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Mausermolt
January 7, 2012, 07:31 PM
anyone ever do any hunting with a suppressed firearm? just wondering how well it would work and if its even practical/ legal.

Brian Pfleuger
January 7, 2012, 07:52 PM
Never done it but I know it works fine... required by law in some countries. Illegal in most (or all) of the USA, I think.

cornbush
January 7, 2012, 10:29 PM
It's perfectly legal in Utah.

rickyrick
January 8, 2012, 08:16 AM
Some do it here in Texas for pigs. It's a combo of ammo design and modifications to the rifles, its not a case of screw a suppressor to the barrel and go. The ammo has to be sub sonic. I believe you have to have a permit to own such a rifle.

As for practicality a bow would be cheaper

Brian Pfleuger
January 8, 2012, 08:41 AM
The ammo doesn't absolutely have to be subsonic. It's much quieter if it is but it doesn't have to be.

A suppressor in the USA requires a tax stamp ($200 I think) from the ATF, in addition to the actual purchase price. Might be some local paperwork too.

As for the hunting, I was thinking big game type hunting where I would guess it is mostly illegal, though I'm not sure. For "pest" hunting, unprotected species, invasive species and the like, it's probably legal assuming owning the suppressor is legal in the state.

Gunplummer
January 8, 2012, 09:02 AM
The ammo has to be sub-sonic one way or the other. It is either loaded down or the gas ports in the suppressor slow the bullet down. If that is not done you will get a snapping sound ( What you hear when a bullet passes you). The noise of the initial explosion can be eliminated, but breaking the sound barrier can not unless they really made improvements in the last 30 years. You are working with low pressure ammo and would be restricted as to the size of your game.

Brian Pfleuger
January 8, 2012, 09:20 AM
The gun will be louder with super sonic ammo. That's all. Some countries require suppressors for big game hunting. I guarantee they're not using subsonic ammo. Muzzle blast is a HUGE part of the noise, much worse than the sonic boom of the bullet. Hunting with a suppressor is not primarily about not scaring game, it's about "noise pollution".

If your intent is to try not to spook game, subsonic ammo might be necessary but that's the only reason.

hogdogs
January 8, 2012, 09:28 AM
I don't think the baffling in a suppressor would be capable of slowing a high speed round to sub-sonic speed.

I do know that sub-sonic ammo is quite quiet and the few times I heard a couple sizes of higher speed rifle rounds, the report was VERY significantly reduced to levels that I think would have much less affect on the wildlife and game critters compared to unabated muzzle blast.

Brent

Art Eatman
January 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
The legal acquisition for a suppressor is the same as for a full-auto weapon. $200 tax stamp and the full BATFE routine.

I watched Zak Smith shoot a suppressed .308 on steel at Whittington. Much quieter than without a suppressor. Maybe more like a .22 rimfire from a 10/22.

To a hog at 100 yards, odds are that the sound of the bullet strike would be louder than the muzzle blast. Could be that other hogs wouldn't know the direction from which the shot came, being more focussed on the sound of the bullet strike. Maybe...

Quickdraw Limpsalot
January 8, 2012, 10:33 AM
Perfectly legal in Kentucky, and you can benefit greatly by suppressing supersonic ammo. Subsonic is even quieter (at the muzzle AND downrange due to lack of sonic "crack.") Suppressors do very little in reducing muzzle velocity unless the barrel is ported massively ahead of the muzzle and in a few cases a suppressor can actually add velocity (i.e. 9" .300 AAC Blackout with 762SDN can.)

Blackops_2
January 8, 2012, 10:54 AM
I don't think the baffling in a suppressor would be capable of slowing a high speed round to sub-sonic speed.

I do know that sub-sonic ammo is quite quiet and the few times I heard a couple sizes of higher speed rifle rounds, the report was VERY significantly reduced to levels that I think would have much less affect on the wildlife and game critters compared to unabated muzzle blast.

Brent

Modern day suppressors don't slow the bullet they actually aid in velocity. And yeah hunting with subsonic ammunition isn't recommended. With todays suppressors with titanium baffles there aren't really any downfalls unless your using a gas gun or counting the fact the suppressor actually degrades over time, you might can throw length increase in there i guess. Suppressors advantages include recoil reduction, flash suppression, gain in velocity, and obviously sound suppression.

It's completely legal to hunt any game here with a suppressor, as i'm not sure why it wouldn't be. I see people take deer, hogs, coyotes, etc. with suppressors all the time, not only is practical as hunter (no hearing damage) but its also very efficient.

Only downside to a suppressor is the wait, paying a 200$ tax, and having to go through all the BS. None the less i'm going through it all in 15 days, cause yeah i want my SBRs, Suppressors, and all that stuff each state should allow.

http://demigodllc.com/articles/brief-introduction-to-high-power-rifle-suppressors/

hogdogs
January 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
I think suppressor use is expressly forbidden in fla game regs... IIRC...

Brent

Blackops_2
January 8, 2012, 11:01 AM
Ridiculous IMO. Glad i don't live there :D

Mausermolt
January 8, 2012, 11:34 AM
Thanks for all the reply's! another question, and this most likely your personal opinion but lets give it a shot: Say Billy Joe Hunter just got his new 300 Blackout and AR-10 Suppressed. what would be your bullet, maximum range, limitations? Any other cartridge suggestions would be nice to. and lets say he is hunting big game in the afternoon but varmints in the morning (2 different ammo suggestions).

Blackops_2
January 8, 2012, 07:46 PM
Well the .300 blackout isn't of the 10 family it uses the same bolt face/carrier as a .223. So in that essence it's an AR15. So using supersonic ammunition with that gun my limits would put me at 200yds for me personally.

jimbob86
January 8, 2012, 08:16 PM
Illegal in most (or all) of the USA, I think.

Legal in Nebraska ....I'm looking at putting a can on the "kiddie gun" (Ruger Frontier in 7-08, stoked with reduced loads, launcing a 139 gr bullet @2400) ..... just to reduce percieved recoil and muzzle blast even further.


As far as hog hunting with a suprressor ..... this guy is of the opinion that pigs are smart enough to recognize the sound of a bullet striking home .....


http://frankwjames.blogspot.com/2010/04/suppressors-and-feral-hogs.html

tahunua001
January 13, 2012, 09:45 AM
legality will vary from state to state. I hear about guys that do it all the time but I dont simply because I'm too cheap to pay the ATF fees to have one, also POI changes with a suppressor so you either need to swap optics with the suppressor or you need to re sight every time you remove or add it. you'll have to check with your local F&G, F&W, DNR, P&W, whatever agency you have in your state that deals with hunting.

NESHOOTER
January 13, 2012, 10:03 AM
As Art said, the NFA rule apply and I shoot a 7mm mag suppressed its a wonderful thing it does increase FPS as much as 10-25fps, (as I have read some ballistics) and you would not want to choose a sub-par round you shoot what you hunt with. And it is only true about the POI's with suppressor but for the life of me why? Would you not want to use it each time you shoot. I use it always each time I shoot and no I don't have to resight it at all, its setup with the suppressor always on the firearm that way you can enjoy shooting and by the way shooting the 7mag is just like shooting a AR recoil wise its just fun.

Tommix
January 13, 2012, 11:38 AM
There's a guy, WestForkArmory, on The High Road who posted about hunting pigs in Texas with a suppressor. Here's the thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=597755&highlight=Pigs

The gist of his comments is that although the rounds are supersonic, the suppressor makes it difficult for the pigs to determine where the shots are coming from. It also masks the muzzle flash.

After the first shot, the pigs freeze for a moment trying to figure out which way to run. This gives him an opportunity for a couple more shots before the hogs scatter.

I plan to visit Texas in a couple of weeks. I'm going to try to meet this guy and try my hand at hog hunting in the dark.

jimbob86
January 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
It also masks the muzzle flash.



Which would be important if you are hunting after dark and using night vision.... perefectly legal for non-game species in my state.....

1tfl
January 13, 2012, 12:16 PM
My brother and his best friend have dedicated supressed rifles for hunting hogs on his property. There are several other homes plus a county road not far away so they use supressed rifles to keep quiet while harvesting hog. They use bolt action rifles with handloaded subsonic ammo so it is very quiet... but still very effective on hogs.

BTW those supressed rifles with very heavy subsonic ammo are very accurate out to about 200 yards.

Willie Lowman
January 13, 2012, 12:27 PM
The ammo has to be sub-sonic one way or the other. It is either loaded down or the gas ports in the suppressor slow the bullet down.

The ammo has to be sub sonic.



You guys have never fired a silenced firearm, have you? Saying subsonic ammo has to be used in a silencer is like saying the only way a car's muffler works is if the engine is at a low idle.
Gunplumber, there are no gas ports in a silencer to slow bullets down. Some integrally suppressed guns like the MP5SD have ports in the barrel to keep the round subsonic but that is a function of the firearm's design.

Hunting with a suppressor is not primarily about not scaring game, it's about "noise pollution".If your intent is to try not to spook game, subsonic ammo might be necessary but that's the only reason. The gentleman from New York nailed it!

And all my ranting aside, last I spoke to a wildlife officer, it is not legal in Ohio to hunt even pest animals with a suppressed weapon.

tahunua001
January 13, 2012, 01:47 PM
^^^ +1
the funniest thing in the world is seeing people reactions when you load up standard loads, super sonics and subsonics into a suppressed weapon and start shooting

rickyrick
January 13, 2012, 04:13 PM
I have heard super sonic ammo coming at me, it will get your attention. The crack is often heard louder than the noise from the muzzle. I misunderstood the question as making no noise as to spooked other animals. I never considered noise pollution, sonic crack will not be as big an issue in all directions.

Poodleshooter
January 13, 2012, 05:33 PM
Suppressor hunting is really fun with a .22. My state allows it with no restrictions.
It's quiet on your ears.
No one else knows that you're hunting, which is advantageous.
It doesn't alarm the entire woods.
Some of the most accurate .22 ammo is subsonic, so you usually don't compromise accuracy.
In the case of squirrel hunting, surrounding squirrels in a big feeding area aren't nearly as alarmed (though they still scatter IME).
Sometimes you get a chance to reshoot if you miss, though that's more the case at ranges past 50yds. Honestly though, I've been able to do that with unsuppressed subsonic .22s at extreme range,too.
About the only cons are that you have to bring paperwork with you, and the POI change usually requires you to dedicate the rifle or pistol to suppressor hunting.
I'd like to try deer hunting with a suppressed pistol. My state allows use of easily suppressed pistol cartridges for deer, so it should be entertaining for an under 30yds stand hunt.

Deja vu
January 14, 2012, 10:40 PM
I have a 1895SBL that I have been toying with the idea of suppressing, I don't know if I will ever really do it but I think it would be fun to have a tactical cowboy.

HALL,AUSTIN
January 14, 2012, 11:34 PM
Come on folks... this website is linked. To SWAT magazine. With the grey ghost suppressor your POI dosent change, you dont ever lose suppression on full automatic due to the design not using welds. It is AWSOME!!!!!! Please check it out.

phil mcwilliam
January 15, 2012, 02:28 AM
My only hunting experience with a silencer is limited to my CZ .22. The silencer works well with subsonic ammunition (a bit quieter than an airgun), but if you fire CCI Minimags its just as loud as having no silencer. The silencer I have is threaded onto the barrel & is around 6 inches long, and made up of a tube with a series of washers & springs.
I have seen a Ruger Mini 14 with a suppressor the whole length of the barrel. They guy that owned it told me he didn't use subsonic ammunition & it was similar in loudness to a .22 lr.
I use my CZ .22 with silencer firing winchester subsonic hollowpoints for head shooting goats out to about 50 yards. Drops them every time.

lt dan
January 16, 2012, 04:57 AM
anyone ever do any hunting with a suppressed firearm? just wondering how well it would work

we do silencer hunting over her in Africa quite a lot. i use it for most of my hunts as well as culls and vermin control. i use it on my 308 with n 22" barrel with a k98 action, i have seen these suppressors on anything from a .22 to a 25-06 an d from a 300H&H to a 375Ruger. for mr the advantages are more than simply less noise. the suppressor takes about 60%of the recoil away. now i am not recoil shy, but if you take more than 100 springbok a night then you need to be able to keep your rifle still so that you can see the point of impact. the difference in noise for me is enough to keep the game from getting going into a full stampede. also the silencer protects the crown something that can easily get damage in a hunting vehicle that is in full pursuit.my rifle has a diffrent piont of impact with and without the silencer. the speed is the same and with 110grn vmax the group is 9mm and with 150grn Sierra pro hunter the group is 12mm at 100yards.
a friend of mine, took 15 jackal for this night with a 25-06 with a supressor. without it it wouldnt have been possible.
http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy34/jameswilsontt/Ludwig.jpg

my 308 with silencer.
http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy34/jameswilsontt/DSC02695.jpg

Willie Lowman
January 16, 2012, 12:35 PM
With the grey ghost suppressor your POI dosent change, you dont ever lose suppression on full automatic due to the design not using welds. It is AWSOME

There isn't can you can hang off of the muzzle of your rifle that doesn't change point of impact.

The grey ghost is a monolithic baffle with round holes drilled in it. It is basically one step above flat baffles as far as suppressor tech goes.

2damnold4this
January 16, 2012, 02:05 PM
There is legislation here in Georgia to change the law to make using a suppressor legal while hunting.

Lark
April 26, 2014, 08:14 PM
Sorry to revive such an old thread, but I do have a question. Georgia recently passed HB60 which would allow hunting with suppressed firearms with some restrictions. I read a document that claimed subsonic ammo was illegal to use in Georgia while hunting. You can read it here; http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2014/04/11/gun_bill_report.pdf

Anyone ever read any Georgia law or regulation about subsonic ammo? I did read the Georgia law requiring expanding center fire ammo, but subsonic ammo will expand. Thanks.

ETA: I think I found the problem. HB875 had a provision for banning subsonic hunting ammo but was not passed; otherwise it was similar to HB60. I think the Senate office published the report without updating it.

Sharkbite
April 26, 2014, 08:38 PM
Check out 300blktalk

Search for hunting posts. Lots of subsonic and suppressed info there. Most is 300blk specific, but other cals as well. 308...22lr

2nDefense
April 26, 2014, 09:19 PM
Sharkbite is right. 300 Blackout is a great option for suppressed hunting. Reduced cost over the 308 plus similar ballistics shooting subs out of a smaller package. It's a great round for hog hunting here in Texas

tmorone
April 27, 2014, 04:33 AM
Depends on states and what you can hunt with them. Check out aaccanu.com for some good references.

In FL, you can't hunt game animals with them but hogs are ok (on private land). Anytime I go for hogs, it's with a suppressed 300blk. Aaaaand, it's fantastic!

green_MTman
April 27, 2014, 04:48 AM
i think a bullet goes subsonic at about 900fps.
i think a 45-70 with a 500 grain would be subsonic but with big game energy

Old Stony
April 27, 2014, 05:15 AM
Some people seem to think you can just pick hogs at random and shoot them one after another without spooking the rest...with a suppressor. They have very good hearing, and even if you were using an air rifle, they would be running at the first shot. I use suppressors on .........22lr and .223 and even shooting crows and stuff like that it's a one shot proposition. The supprssors make the shooting quieter, but not like in the movies by any means.

Husqvarna
April 27, 2014, 10:26 AM
suppresors are actually something that got LESS restrictions here in Sweden!



I have a suppressor on my 308 mainly because I hunt pigs pretty near the community, do what I can to not bother people

want one on my argo to because with that one I hunt pigs in driven hunts and don't want my dog to go deaf

I use a suppressed ruger1022 at a family members farm to shoot inside the barn and not disturb the cows (shooting rats and birds)

downside is that they can make the rifles a little unwieldly

johnwilliamson062
April 27, 2014, 03:11 PM
I'd like to try to clarify something in this thread if I can. I think some are following and some are not.
The "initial blast" of the gun occurs at the shooters position and ONLY at the shooters position. It is louder than the sonic boom of the bullet. It is somewhat directional out the muzzle and/or the direction the rifle is ported, but not entirely.
The sonic boom of a supersonic bullet occurs along the bullets flight path as long as it is supersonic. It radiates from the position of the bullet at any point in time(more or less).

300 yards down range on the flight path of the bullet the sonic boom is probably much louder than the "initial blast" as it is originating at that point at that time and the blast is from 300 yards away. Standing off the bullets flight path 300 yards and 300 yards from the position of the shooter, the initial boom will be louder.

The point of using a suppressor with a super sonic load is to significantly reduce the sound heard at a point not along the bullet path. Say a house 1000 meters to the right of the shooters position. The first morning of gun season non-shooters can constantly hear gun shot in the country all over Ohio. This bothers some people. If suppressors were used they would not be heard.

ATCDoktor
April 27, 2014, 10:23 PM
Suppressed hunting is legal in my state and I have taken many coyotes and jackrabbits with suppressed rifles and what johnwilliamson062 posted was spot on:

The point of using a suppressor with a super sonic load is to significantly reduce the sound heard at a point not along the bullet path. Say a house 1000 meters to the right of the shooters position. The first morning of gun season non-shooters can constantly hear gun shot in the country all over Ohio. This bothers some people. If suppressors were used they would not be heard.

Here are a few videos of jackrabbits taken with suppressed .223, 17 hornet and 220 swift.

You will note that the resounding "boom" associated with firing in the field is absent from all firing situations:

These two jacks were taken at 200 and 225 yards respectively with a Ruger 17 Hornet firing 20 grain Hornady factory ammo. You will note that the "far" jack doesnt move at he sound of the shot, he moves at the sound of bullet striking his partners skull (Supressor was a Gemtech Titanium Trek thread mount):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RME1NmPmEMo&feature=player_detailpage

This jack was taken at about 125 yards or so with a 220 swift firing 50 grain hornady ZMAX bullet at 3750 FPS. Note that all noise associated with the firing of the shot stops when the bullet strikes the jack. No echoing boom and sonic crack stops at impact (suppresor was an AAC M42000 using a 51T flash hider mount).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvOKqBnOLZU&feature=player_detailpage

Here's a couple of jacks taken at 200 yards with a .223 firing a 55 grain jsp bullet at about 3000 fps. The "ping" you here is the the AAC flashider resonating (not unlike a tuning fork) upon firing. The "hiss" of the sonic crack can be heard moving away from the firing point and to the "shooters ear" it sounds like an airhose being disconnected from a pnuematic tool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu9jwHc9SDs&feature=player_detailpage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNrxvxMo1k&feature=player_detailpage#t=1

One more short range jack taken at 50 yards same load as above using an AAC M42000 suppressor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eUG3tUmQkU&feature=player_detailpage

To me the benefit of hunting suppressed is considerable (be it subsonic or trans sonic ammo being used).

Saving my ears/hearing and keeping good relations with property owners reference noise pollution in rapidly urbanzing "country" environment pays dividends (to me) above and beyond any financial cost associated with suppressor use.

alex0535
April 28, 2014, 03:05 AM
One of the firearm privileges that was just made legal here in the state of Georgia along with now being able to carry a handgun more places.

I didn't want a silencer until now. I can legally shoot any legal firearm in my yard. Neighbors might not like the noise but the police don't care. For just plinking, I will put on my hearing protection. But now that I can legally hunt with a suppressor, I kind of want one for a .22, I think I could do a number on some of the local squirrel population with some subsonic hollow-points and a suppressor and do it quietly.

oldcspsarge
April 28, 2014, 04:38 PM
Here is a list of States and rules for hunting with suppressors : :cool:


http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/pdf/HUNTING%20WITH%20SUPPRESSORS-STATE%20LAW%20COMPILATION.pdf

johnwilliamson062
April 28, 2014, 06:59 PM
I'm not going to go into too many details as there are lots of other threads, but...

Shooting almost any gun with a suppressor still creates a db greater than OSHA permits. It helps a lot, but it isn't entirely safe. Shooting one or two shots a day hunting is a lot different than spending three hours shooting at the range also.

Theohazard
April 29, 2014, 02:07 AM
Shooting almost any gun with a suppressor still creates a db greater than OSHA permits.
That's not entirely accurate. OSHA states, "Exposure to impulsive or impact noise should not exceed 140 dB peak sound pressure level." But every modern pistol silencer and most modern rifle silencers are under 140 dBs. This 140 dB limit leads many silencer companies to claim their silencers are "hearing safe".

So by OSHA standards, a few shots from any good modern silencer is "hearing safe" because it's less than 140 dBs and it's not continuous. But medically speaking, any sound over 85 - 95 dB can cause permanent hearing loss, and the more someone is exposed to those sounds the worse the hearing loss will be. So unless you're only shooting a few shots out of your suppressor, it's a good idea to use hearing protection.

Deja vu
April 29, 2014, 10:30 AM
Last fall I got my deer with a suppressed 45-70. The load was subsonic 500 grain bullet. It penetrated like crazy. The range was fairly close (less than 100 yards) The deer was a small mule deer buck. It worked very well. I have since found 550 grain bullets and started reloading them.