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warbirdlover
December 31, 2011, 06:38 PM
I'm being made "sport of" by my SIL and brother in regards to the new deer blind I built this year. Here is the blind as it sits......

and the second pic is what they think I should do with it!!

5.45 Shooter
December 31, 2011, 06:59 PM
HaHa, It does kinda look like a food stand!:eek:
Do you stand up all the time you hunt, shooting windows look a little high?
Put a little camo on it, tack some branches to the sides, as long as you can sit in it with out making much noise, it should work.
I have found with my pop-up blinds if I lean branches over it, that breaks up the square box look & the animals don't mind coming a little closer to it.
I would think the plywood glue smell would run off most of the animals, you don't see much plywood growing in the woods.
But Good Luck with it anyway!;)

JerryM
December 31, 2011, 07:28 PM
I guess the days when hunters hunted are over.
Jerry

MOshooter65202
December 31, 2011, 07:30 PM
Haha 2funny you got a food handlers card for that deer blind :D

rickyrick
December 31, 2011, 07:45 PM
I think its just dandy that you built your own blind, were I a deer hunter I would probably build my own too.

Shotgun693
December 31, 2011, 08:06 PM
When you get old enough or beat up enough occasionally sitting in a blind is nice.

mo84
December 31, 2011, 08:27 PM
As long as you bring home deer it dont matter how the blind looks. Your prices seem reasonable also :D Out in the open hunting isn't what its cracked up to be

HALL,AUSTIN
December 31, 2011, 09:27 PM
When its cold and you are warm or when it snows/rains and your dry who cares. Is my deer any more dead because i hunt from the ground? Heck no it isnt. All that matters is the comfort and practicality IMHO. And if you like it then its great man. I think its nice... looks dry, so long as you dont blare music from it then you should be fine :)

warbirdlover
December 31, 2011, 09:28 PM
I guess the days when hunters hunted are over.
Jerry

Sitting in a blind or on stand is the only way you'll get a deer in Wisconsin. Unless you believe in deer drives which I hate. I don't think it gets to -30º F. in NM does it? Ever have to walk on snow shoes in 3' level snow with 6' drifts? Maybe mountains? Also 64 years old and falling apart. Enough reasons yet? And the main reason is you can't hunt the way you do all over this country. You walk around in Wisconsin you're gonna have all the hunters PO'd at you for scaring all the deer from their natural movements. We have 6 hunters on 120 acres which is considered deer hunting Heaven in Wisconsin! Go on public land and see if you can find anywhere without a bright, orange, glowing hunter sitting there. :)

And I was going to paint it all black, put some wagon wheels on it and hook up a horse and have a "moveable Amish blind"!! :D I don't stand all the time. I've got a tall swivel bar stool in there.

Plan is to paint it camo this summer (vertical tree like stripes). This isn't like the wilderness of out west. There are farms, house, barns, corn fields, and plywood buildings or blinds all over the area. The deer are not alarmed at the smell of plywood or paint etc. Neither are the wolves and this year the cougar we had on the land.

warbirdlover
December 31, 2011, 09:48 PM
This blind replaced an older, beat up blind that was there for years. I've taken two nice 17" spread 9 pointers off that stand and the year before I got on the lease this buck was taken not 10 feet from the stand. So close the guy couldn't even use his sights!

The second deer was taken this year on the stand closest to mine. He came from my direction.. Opening day the wind was all wrong and I'm betting he caught me.

603Country
December 31, 2011, 10:11 PM
The blind looks fine. I think it might have been you that was asking in an earlier thread about what kind of roof it needed. I suggested corrugated tin and still feel that way, but looks like have a decent hide with a serviceable wooden roof. You might want to add sliding plexiglas windows so that you can block the evil cold winds that blow on some days.

I think that my buddy and I built the worst blinds in history. He had some surplus panels from a factory air moving system. The 4x8 panels were sheet tin. We build the blinds out of that - roof, walls, and all. They'll probably last 1000 years, but every time you twitched a muscle in those blinds, the metal panels gave off a bong or clang. And God help you if you accidentally hit the wall with your metal rifle barrel. But it sounded like such a good idea for blind building materials when we started....

theyallhurt
December 31, 2011, 10:13 PM
I LIKE IT!

warbirdlover
December 31, 2011, 10:28 PM
The blind looks fine. I think it might have been you that was asking in an earlier thread about what kind of roof it needed. I suggested corrugated tin and still feel that way, but looks like have a decent hide with a serviceable wooden roof. You might want to add sliding plexiglas windows so that you can block the evil cold winds that blow on some days.

I think that my buddy and I built the worst blinds in history. He had some surplus panels from a factory air moving system. The 4x8 panels were sheet tin. We build the blinds out of that - roof, walls, and all. They'll probably last 1000 years, but every time you twitched a muscle in those blinds, the metal panels gave off a bong or clang. And God help you if you accidentally hit the wall with your metal rifle barrel. But it sounded like such a good idea for blind building materials when we started....

603Country

I went the cheap route on the roof. Three 4X8 sheets of 1/2" playwood, braced and roofing paper (sealed) on it. Dry as a bone inside. Brothers stand is sheet tin. But he's now got wood bracing in it and insulation inside so it's not noisy. Wood floor also. The plexiglass is still on the project list. The plywood "windows" and door will be braced up before I get to that. If there's a nasty wind coming from one direction I'll close that window. No deer is going to come with the wind behind him anyway. We're in an oak woods and when the wind blows the acorns come down like rain.... on my brother's tin roof! LOUD!! But the deer are used to that noise also.

mo84
December 31, 2011, 11:59 PM
ive heard of people useing serann wrap for windows, they just shoot right through it. just a thought

BIGR
January 1, 2012, 12:21 AM
Nice blind, a great place to be especially in bad weather. At least they did not put an outhouse sign on it....:D

Art Eatman
January 1, 2012, 12:46 AM
"I guess the days when hunters hunted are over."

Yeah, well, we all know that some are immortal and never age. However, getting old beats the alternative--and if you live through your foolishness, you'll get old.

And grownups generally don't have any respect for juvenile arrogance. It's considered underwhelming...

Buzzcook
January 1, 2012, 01:18 AM
Venison tacos, yummy.

Discern
January 1, 2012, 02:12 AM
WBL,

Nice looking blind, and it is good to hear your brother and SIL have a sense of humor. Maybe your brother could cook your stand food on the tin roof of his blind and deliver it to your blind. One thing that appears to be missing is the smoke stack for your wood/corn burner.

Are mountain lions and wolves protected in WI? Does WI allow coyote hunting at night? If they allow coyote hunting at night, your stand would be a nice place to do it. However, it might create too much hunting pressure in the area and the deer may change their travel routes.

Please do a future posting after you have it painted. If you have some extra time, you can build one for me for my Christmas present. :-)

rtpzwms
January 1, 2012, 02:32 AM
Still missing the neon "OPEN" sign!:D

Kreyzhorse
January 1, 2012, 07:08 AM
I like it. I'm a ground hunter in Kentucky but there are times I wouldn't mind sitting in a well made blind. Considering the temps you guys are faced with up there, I would guess blinds are almost a requirement.

Update some pictures when you get it done.

shortwave
January 1, 2012, 09:55 AM
I get no respect

warbirdlover, aka... 'the Rodney Dangerfield of Wisconsin' :D

I'll be building some new stands/re-doing some existing ones throughout the property this coming year. I may call on ya for some carpentry tips.;)

What kind of heater do ya use?

Kudo's to you for still getting out and doing your thing. Hope you have many more years to come.

Happy New Year!

warbirdlover
January 1, 2012, 10:11 AM
Thanks all. I've got a 25 gal propane tank with one of those heaters that sit on top of it. I don't use it all that much but when needed it's nice.

Here's one of the bucks I got from the old stand in this same location... I had a six pointer "bed down" not 50 yards from my stand a couple years ago. I now pass on bucks like the two I've gotten (pic below of one of them). Both of those were almost identical and I've let probably four or five like them go. We don't shoot does or small bucks on this land and the size of the bucks and racks are starting to really get huge.

Wolves and cougars are protected in Wisconsin. Wolves might have just been taken off that protected list but the DNR hasn't set up hunting rules on them. I don't know if you can hunt yotes at night but we have shot alot of them during the day (during deer hunting week) over the years! This year no one saw any yotes. We figure the wolves and cougar got 'em all. All I know is if I'm ever threatened by wolves or cougars they're going to die. One of the guys had a "close encounter" going to his blind in the dark. He was about to get in and had something growling and snarling right by him. He turned on the flashlight and it was the cougar not 10 feet away. He couldn't get in his blind fast enough.

Discern
January 1, 2012, 10:24 AM
Watch out for those big cats and wolves. For a long time where I am originally from, the game and fish dept. denied they existed.

Here is something to consider that you may already be doing - take an adult male when they have an inferior rack. This will help eliminate the genes for a smaller rack from the deer population. It will really help if you can get others in your area to do the same thing.

Any CWD in your area?

603Country
January 1, 2012, 07:56 PM
Warbirdlover, on the windows that I use in my blinds I have finally gotten pretty good at knowing what I want and building it. You can add the windows by building the window assembly at the house and then easily installing it (or them) at the blind. I just make a open box out of 2X4's and use a table saw to cut two lengthwise grooves (about 1/4 inch apart) in the top and the bottom 2X4's. If the window is 4 feet long, I cut four 12 inch plexiglass windows. Stagger them in the grooves and you can just slide the middle panes out to the sides. Gives you 2 feet of opening to shoot from, and you can slide the panes closed as much as you like to block the wind. Then just take the assembly, which you sized wide enough to fit the front or the sides of the blind and put it in place with screws (through the plywood into the frame or through the frame into the side support boards.

Make the grooves a bit wider than necessary so the panes won't get stuck when the 2X4's get wet and swell. Make the top grooves 1/2 inch deeper than needed so that the panes can be lifted and removed when necessary.

I prefer this method to the 'all open' or 'all closed' type windows.

warbirdlover
January 1, 2012, 10:29 PM
Watch out for those big cats and wolves. For a long time where I am originally from, the game and fish dept. denied they existed.

Here is something to consider that you may already be doing - take an adult male when they have an inferior rack. This will help eliminate the genes for a smaller rack from the deer population. It will really help if you can get others in your area to do the same thing.

Any CWD in your area?

Discern

If we ever would find a big deer with a lousy rack we would take it but so far the small racks are on small deer that haven't yet grown up. See the pics of the deer that came off this land back farther in this thread. And CWD is still south of us and not moving up very fast yet.

603Country, my brother did his windows exactly as you described. Good idea. Thanks.

Red Dog
January 1, 2012, 11:27 PM
Deer nachos???

bamaranger
January 1, 2012, 11:41 PM
I belonged to a deer lease for 10 yrs or so that had quite a few box blinds and elevated shooting houses. There was much competition to get into the spots that had a reputation as productive. As usual, there were some bad sports and folks who did not play well with others, and sometimes words flew and tempers flared.

For personal amusement, anytime I strolled past a blind/shoothouse, and it was empty, I would toss in a spent case or two.

warbirdlover
January 2, 2012, 12:37 AM
I belonged to a deer lease for 10 yrs or so that had quite a few box blinds and elevated shooting houses. There was much competition to get into the spots that had a reputation as productive. As usual, there were some bad sports and folks who did not play well with others, and sometimes words flew and tempers flared.

For personal amusement, anytime I strolled past a blind/shoothouse, and it was empty, I would toss in a spent case or two.

bamaranger

This lease is a "family" deal. The only reason I got on is my brother who is married to the sister of the guy that runs the lease. Others are his brother, son and friend(s), my brother and myself. Only six of us hunt the 120 acres and if someone doesn't follow our "rules" he's out. One guy who was on for two years is gone because there is no "walking around" allowed which screws up the natural deer movement for everyone and no one else comes along, at least with a rifle. He brought his son with his rifle and said only one would should a deer on the land which didn't fly with us and his son couldn't sit still all day so they wandered around screwing up everyone else's hunting. They even built a blind where they wanted to which doesn't fly. There are six blinds and the newest ones in on the lease take the lowest producer unless someone wants to keep the one they have. My stand has always been one of the best so I lucked out getting it when getting in on the lease. In any case the guy and his son are gone. We had another new guy this year and he followed the rules. We all walk in together at 5:00 am (opening is at 6:30 am about) and drop off as we go by the stands. We're all set by 5:30 am which gives the woods time to settle down again. Coming out at quitting time we reverse the process. Anyone oversleeps and doesn't make the schedule waits until noon to walk in.

Hog Buster
January 2, 2012, 12:53 AM
“For personal amusement, anytime I strolled past a blind/shoothouse, and it was empty, I would toss in a spent case or two.”

Bamaranger ain’t the only one who ever did that. The bunch I hunted with several years back were always raising hell about someone hunting their blinds. Little did they know that I was tossing empties in whenever I passed. Being a reloader I had many different caliber's to choose from, some fairly exotic. I even tossed a 50BMG case in one. The guy that hunted it talked about finding it for years.

youp
January 2, 2012, 07:36 AM
I like the blind...if you would pass GPS coordinates I would be happy to stroll by for lunch....have you considered swapping spent brass for food?

TheNatureBoy
January 2, 2012, 08:19 AM
I like it. I've seen worse. Two come to mind on one of the pieces of property that I hunt on. I would camo it up a little bit and lower the rest so that I could sit vs standing when I shoot (personal preference). As far as camo is concerned I would include some pine banches if they are around. They last a little while longer. Leave it in place. The deer will get used to it. I agree with mo84. Outdoor hunting definitely aint what its cracked out to be. Although I make fun of the two blinds I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I use them at every opportunity.

shortwave
January 2, 2012, 09:59 AM
I like it. I've seen worse.

No doubt!

Have hunted out of everything from a foxhole in Tenn. to a out-house that was on an old abandoned farm site in KY. Many years ago, I got invited to W.V. to hunt with a buddy of mine and his relation. His Uncle owned a couple hundred acres outside of Beckley(sp?).
Since I couldn't get down there till after dark and season opened the next morning, I didn't get a chance to see where I was going to be hunting.
Being the hospitable type most in W.V. are, I was given the uncles fav. tree stand. That night,my buddy told me his uncle must have liked me cause he loved that stand an didn't give it up for anyone. I felt special:o.

The next morning, well before daylight , the guys dropped me off at my stand.
Not being able to see well, I climbed 30'-35' on what seemed to be an unstable ladder to a metal lawn chair that was affixed to the tree.

When the sun came up and I could see, I was afraid to move. The metal chair was about 50yrs old, rusty and the frame was cracking everywhere. It was chained to the tree and parts of the chain were embedded in the tree.:eek: Needless to say,it had been up there for a few years.
The ladder I had climbed was two very old, wooden, rickety ladders, chain together and attached to the tree with ropes that had dry rotted some 10 yrs ago.

Needless to say, I couldn't sit up there and enjoy the hunt so I lowered my rifle, picked out a good landing spot and proceeded down the ladder....ladder cracking with each step.

I get on the ground, look up and this chair is actually leaning from the frame being twisted and rusted in two.

At noon the fella's showed up to get me and the first thing the Uncle proudly says is "what do ya think of that stand, that chairs comfortable huh?"

"That's a fine one, great location" was my reply as not to offend him.

Later, I was telling my buddy that I was worried his Uncle was going to fall out of the thing and just how bad a shape everything was in. We went in town and got a new metal chair, aluminum ladder and burned the mid-night oil putting it up as a surprise for his Uncle.
I was worried how his uncle would take this and was relieved to find out that he had been wanting to replace the set-up but didn't think he could do it by himself. He was the kind of guy that wouldn't ask anyone for any help.

Mr Dish
January 2, 2012, 10:51 AM
Laughed my "A" off.

Sgt.Fathead
January 2, 2012, 11:44 AM
I'd sure like a butterscotch milkshake! :rolleyes: Looks great to me. The few times I've hunted were still hunting from a treestand (Brrrrrrr!) or a gound blind, which was warmer and more comfy. Hope you have a great season!

warbirdlover
January 2, 2012, 11:52 AM
I don't stand up to shoot. I've got a tall swiveling bar stool I sit on. That chair story sounds like the previous stand I replaced. It was only up 15' or so, chained to a tree. Sides were stapled on. If you fell against them they'd open for you to drop to the ground. The wind HOWLED through that stand and if you've ever hunted in the cold from a high spot where the wind can get you you'll be frozen quickly. It was a disaster. The location is in an oak woods on rolling hills and this is one of the highest hills. There's a little stream about 150 yards away which is the lot line. The bucks tend to run along that stream and come up by my stand. Or go from behind me toward the stream. They've even come down the dirt path that goes by my stand. You don't have to be up high to get a deer. I like that solid feeling of EARTH beneath my feet. If I could have a small cabin up on a super, sturdy frame with "stairs" going up I'd sit up high. Otherwise, no chairs chained to trees for me!! :D

warbirdlover
January 2, 2012, 12:07 PM
Here's my old stand (check out the urinal!) and a view of where I've shot 2 bucks and let a number of others go through. First year (opening day) on the lease I had over 60 deer "pouring" over that hill like ants coming out of an anthill! Groups of does with a buck with them. It was thrilling to say the least.

jimbob86
January 2, 2012, 12:23 PM
Sitting in a blind or on stand is the only way you'll get a deer in Wisconsin.

Because something is difficult for you (or me) does not make it impossible.

Still hunting is an art, and though I am not good at it, I have done it, and killed a deer doing so...... It is HARD, though.

If you prefer sitting in a blind, great.

If that were my blind, I'd have painted it before the snow flew, to keep the wood from weathering ...... some plywood comes apart pretty quick when exposed to the elements..... water is the closest thing to a universal solvent.

As for the roof- If you put some pitch to it, snow would not melt and pool on it.... it would last longer.

warbirdlover
January 2, 2012, 03:59 PM
I'll revise this...

The only way to get a deer in "central" (west to east) Wisconsin on down is to sit in a blind (unless on private land).... :D

Where would you still hunt in Wisconsin other then the big forests in the northern part of the state? There it could be done if you get back in far enough. And the wolves don't get you... :D

If you still hunt on public hunting land (other then these forests) you'll **** off the other hunters on stand. That are 100 yards or less from each other.

I LOVE to walk and when I used to hunt up in the northwestern corner of Wisconsin would still hunt. I love it but can't do that anymore. Especially on snowshoes!

jimbob86
January 2, 2012, 04:30 PM
If you still hunt on public hunting land (other then these forests) you'll **** off the other hunters on stand. That are 100 yards or less from each other.


If they are that close, I suggest 24"-36" of sandbags around your blinds ..... and a K-pot ..... 12" of overhead cover would not be excessive, either.....

Different worlds, I guess.

I usually still hunt the same 1/4 mile of wooded creek bottom ..... it is not over 75 yards wide at any point.... and in places is less than 20 .... not a lot of ground ...... if it takes me less than 2 hours to cover that, then I'm going to be making too much noise to see any deer. I suprise them sometimes...... sometimes they suprise me.....

Kimbertron
January 2, 2012, 04:41 PM
I will take a butterscotch shake please :D

buck460XVR
January 2, 2012, 04:54 PM
Sitting in a blind or on stand is the only way you'll get a deer in Wisconsin.

Because something is difficult for you (or me) does not make it impossible.


No sittin' in a blind is not the only way to get a deer in Wisconsin, still hunting still works well as do deer drives when done safely. But.......on small woodlots with lots of hunters(as in 6 guys hunting 120 acres) it is one of the safest ways. Even in heavy woods and steep terrain, having safe shooting lanes is difficult when folks are so close together. In hilly terrain, even if you can't see someone, don't mean your bullet won't hit them as it drops over the hill. Knowing where every other hunter is(or supposed to be) is the key. This is the same as deer drives.

Sitting on stand is classic Wisconsin whitetail hunting. Squattin' over bait ain't. Folks gettin' upset with hunting partners and kickin' them out of the hunting party because they thought they contributed to their lack of success is almost as common. Used to be you hunted with friends and family for the camaraderie first, meat second and horn last. You tolerated their shortcomings and they became the brunt of deer camp jokes. Kids were expected to get cold and bored and start wanderin' around, that was part of the indoctrination. They also kept the deer moving on your parcel or area, and the neighbors kids across the fence did the same. Now, it's all about gettin' a deer, and God forbid we drive it over to the neighbors. Family and long time friendships don't mean nuttin' compared to gettin' ol' mossy horns. Don't get me wrong, safety is one thing and I'm all for it. But I long for the old days when hunting was fun and memories were made, even when you came home emptyhanded. Those days when an old timer took his huntin' time and mentored you instead of kickin' you out of the group, just cause he thought you mighta blew his chance at a deer. It amazes me at the close of every deer season how many fights and arguments between friends and family has occurred over a dam deer.

freenokia
January 2, 2012, 05:17 PM
lol @ "no loitering" haha

jimbob86
January 2, 2012, 05:22 PM
Now, it's all about gettin' a deer, and God forbid we drive it over to the neighbors. Family and long time friendships don't mean nuttin' compared to gettin' ol' mossy horns. Don't get me wrong, safety is one thing and I'm all for it. But I long for the old days when hunting was fun and memories were made, even when you came home emptyhanded. Those days when an old timer took his huntin' time and mentored you instead of kickin' you out of the group, just cause he thought you mighta blew his chance at a deer. It amazes me at the close of every deer season how many fights and arguments between friends and family has occurred over a dam deer.

That's sad ...... it's supposed to be fun .....

There were times this fall that I laughed so hard it hurt .... the 30+ minute riffing my brother and I did about "Scotty-n-Steven", two bucks we ran into that were more concerned with each other than the guys with the rifles .......

2damnold4this
January 2, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nice pics.

Jo6pak
January 2, 2012, 06:01 PM
That's a great photoshop. Nice to see we don't all take ourselves too seriously...like "real" hutners do:rolleyes:

Maybe you should offer acorn, mineral pies, and soybean sandwiches to really bring the deer in:p

My deer stand is a pile of logs and brush with an old lawn chair in the center. Maybe I need to upgrade.

buck460XVR
January 2, 2012, 06:47 PM
That's sad ...... it's supposed to be fun .....

Ain't it? All over a dam deer. I help teach hunter safety and I always make a point when I see past students of mine to ask how their hunting has gone. It's depressing to hear the amount of negative experiences these new hunters have had, and it's primarily while deer hunting. For example, one young hunter whose dad does not hunt, took the course because his uncle said he could hunt with them. He shot a small 8 point buck on opening day and then what should have been a celebration turned into a azz chewing and a chastising, and ended up with the young hunter being told he could no longer hunt there. All because the youngster's buck was a few inches short of being within the rules of a "shooter" imposed by the other hunters on the property. The other hunters were other uncles and cousins. This was this 12 year old's first deer.

warbirdlover
January 2, 2012, 11:54 PM
Just so everyone knows, I didn't make the rules on this leased land but it's the first time I've had a really fantastic place to hunt deer in Wisconsin in my whole life so I follow them. I'd love to walk around etc and just enjoy the woods but that's not how it works here. So I won't disagree with you at all, just understand that I'm obeying the "law of the land"!! :D

jimbob86
January 3, 2012, 12:12 AM
WBL, buck460- I shall count my blessings, and having places to hunt is high on the long list ...... "I bitched about my shoes until I saw a man with no feet...."

And thanks for doing the Hunter Ed work, buck .....

rtpzwms
January 3, 2012, 12:38 AM
warbirdlover just a couple of thoughts, it needs the MickieD type sign "over 100 deer shot" or if you don't like that a bambi stamp to mark kills under the windows!

Just gotta love the Rodney's...

warbirdlover
January 3, 2012, 12:48 AM
I like both those ideas! Since I'm a World War II fighter plane nut (hence my nickname) I'd go with the stamps under the window I think! :D

briandg
January 3, 2012, 02:35 PM
maybe you could point out the absolute futility of trying to stalk a deer on foot in that layer of brittle, crunchy oak leaves.

Those old stories about injuns sneaking up on and whomping a deer on the head with a rock are mostly bullcrap. some areas of this country you couldn't sneak up on a scarecrow.

You get a 6 inch layer of that stuff on the ground, and you either step on it or move it, and either way, it is loud.


Fifteen years ago, PETA ordered 25,000 realtree patterned whoopie cushions, and they spent weeks spreading them through the forests in august and september, before the leaves fell and covered them. the plan was for hunters to be stalking through the forest, stepping on whoopie cushions every few minutes, and driving off any game that might be nearby.

The hunters never even noticed them. Isn't that sound heard from one end of the world to the other all through deer season? the deer, on the other hand, enjoyed them. hundreds of hunters reported hormonally challenged bucks standing in the forest, stomping on whoopie cushions and laughing. it must have been just like a week at delta house. the hunters would follow the sound of what they thought to be a flatulent, snorting buck.

The harvest of bucks was phenomenal, although it was mostly the less mature ones brought to the table. peta sued the maker of the whoopie cushions for fraud, because there was no warning label on them relating that deer found fart sounds to be amusing. the case was thrown out with prejudice because, in the judges words,

"this is not a case of protecting the consumer from poor product design or a faulty product. The plaintiff ordered the product with clear intent to use it in a manner not supported by the designers. The packaging instructions clearly state 'people love the classic whoopie cushion!' Omission of labels warning that immature, horny young bucks also like woopie cushions is not to be constituted as either a flaw in product, or deceit."

jimbob86
January 3, 2012, 02:43 PM
the absolute futility of trying to stalk a deer on foot in that layer of brittle, crunchy oak leaves.



The cottonwood, elm and box elder leaves are no less noisy in Nebraskan Novembers ......

Windy days help ..... I have also used a turkey call ..... if you have ever heard a flock of young turkeys approaching in the fall..... a crowd of teenagers full of mountain dew and no-doz would be quieter...... terrain masking..... there are all kinds of tricks......

Art Eatman
January 3, 2012, 04:19 PM
The only time I ever tried to walk up on a buck was on a drizzly day when all the leaves and grass were wet. Being quiet was easy. Got to within about ten feet of him and tossed a small rock onto his rump. Rodeo time! Hair sticking out, eyes rolled back, nose stuck way out in front. I don't think my raucous laughter did much for his nervous system, though. :D But he gave a whole new meaning to the word "acceleration".

Generally, in sneaky-snaking around in woods, the deal is not as much about absolute silence as it is about avoiding being rhythmic in your moving. Critters don't march the way people do. They take a step, nibble, take another step or two, nibble, pause and look around...So, always pause after every two or three steps.

I pause and look down and ahead, quickly figuring where my next three or four steps will go. When I move, I'm not looking at my feet, I'm looking around to see whatever is out there. Don't need to step on rolling rocks or on sticks. Flick a glance, walk, flick a glance, walk. It does take practice, though.

buck460XVR
January 3, 2012, 07:09 PM
Windy days help ..... I have also used a turkey call ..... if you have ever heard a flock of young turkeys approaching in the fall..... a crowd of teenagers full of mountain dew and no-doz would be quieter...... terrain masking..... there are all kinds of tricks......
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yep, one reason I LOVE huntin' in the rain. Hard rain and wind, bucks will lay with the wind to their back towards heavy cover and lookin' out into the open. You got a 50/50 chance of comin' up behind them while workin' crosswind. Sometimes they will look at you like "what the 'ell", as if they can't believe a human would be out in this crap. Other times they will burst like a grouse and if you're lucky, they give you one GOOD quick shot. Crunchy icy snow and leaves, walk the creeks, if it's been cold enough the ice. I like walkin' 3-400 yards behind folks on public land. If they're lost all the better. Bucks will let them pass and then head to where they came from, thinkin' they are safe. Days when those silver dollar size snow flakes are fallin' and the woods is quiet, the big flakes stick to the trees making it difficult for deer to see very far. Those big flakes suck up sound and scent and altho they don't melt on the deers back, their sides and heads stick out like sore thumbs. Blaze orange in a deer's eyes, blends right in. Problem is, days that favor the hunter are few and you gotta be there when they are. Somedays you get lucky, somedays you just get a good days walk.

I'm fortunate. I've got some good private land to hunt with few rules other than safety and being considerate of others there. What you pull the trigger on is your choice and we all share in the feast. I also have plenty of big woods public land close by that in my older years, I never get to see the same trails twice in a season. After opening weekend there are many places I can walk all day and never see another hunter. Many is the day I wish there were more hunters out moving the deer. Problem is, most of those other hunters that once shared those trails with me are now gone. Either dead or hung it up. The new age hunters want to sit in boxes with Mr Heaters over food plots and bait piles and wait for mature bucks instead of trapesin' thru knee deep water just to jump shoot a scrub horn. They can't find their way outta a 20 acre woods without a GPS and a 4 wheeler. They never find next year's stand by followin' someone elses blood trail thru thick cover to a place they've never been before. They'll never know what they're missin'.



Sorry 'bout the rant.

603Country
January 3, 2012, 08:29 PM
Why does it always come back to somebody saying that if you aren't hunting the hard way, then you aren't hunting. Well, I'm not sure what a "new age hunter" really is, but I have a Mr Heater in most of my box blinds. My ladder stands haven't been used in years. I might be an older version of a New Age Hunter, but I've hunted for about 52 years and I earned my stripes the hard way in the first 35 or so years of hunting deer, and I can hunt with my Mr Heater now and feel no shame. My hunting predates 4wheelers and 3wheelers. Way back when, when I walked a mile or a half a mile in Louisiana gumbo mud and shot a deer, I dragged him the same distance back through the same unbelievable mud. And I walked 2 miles down the gravel road just to get to where the mile of mud started. I've had to use my Grandfather's WWII KaBar to chip my backside out of the ice that froze me to the metal topped ladder stand. My first tree stands were just trees. I climbed the tree and sat on a limb. I shot a big Louisiana buck once and dragged him about a mile to the bayou, where I wrestled his dead body into the flat bottom boat, paddled the boat across and dragged him (about 200 pounds) up the other side of the bayou and 1/4 mile to the truck. I've hunted hard in decades past with my Grandfather and my Father and I have the scars and great memories, and by now I think I can sit next to my Mr Heater if I want to. And I love my ATV. And I guess I'm ranting right back at ya, but no offense intended. I'm just happy that I can hunt. This evening was a perfect day. Blue sky. 40 degrees. hardly any wind. Didn't even light the Mr Heater. 5 does out in front of me. Of course the deer season is over, but I was hunting pigs and coyotes.

warbirdlover
January 4, 2012, 06:22 PM
603Country,

I'm with you! I've put in the same hard work for over 50 years dragging deer through swamps, crossing swamps with a frozen sheet of ice on them with the water almost chest high (wadders) in below zero weather. (You've got to try that sometime). I'm old now and tired and the old body is falling apart. I'll sit on my bar stool in my warm box blind and feel no guilt either. And someday so will these guys blabbing about how to hunt. ;)

mapsjanhere
January 4, 2012, 06:52 PM
While I'd love to have your blind for deer season, I can't let this go unchallenged ;)
I don't think it gets to -30º F. in NM does it? Ever have to walk on snow shoes in 3' level snow with 6' drifts? Maybe mountains?

Wisconsin - Highest point Timms Hill 1,951 ft (595 m)
New Mexico - Lowest point Red Bluff Reservoir 2,844 ft (867 m)

Our altitude mean as a state is 5700 feet, aka mile high, so a lot of New Mexico is mountain, gets a lot of snow, and gets cold. So mostly we're lucky for deer season as we typically don't get much early snow. Having said that, this year the northern areas had solid snow cover by Nov. 1st.

603Country
January 4, 2012, 06:57 PM
Warbirdlover, I'll pass on chest high water with ice on top, though I might have been dumb enough to do it when I was in my teens. But I did do dumb things, the worst I ever did was try to take a shortcut home from the blind by wading directly across a slime and algae covered Louisiana slough/swamp at dusk. It was deeper than I thought, and a much slower wade. And I had not considered the alligators. And I forgot my flashlight and my compass. It was pretty much dark when I was half way to the other side, but I finally got there. That was just about the creepiest hour of my life, and I remember thinking that in the worst case nobody would ever find my body.

Anyway...I'm way off topic. And that is a nice blind, though it does look a bit like an upscale south Louisiana Burger joint I once saw, except you don't have much of a parking lot.

warbirdlover
January 4, 2012, 10:45 PM
mapsjanhere, I hear ya on the mountains.

603Country, I wouldn't like wading in alligator swamps with no flashlight or even WITH a flashlight! Of course I wouldn't like walking to my stand (almost a mile) in the dark without a flashlight either because of the wolves and this year a cougar on the land. I was in my 40's when I waded through that ice covered swamp but had been taking Karate for five years under a retired marine sargeant major so was in pretty good shape. Now I'd have a heart attack....

markj
January 5, 2012, 05:39 PM
Warbirdlover, you ride a goldwing? Take pics of war planes? the name is familiar.

buck460XVR
January 8, 2012, 11:41 AM
603Country, warbirdlover....like it or not, hunting in a box, sittin' next to a Mr. Heater IS "new age hunting". Same with sittin' over bait. 45 years years ago there was no such thing as a Mr. Heater, nor did folks build big box stands to sit in. One was lucky to be able to keep their hands warm for an extra hour or two with one of those lighter fluid hand warmers, if you could stand the smell. 45 years ago folks didn't consider baiting ethical, nor was it even legal in most states for hunting deer. I remember in the old days when a "salt lick" was a dirty word in hunting camps. Nowadays comfy hunting blinds with heat and even TV sittin' over a bait pile or food plot is the norm. Gotta pour a coupla gallons of "C'meer Deer" or "Deer CoCain" on the ground just for good measure. While it is still considered hunting for many, if you two really did hunt the way you claim in your "old days", you know it does not compare as far as quality of hunt. It is more of a shoot. IMHO, Hunting is actively seeking your prey....not teaching it to come to you. Have you earned the right to hunt like that? Sure you have, so have I, but it don't mean I don't still try to get in some time hunting the old fashioned way. Us old farts can sit in our plywood boxes and reminisce about wading thru the swamps and catching a buck sleeping on a little patch of highground. Unfortunately many younger hunters will never experience this, as box hunting is all they've ever done. Same is why they can't find their way outta the woods without a GPS, cause they never have had to. Same reason they don't think they can make it into their box 200 yards into the woods without a 4 wheeler. Sheese...... that's a long way to walk, much less drag a deer! Hunting using skills as opposed to bait and high tech feeders and game cams is a lost art to most.....and it's sad. That was my rant.

BIGR
January 8, 2012, 01:12 PM
Warbirdlover, you ride a goldwing? Take pics of war planes? the name is familiar.

No, I think he would ride a Harley.

Back on subject here. buck460XVR, made a good point about how hunting has changed with time. Such as the time most of us older guys just wore blue jeans and the only camo we had at the time was woodland camo. We had climbing tree stands and other than a built wooden ladder stand we had never seen a metal ladder stand. We hunted off of the ground, did alot of walking and we endured the bitter cold. At times our feet got so cold and we swore that we were not hunting the next day. We seemed to forget all about that after it warmed up some or when shot our deer. For the last 2 or 3 years my brother in law and I have been talking about building some box blinds that we can hunt out of, especially on wet and cold days. Well, we have been slack and talk that stuff every year. Seems like when deer season ends we seem to forget about it or get busy down on the farm. I am hoping this year we get some built and maybe later during the deer season we can enjoy a warm dry box blind on a cold rainy day. I might just invest in one of those Mr. Heaters to go in the blind. Somehow all of that seems to be cheating, but I guess we have to change with the times. When we get older I suppose we must make things a little simpler and easier on ourselves. :)

603Country
January 8, 2012, 01:44 PM
Buck460 and BigR do have some good points about hunting the old way and the new way. Still, my 'way' of hunting is basically the same as it was. I've always taken the time to see where the deer are moving to and from, and where the best acorns are (White Oak acorns are sweeter). If I know those things, I'll know where the doe are and that will tell me where the bucks will eventually be. With that information, killing deer is pretty simple. Over the years, I've probably killed 300 or so. Killing one more isn't so very important to me these days, but the hunting part (being in the woods) is time well spent. I hunt on my own place these days, and with the deer movement data I have, I suppose I could sit on a stool or a ladder stand to take the shot, or I could just sit up against a tree. That's what I used to do, and my old camo hunting stool is still in the barn. But, I have box blinds in most of the places where I'd put the stool. And let's face it, a shot from a stool, ladder stand, or from the ground is no more or less of a challenge than a shot from a box blind. So I'll hunt my way and Buck460 can hunt his way. And that statement he made to Warbirdlover and me questioning if we had really done the things we said we did was insulting. I did what I said I did, and I don't see that Warbird and I deserved that cheap shot.:(

TXGunNut
January 8, 2012, 01:49 PM
When I started hunting & camping my tent (rolled up) was about the size of a loaf of bread and all my gear fit nicely in the back of a small car. A couple of dozen years have passed and it takes a full-sized pickup to haul the gear I "need" these days, I'm a big fan of being comfortable even in primitive conditions. I've done very little box blind hunting but after my last hunt I'm a big fan of them. Warm, dry, comfortable concealment is a very good thing.

columbia_shotguneer
January 8, 2012, 02:51 PM
Hunting is not supposed to be uncomfortable unless you make it that way, IMO. These are just a few examples: if it's just too darn uncomfortable for me, I will come out of my stand and head back to camp on my 4 wheeler;). I go hunting alot and have too many better hunts ahead of me in a season. Hunting doesn't have to be a gruesome, unbearable, miseable time, I choose to enjoy my hunting time. The thing about hunting is to have fun, have all the best things to enjoy your hunt and spending time with the outdoors, with friends and family being safe is most important. Before someone may rant, how many of these superhunters have hunted without a scope? I can remember when I killed many of deer walking with just a lever action 30-30 with iron sights running full blast through palmettos out to 150 yards, maybe I was lucky hitting them in the vitals almost every shot but I can say I don't miss them days one bit, haha. I enjoy my box stand with a heater and a interesting new hunting magazine to read much better, oh and I have a scope now that I like on my high powered hunting rifle, I am not embarrassed, I've done well over the years with been there and do something easier now. On a further note: I do like walking nowadays with a beaded shotgun loaded with buckshot if I get the urge, brings back old memories, but I know that is limited to a close range event.

warbirdlover
January 8, 2012, 09:09 PM
Warbirdlover, you ride a goldwing? Take pics of war planes? the name is familiar.

No, I love WWII fighter planes. My father-in-law (deceased) flew P-38's in the Pacific theatre in WWII and I used to design and sell them for use in Microsoft's Flight Simulator 2004. Here's a couple I built along with our team. The guy who paints them is from Crete, Greece. The guy that makes the flight model is in the aerospace industry. The guy that makes the sounds is an acoustical engineer for Caterpillar. I did the Cad model and animated it. The Aerospace guy designed and animated the P-51. Also made a website in honor of my FIL....

http://secure.simmarket.com/cwdt-f6f-hellcat.phtml

http://secure.simmarket.com/cwdt-the-westland-whirlwind.phtml

http://secure.simmarket.com/cwdt-p-51d-mustang.phtml

http://www.members.tripod.com/warbirdlover/index.htm

homesick
January 9, 2012, 08:54 AM
Warbird I think your stand is awesome your kids have shown you no respect LOL!
I have hunted Minn. for 45 plus years and the hunting has changed, We used to still hunt / make drives / etc. now you can't do that. The no trespass laws / along with leases / and posted land have put a halt to all that. So now we too sit in stands its just the way it is. At this time in my life I don't think I could make it thru some of the swamps we used to hunt.
I have hunted the western states and it is very different hunting there compared to the woods hunting. We used to hunt Montana on 20,000 plus acres for a bottle of JD and a roll of snuff. Now that rancher wants a grand to hunt his land. Times have changed for sure.
We (wife) drove thru Wis this fall on my way hunting my gosh for road kills , I could not believe it, we stopped counting around 50.
:D THE ONLY WAY TO GAIN RESPECT FROM YOUR KIDS IS CUT THEM OUT OF YOUR WILL:D

warbirdlover
January 9, 2012, 12:36 PM
I have nothing to put in a will, and they know it!! :D

shortwave
January 9, 2012, 11:50 PM
^^^ Ooooh, but you do^^^

That fine stand. ;):D

Art Eatman
January 10, 2012, 10:32 AM
I go wandering along, sneaky-snaking, and decide to sit for a while on a hillside, backed up to a boulder, a tree or some brush. How is that different from climbing up into a tree, whether or not there is a stand in the tree? Or different from climbing into a box blind to watch for a while?

But if I'm in country where sneaky-snaking is well-nigh impossible--and there are several million acres of that, just in Texas, much less Florida--why should I not opt for comfort?

I've never understood the apparent belief on the part of some people that extreme discomfort or hardship somehow gets one closer to God. :D I'll refrain from pointing out that avoidance of comfort might well be related to a lack of intellectual competence. :D:D:D

More coffee...

603Country
January 10, 2012, 12:06 PM
Maybe the hard core guys are like my much respected cousin. He was a rifle hunter for many years, but it got too easy for him, so he got longer range rifles and shot deer from further away. That lost its charm eventually and he went to blackpowder hunting. Then on to bow hunting, where he is now. When I see him up a tree, buck nekkid, with a spear, I'll know that he has finally gone nuts. He is a great hunter.

shortwave
January 10, 2012, 08:32 PM
I'll refrain from pointing out that avoidance of comfort might well be the lack of intellectual competence

Kinda like riding your motorcycle every day back and forth to work all winter long in 10 to 20 degree weather, freezing in the sleet and snow when you have a nice, warm car setting in the garage right next to the bike. Just so you could say you did it. :rolleyes:

Guess who used to do that many years ago? :o

I don't think freezing to death made me any more of a motorcycle rider than what I am today, a decent weather rider.
Just maybe, a little smarter...
....but to some today, I'm sure I'm not considered 'a true bike rider'.

A couple younger guys I often ride with will call me up in the middle of a torrential downpour and want to go riding.
When I tell them, "No, if I'm out on the bike and it starts raining, that's one thing, but I'm not gonna blast off from the house in the rain". They tell me, I'm nothing but a fair weather rider.

But they both know I have more miles backing bikes up then they have traveling time. ;)

johnwilliamson062
January 10, 2012, 08:38 PM
I think it looks great. I am thinking about building one myself. Probably smaller with bigger/lower windows so I can sit in it.
I got my first deer outside a drive Saturday from a chair blind. First time I hunted from it. I was warm, could move my arms without worrying about movement, and very comfortable. I am done with the other gimmicks, blinds for me from now on.

I may get one that is a little bigger.
...And a buddy heater :)

shortwave
January 10, 2012, 09:26 PM
I may get one that is a little bigger.
...And a buddy heater :)

Me too!
I will also add an attached 'garage' sort of construction to it. Gotta park the quad somewhere. :D

warbirdlover
January 10, 2012, 11:24 PM
The windows are high but I sit in my stand. I've got a swiveling barstool with a footrest and is very comfortable. I put the windows high so I could shoot sitting or standing. That was my "plan"... :p