
January 20, 2012, 04:13 PM
I didn't vote, but I do own one. Bought it mainly for use as an ATV gun, something that I wouldn't care about if it got really dirty or dinged up or abused. In that capacity it has performed flawlessly, and always functions properly. I did feel a little guilty buying it, but I wasn't about to spend any more on a shotgun that was going to see such a terrible life ahead of it :eek:. That thing's been hit against trees, buried in the mud, dropped (and left) in a swamp, run over, and in general neglected for most of the time I've owned it.

Being such a short barreled gun with just a cylinder choke, it won't pattern buckshot to save its' life beyond 10 yards or so, but I normally have it loaded with slugs anyway so that's really not a concern.

I think I paid like $150-$160 for it 4 years ago, haven't had anything to complain about. YMMV.

GlockedNLoded32
January 20, 2012, 04:41 PM
heres a link with reviews about the H&R from LEO's


http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/3296-hr-1871-pardner-pump-protector

CWKahrFan
January 20, 2012, 05:14 PM
^^^^All the comments from the "policelink" above are positive ^^^^
I wouldn't put too much stock in the poll... It doesn't have any middle ground in it. Purists are going to vote no because it's an "economy gun". Well yeah it IS an economy gun. It's not a Beretta. It's a plain-jane functional gun.
That's what'ya get for that price. I'm betting that some of the no votes are because it's made in China too... It is what it is.

therza2071
January 20, 2012, 09:42 PM
I had one and loved it. That gun was built like a tank.

It did have a sticky chamber, and the shell stop failed on me after about 2,000 rounds, though.

I'm really considering picking another one up, though. In my opinion, they're built way better than the new 870 Express guns that Remington is turning out.

PPKman
January 20, 2012, 09:48 PM
Solid and reliable. Great value. Get one.

checkmyswag
January 20, 2012, 10:02 PM
Are all H&Rs made in China?

CWKahrFan
January 20, 2012, 10:26 PM
Are all H&Rs made in China?

No. A lot of their production is in Ilion NY. They're now part of The Freedom Group which is a big conglomerate (includes Marlin, Remington, Bushmaster, and more), all part of a HUGE conglomerate known as Cerberus Capital Management.

If you scroll down to the bottom section of this article, there's some info on various models:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_%26_R_Firearms

More on Cerberus if interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

Cary
January 21, 2012, 10:36 AM
Are the receivers on these steel or some kind of alloy? Thanks.

Cary

Don P
January 23, 2012, 10:51 AM
No. A lot of their production is in Ilion NY. They're now part of The Freedom Group which is a big conglomerate (includes Marlin, Remington, Bushmaster, and more), all part of a HUGE conglomerate known as Cerberus Capital Management.

And QC went down hill fast with all the above mentioned gun makers once they were under the roof.

Lee Lapin
January 23, 2012, 01:13 PM
Being such a short barreled gun with just a cylinder choke, it won't pattern buckshot to save its' life beyond 10 yards or so

Spoken like someone who hasn't tried buckshot loads with a FliteControl wad yet :D.

Are the receivers on these steel or some kind of alloy?

Oh, they're definitely steel. Pick one up and there will be no doubt.

pfcperry18
January 28, 2012, 01:39 AM
I have one for trap and bird hunting and I love it. I got the shorter barrel for HD and I did have to ship mine to them for some reason. Never really knew why....but I got it back with a brand new barrel!

The only problem I really ever had with it was when I first got it, the action was pretty stiff. About 30 minutes with 250 grit sandpaper on the action bars and magazine tube the forearm rides on made it smooth as butter. :cool:

johnwilliamson062
January 31, 2012, 12:19 AM
I am not impressed. It seems the parts don't interchange at all. Doesn't seem much point to me. Maybe as a disposable truck gun or closet gun.

J.Black
January 31, 2012, 03:35 PM
I was at Dicks today and was told that this is a 3 +1 shell capacity for MA. Yet when I look at the documentation I see it is rated at 4 +1.

Can anyone confirm these numbers for me?

Thanks,

John.

jaguarxk120
January 31, 2012, 05:27 PM
Anytime the guy behind the counter says somethig about any firearm make sure you know the answer first. They just want to make the sale.

It is up to you to know what your buying, the sales man doesn't care what you buy.

CWKahrFan
January 31, 2012, 06:14 PM
As it sorta specifies in the ad I linked (in #2 above), it comes with a plastic "plug" in the tube which limits it to 3+1... But the plastic "plug" can be very easily removed... and then it's 5+1... (yes, with 3" shells).

I suppose they ship them with the plug in because some states have a 3-shots-per-magazine limit for some forms of hunting but I'm no expert on the subject.

mpd61
January 31, 2012, 09:20 PM
J.Black

I bought my Pardner Protector at Dicks in Natick. I then took it home and noticed there was a plastic plug in the mag tube which limited the capacity to 2+1. This is normal from the factory. The manual states it's removable. So thats what I did, and now she holds five (5) total. There's no Mass limit of 3 for Non-hunting purpose such as self defense. I just bought a Weatherby PA08 Pump at Dick's in Dedham on Saturday. I have bought guns at Brockton, Dedham, and Natick and so far been satisfied. Dedham and Natick lodge crews
seem more knowledgable. Good luck
:D

group17
February 1, 2012, 10:12 AM
Wally world had them for $159. Bought one for HD. works great. 20 gauge.

Lee Lapin
February 1, 2012, 12:41 PM
group17,

How long is the barrel on that H&R?

group17
February 1, 2012, 03:40 PM
18.5 inches

Lee Lapin
February 2, 2012, 01:58 PM
Measured how?

The proper way is to measure down the bore to the face of the closed bolt.

The Pardner Pump in the corner behind me has a factory 18.5" barrel, and the one in the pic looks shorter than that, which is why I ask. Being wrong on barrel length measurement is a federal felony, which is why I'm concerned for you.

jaguarxk120
February 2, 2012, 03:04 PM
Lee hardwood flooring usually measure's in at 2 1/4 inches wide. That barrel looks like it is about 8 boards wide so it should be spot on at 18 inches. Too close for comfort.

hogdogs
February 2, 2012, 07:23 PM
NM...;)

Brent

GunBugBit
February 13, 2012, 11:11 AM
I recently purchased one of these shotguns, took it out to the BLM area where I like to shoot, shot a couple of boxes of 2-3/4" 00 buck, and I give it a thumbs up.

I'm mostly into the 1911 pistol and also enjoy ARs, AKs, and an SKS. I wanted a no frills, sturdy 12ga shotgun. I have no plans to make any modifications to it. It looks like it is rugged enough to outlive me and it works. That's all I need.

Made in China, yes I know, but to me it's ironic that it comes from there. Private citizens in China usually can't own firearms. But they made one for me, a free American, to buy for next to nothing. The joke is on them.

This is an amusing review: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/ralph/gun-review-hr-1871-pardner-pump-protector-12-gauge/

ripnbst
February 13, 2012, 01:06 PM
For as cheap as Mossbergs are I can't justify buying foreign.

GunBugBit
February 14, 2012, 01:19 PM
No plastic trigger guard for me, thanks.

PoorRichRichard
February 14, 2012, 01:37 PM
Strait-up tank gun. Heavy and durable. Just shot my buddies yesterday at the range. 1000's of shells through it. He takes it out every time we go shooting and has had 0 problems with his. Gonna get myself one in the coming months. At 160$ it's a steal. I cant find 'em for under $200.