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.300 Weatherby Mag
November 26, 2011, 11:04 PM
So I shot with TheKlawMan and his new Browning today, his clay destruction rate has already doubled over what it was with the 870... I think we're creating a clay busting monster!!!

P.S.

Congrats Rich!! Nice Gun!!

JiminTexas
November 26, 2011, 11:46 PM
You say you want a monster? You say that you want to pay less than $300 for it? Go to gunbroker and buy a used Mossburg model 535 rifled barrel shotgun (they have 3 1/2" chambers!!) and stuff it with Lightfield 3 1/2" Commander IDS Plus sabot 1 3/8oz. (that's 600 Gr. !) slugs. They fly at 1900 fps and they produce 4809 fps of energy at the muzzle. Midway sells these shells. Hang on to your fillings when you pull the trigger.

TheKlawMan
November 27, 2011, 01:29 AM
When you are at the bottom of a deep pit, call it a well, it is easy to improve. What Zippy calls a steep learning curve. What Weatherby isn't saying is that I have a nasty habit that was harmless when shooting the 870. About once per box I will forget to release the trigger to set the next barrel.

Today was encouraging. I think I may be able to groove that XS Skeet much faster than I thought. It may also have helped that I shot a full flat since Wednesday.

Slugo
November 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
for what? A boat paddle maybe! ;)

JiminTexas
November 27, 2011, 02:11 PM
My, my Big Jim, aren't we getting elitist!! Is it that if it doesn't cost at least $1000 it isn't worth showing off at the gun club? Some of us take the shooting sports as just that, a sport, and we get a lot of satisfaction from shooting our "cheapo" guns.

Dave McC
November 27, 2011, 05:06 PM
".... a flat since Wednesday..."

Repeat frequently.....

TheKlawMan
November 27, 2011, 08:10 PM
My, my Big Jim, aren't we getting elitist!! Is it that if it doesn't cost at least $1000 it isn't worth showing off at the gun club? Some of us take the shooting sports as just that, a sport, and we get a lot of satisfaction from shooting our "cheapo" guns.

BigJimP is anything but Elitist. While all the guys, especially Zippy13, Dave McC, Oneounce, Weatherby, and Jim, helped me a lot with my 870 Express, BigJimP spent an awful lot of time trying to help me figure the Remington out. While it is really not a Clays gun, he suggested inexpensive ways to make it more sutiable for Trap, if I wanted to spend more he suggested some relatively inexpensive semis, but if I could budget for an O/U he suggested the Citori XS Skeet for me to use as an all around clays gun.

Perhaps you confused Slugo for BigJim.

TheKlawMan
November 27, 2011, 08:28 PM
. a flat since Wednesday..."

Repeat frequently.....

Not too frequently, Dave. Even if the budget allowed it I don't know if this wimpy body will. I am giving both a rest for about a week and scheduling time on the patterning board (with a full choke Jim) to check POI to POA. Judging how Weatherby was smoking the Skeet targers with it, I think both barrels are pretty nicley regulated.

oneounceload
November 27, 2011, 08:39 PM
You start reloading light 7/8 or even 3/4 oz loads for skeet and your shooting shoulder will thank you, and the lower costs will allow you more shooting for he same money

TheKlawMan
November 27, 2011, 09:26 PM
Actually I was mainly shooting 7/8, but some were 1 oz. I am chalking it up to firing double what I am used to doing. Still, I may try some 3/4 for skeet and stick with the 7/8 for trap.

.300 Weatherby Mag
November 27, 2011, 10:11 PM
Judging how Weatherby was smoking the Skeet targers with it, I think both barrels are pretty nicley regulated.

:D

Absolutely nothing is wrong with the POI on your gun....

columbia_shotguneer
November 27, 2011, 10:47 PM
BigJim is not here anymore? I miss the WD 40 guy!

zippy13
November 28, 2011, 01:09 AM
BigJim is around, he just hasn't posted in this thread, yet. I'm surprised he's being called an elitist in abstentia. I don't have a clue about WD 40.

K-Law, my friend, releasing the trigger, between shots with an O/U shooting doubles, is part of that really steep learning curve. ;)

JiminTexas
November 28, 2011, 01:17 AM
Klawman, you are exactly right. I was having a "senior moment" there and confusing BigJimP with Slugo. My most sincere apologies to BigJimP and any others that were offended by my remarks to BigJimP. I should have addressed them to Slugo.

TheKlawMan
November 28, 2011, 02:08 AM
Zippy, Are you saying that simply releasing the trigger is supposed to be difficult? I figured I was just being a clutz, like when I tried to pull the slide on my 870 when I was supposed to pull the trigger. I think I have to rewire what passes for my brain. Actually, if I only remember to release the trigger, I think doubles are easier than singles.

(I edited this after it dawned on me what Zippy was saying; that learning to release the trigger is so very basic that any body should get used to it soon. I agree with him. The first time it happened I should have figured out not to do it again. Next time I try skeet I will see if my finger can do such a simple thing as to release the trigger.)

TheKlawMan
November 28, 2011, 03:55 AM
That's okay JiminTexas. As another Jim you should know how sensitive Jims can be and those of his that know of BigJims battle with rhoids want to shield him tender feelings from needless aggravation. (By way of disclosure I have to admit to being a James by way of middle names.)

zippy13
November 28, 2011, 12:57 PM
Zippy, Are you saying that simply releasing the trigger is supposed to be difficult?

On the contrary, it should be easily learned -- that's what makes the curve steep. Other things, like minutely adjusting your hold point at 27-yards because of a breeze, take a lot longer to figure out.

BigJimP
November 28, 2011, 05:13 PM
Well, I'm glad to hear he's doing a lot better weatherby ..../ and the Browning Citori XS Skeet he bought is a nice gun !

My word / I'm getting smacked ...and I wasn't even here ....I've actually had to work today for a change ....:confused: ...but ok / thanks for the comments guys ...and yes, in general, for the record - I think you can shoot whatever gun you want to shoot for "casual clay taraget shooting" .../ the trick is making the gun "fit" you well enough to have some fun / and break some targets.

You don't need a $ 3,000 Browning O/U to shoot clays ...unless you're goals are to get into serious competitions on a state or zone level where a couple of targets is the difference between the bottom 10% and seriously competing in the top 10%......and then, a Browning O/U, like the Citori XS Skeet that klawman bought ( and I own a few of them too ) is probably an entry level gun ...a solid gun / but not as good a gun as Perazzi, Blaser, Kolar or Krieghoff in my opinion. But everybody should buy and shoot whatever they want ...

I'm happy that klawman is having some fun ....and somebody like weatherby is there to cousel him a little.../ with some training, I hope his scores are up in the 18 - 21 average range before long !!

BigJimP
November 28, 2011, 07:18 PM
Weatherby deserves a big round of applause ....he's doing all the heavy lifting ...trying to keep the klawman on track ... ( it can't be easy ...) ...
:D

.....( and don't let him get too close to the edge / he might jump ...)....

TheKlawMan
November 28, 2011, 10:36 PM
Forget everything I said about big guys having feelings.:D:D

Seriously, it was bugging me that my left shoulder was hurting as well as my right wrist until I went to reload 5 boxes and I remembered the other time I reloaded several boxes in a short period. I simply have to pull the lever with both hands and/or get an extended lever.

Slugo
November 29, 2011, 03:17 AM
why drink cheap wine and spirits, they just make you sick... :rolleyes:

BigJimP
November 29, 2011, 04:15 PM
Sore shoulder and wrist from operating a loader....after only 5 boxes ..."come on man ..." ...:D :D

http://www.mecreloaders.com/ProductLine/9000.asp

...note the "no handle" line of loaders from MEC in the 9000-HN machines ...( its operated by an elec motor and a hydraulic pump ) ..and a foot pedal ...and loading 5 boxes takes about 15 min ( even my 20 yr old grandson can do it ....when he's got 90 other things on his young mind) ...and I didn't make him do it / he voluntered...

now that you've finally invested in a solid new gun ....ask santa for a decent loader there buddy ... ( sore shoulder and wrist .../ that's a little wimpy there man .... and remember to put sun screen on, so you don't sunburn your toes between your flip flops when you're out shooting) ...not sensitive .../ I can be sensitive ...well maybe not ...but I will promise to try ...maybe ...

hogdogs
November 29, 2011, 07:08 PM
I will ask santa for the old reloader if you ask santa for a handy dandy world-wide electrified hydro powered unit...

Brent

TheKlawMan
November 29, 2011, 08:17 PM
Hey BigJim. You have to appreciate the risks of sun burn we put up with in South Cali. Today was slighly overcast for once and I risked shooting hatless. To make it worse we have to put up with all those young women in short shorts.

As for the loader, a new extended handle is going on my Xmas list. I think they run around $20 and I try to ask for things the kids can afford.
As for anything expensive, the gun is a combination Xmas and B-Day gift to me.

zippy13
November 29, 2011, 08:23 PM
As for the loader, a new extended handle is going on my Xmas list.
All of my Mecs have had the big wood handle for so long, I'd forgotten they weren't standard. Yes, the extended handles are great and a lot less than Big Jim's hydro units.

TheKlawMan
November 29, 2011, 08:26 PM
Why is it that some kind of apparatus for the cure of erectile dysfynction comes to mind when sensitive big guys talk about their advanced laser controlled electro/hydraulic reloading systems with pneumatic auto functions. Warp speed, Scotty!

.300 Weatherby Mag
November 29, 2011, 08:29 PM
I don't know about all the high tech reloading machines... But shooting was fun today.. Thanks for coming out KlawMan...

TheKlawMan
November 29, 2011, 11:27 PM
I wish I had stayed with you and yours, Weatherby, but I did get some good practice in on a Trap field I had all to myself.

BigJimP
November 30, 2011, 12:25 PM
Hey now ......the old guy ....with the biggest gun collection / and the coolest shop ( with all the toys ...) ....is the coolest grandpa on the block ..!!

Its good to have dreams klawman ....good to have dreams...

zippy13
November 30, 2011, 01:58 PM
K-Law, the first 4-gun hydro Mec set up I ever saw belonged to All-American/Hall-of-Fame Skeet shooter Grey Silva. He was a diminutive man and almost 80 years old at the time -- not quite out of the Big Jim mould. ;)

Grey was one of Skeet's true gentlemen and I consider myself fortunate to have known him. He was at the club shooting every day. One of the members fondly commented, "When does he find time to reload?" Perhaps Grey's hydro system made his high volume shooting possible.

TheKlawMan
November 30, 2011, 02:38 PM
I am just funning BigJim. If I start shooting much more I am going to wish I went with a Grabber lilke he suggested. For now, I want a handle like on the beer tap behind a nice bar.

zippy13
November 30, 2011, 03:05 PM
For now, I want a handle like on the beer tap behind a nice bar.
Sounds reasonable!

BigJimP
November 30, 2011, 03:36 PM
I know you were Klawman ....

I'm just happy to be the "coolest grandpa around" for awhile ...at least when it comes to guns, reloading, and woodworking .../ of course with my wife feeding them and letting them do their laundry here ...she's probably cooler than I am ...but a guy can dream....

TheKlawMan
November 30, 2011, 04:13 PM
Hey BigJim. When you are in college getting Mom or GM to do the laundry is the best, but who says you can't do it? You might like prancing around in a laundry apron (that mean over your regular clothes; not by itself (disregarding boundaries of decency, those bleach stains can really hurt).

TheKlawMan
November 30, 2011, 04:14 PM
Zippy. What is more reasonable if the handle is attached to a beer keg under the loading bench.

BigJimP
November 30, 2011, 04:47 PM
reminds me to send weatherby a note ...to smack you when you're not looking .../ just for general reasons...! ---- to get you back in focus !

.300 Weatherby Mag
December 1, 2011, 01:13 AM
reminds me to send weatherby a note ...to smack you when you're not looking .../ just for general reasons...! ---- to get you back in focus !

:D


I think the more wise thing to do would be to have KlawMan smack me when I blow a straight by missing an easy target...